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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 5, 2024 18:56:41 GMT -7
Well if that doesn't work, I'm thinking perhaps William Nylander for Markstrom and a 2nd. I can't see any way that Toronto would make that trade. They already have their future starter in Woll, they also have Samsonov, Jones, Murray, and Hildeby. IF that trade happens, one of their goaltenders is going back to Calgary. But that being said, Nylander for Markstrom is a no way no how sort of wishful thinking IMO even with that second. Nylander is a hundred point player, and has been over an average PPG player for the last 5 seasons. You don't move that just to get an average at best starting goaltender when you already have one. At the bare minimum Calgary would have to throw in a first and a prospect as well. After watching these 2 videos of the Leafs loss on the game winning goal, I'm not sure I want either Marner or Nylander now. www.habsfanatics.com/nhl-team/toronto-maple-leafs/video-surfaces-proving-marner-and-nylander-caused-the-leafs-ot-loss
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Post by Bronco73 on May 5, 2024 19:11:14 GMT -7
I can't see any way that Toronto would make that trade. They already have their future starter in Woll, they also have Samsonov, Jones, Murray, and Hildeby. IF that trade happens, one of their goaltenders is going back to Calgary. But that being said, Nylander for Markstrom is a no way no how sort of wishful thinking IMO even with that second. Nylander is a hundred point player, and has been over an average PPG player for the last 5 seasons. You don't move that just to get an average at best starting goaltender when you already have one. At the bare minimum Calgary would have to throw in a first and a prospect as well. After watching these 2 videos of the Leafs loss on the game winning goal, I'm not sure I want either Marner or Nylander now. www.habsfanatics.com/nhl-team/toronto-maple-leafs/video-surfaces-proving-marner-and-nylander-caused-the-leafs-ot-loss true, but that will have zero effect on what Toronto WANTS for Nylander. A middle of the pack goalie and a second round pick frankly will not be any where near enough.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 6, 2024 4:20:42 GMT -7
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Post by drtaf on May 6, 2024 7:52:21 GMT -7
true, but that will have zero effect on what Toronto WANTS for Nylander. A middle of the pack goalie and a second round pick frankly will not be any where near enough. If Leafs are smart, they try to offload Marner and Tavares. Nylander just signed and at least "shows up" most of time in playoffs. Matthews also just signed and wont be going anywhere anyway, unless there was something more to the 2-game hiatus? Reilly is simply not anywhere near as good as Leafs fans make him to be and should be their 3-4th D-man not #1. I imagine Tre is at least smart enough to know this, but knowing and executing are 2 different things? If Tre can pull off a "Hall for Larsson" trade with Marner and whomever, he'll be doing well, but remember oilers wanted to trade Hall for Subban and also Ceci as well so leafs fans may want to be careful what they wish for?
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Post by Bronco73 on May 6, 2024 15:06:57 GMT -7
true, but that will have zero effect on what Toronto WANTS for Nylander. A middle of the pack goalie and a second round pick frankly will not be any where near enough. If Leafs are smart, they try to offload Marner and Tavares. Nylander just signed and at least "shows up" most of time in playoffs. Matthews also just signed and wont be going anywhere anyway, unless there was something more to the 2-game hiatus? Reilly is simply not anywhere near as good as Leafs fans make him to be and should be their 3-4th D-man not #1. I imagine Tre is at least smart enough to know this, but knowing and executing are 2 different things? If Tre can pull off a "Hall for Larsson" trade with Marner and whomever, he'll be doing well, but remember oilers wanted to trade Hall for Subban and also Ceci as well so leafs fans may want to be careful what they wish for? Oh that's the plan. Marner is the whipping boy and Tavares is the overpriced "steal" that they won from the Islanders. The only problem is that they are both lavishing in 11 million dollar deals (and we thought we had it bad with Darnel). They are going to have to pull off some more Patrick Marleau type magic to move those guys out. Either way you look at it, I can't see Toronto winning any trade involving Marner or Tavares.
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Post by mrtea on May 6, 2024 16:58:22 GMT -7
If Leafs are smart, they try to offload Marner and Tavares. Nylander just signed and at least "shows up" most of time in playoffs. Matthews also just signed and wont be going anywhere anyway, unless there was something more to the 2-game hiatus? Reilly is simply not anywhere near as good as Leafs fans make him to be and should be their 3-4th D-man not #1. I imagine Tre is at least smart enough to know this, but knowing and executing are 2 different things? If Tre can pull off a "Hall for Larsson" trade with Marner and whomever, he'll be doing well, but remember oilers wanted to trade Hall for Subban and also Ceci as well so leafs fans may want to be careful what they wish for? Oh that's the plan. Marner is the whipping boy and Tavares is the overpriced "steal" that they won from the Islanders. The only problem is that they are both lavishing in 11 million dollar deals (and we thought we had it bad with Darnel). They are going to have to pull off some more Patrick Marleau type magic to move those guys out. Either way you look at it, I can't see Toronto winning any trade involving Marner or Tavares. To me when it is all said and done and the dust has finally settled, Marner is a very good player who will help whatever team he goes to and it will go down as another Hyman type loss. Marner loves it in Toronto and wants to stay and I think the Leafs should keep him and trade Tavares or yes even Mathews first. I don't think Mathews wants to stay forever in T.O., I think he'll bolt at free agency going back to the good ol' USA. If I was Toronto I'd trade him for a boatload and keep Marner if I could. To me that big circus at the end of the season chasing 70 and putting the team last and then the no show for games 5 and 6 for a weird hit was not Hart trophy material. The Leafs won the 2 games he was out and lost again when he came back, that's not the type of game changing player I'm looking for.
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Post by Bronco73 on May 6, 2024 17:01:26 GMT -7
Oh that's the plan. Marner is the whipping boy and Tavares is the overpriced "steal" that they won from the Islanders. The only problem is that they are both lavishing in 11 million dollar deals (and we thought we had it bad with Darnel). They are going to have to pull off some more Patrick Marleau type magic to move those guys out. Either way you look at it, I can't see Toronto winning any trade involving Marner or Tavares. To me when it is all said and done and the dust has finally settled, Marner is a very good player who will help whatever team he goes to and it will go down as another Hyman type loss. Marner loves it in Toronto and wants to stay and I think the Leafs should keep him and trade Tavares or yes even Mathews first. I don't think Mathews wants to stay forever in T.O., I think he'll bolt at free agency going back to the good ol' USA. If I was Toronto I'd trade him for a boatload and keep Marner if I could. To me that big circus at the end of the season chasing 70 and putting the team last and then the no show for games 5 and 6 for a weird hit was not Hart trophy material. The Leafs won the 2 games he was out and lost again when he came back, that's not the type of game changing player I'm looking for. the difference though is Hyman is an 8 million dollar player getting paid 5.5, Marner is an 8 million dollar player getting paid 11. There are not a lot of teams willing to take that much of a cap hit on.
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Post by mrtea on May 6, 2024 17:06:30 GMT -7
To me when it is all said and done and the dust has finally settled, Marner is a very good player who will help whatever team he goes to and it will go down as another Hyman type loss. Marner loves it in Toronto and wants to stay and I think the Leafs should keep him and trade Tavares or yes even Mathews first. I don't think Mathews wants to stay forever in T.O., I think he'll bolt at free agency going back to the good ol' USA. If I was Toronto I'd trade him for a boatload and keep Marner if I could. To me that big circus at the end of the season chasing 70 and putting the team last and then the no show for games 5 and 6 for a weird hit was not Hart trophy material. The Leafs won the 2 games he was out and lost again when he came back, that's not the type of game changing player I'm looking for. the difference though is Hyman is an 8 million dollar player getting paid 5.5, Marner is an 8 million dollar player getting paid 11. There are not a lot of teams willing to take that much of a cap hit on. In today's market and with the cap supposed to be going up someone will take him and he's not far from free agency, he'll get 12 or more when the time comes. There's a lot of teams that would like to add him to their rosters.
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Post by Bronco73 on May 6, 2024 17:24:36 GMT -7
the difference though is Hyman is an 8 million dollar player getting paid 5.5, Marner is an 8 million dollar player getting paid 11. There are not a lot of teams willing to take that much of a cap hit on. In today's market and with the cap supposed to be going up someone will take him and he's not far from free agency, he'll get 12 or more when the time comes. There's a lot of teams that would like to add him to their rosters. He's been a whipping boy all season (and then some), criticized for underperformance and lack of interest, getting paid 11 million dollars with a full No Movement Clause. Maybe somebody will take him, but it will have to be a team he agrees to and he's already stated that he wants to stay in Toronto.. Instantly you've eliminated 22 out of 32 teams and scared off 10 more. He will want to go to a contender, and there isn't a contender in the league that can take on an 11 million dollar contract without massive concessions going the other way. So, IF Toronto can find a suitor, and IF Marner agrees to the trade, and IF the other team can even afford to take on his contract then yes, he could be traded. But, Toronto will likely have to take on an albatross contract in return rendering the trade pointless from a Toronto standpoint. Unless they retain a huge amount of Marners contract which makes them less likely to get a replacement player of Marners talent. Either way it's a lose situation for Toronto, which renders any possible trade incredibly difficult IMO. And I agree with you, he's very good and probably Toronto's most important player. If you ask me Toronto is better off NOT trading him or even risking the animosity by trying to. there are many other roster moves that would be smarter options for Toronto
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Post by drtaf on May 7, 2024 8:17:50 GMT -7
If Leafs are smart, they try to offload Marner and Tavares. Nylander just signed and at least "shows up" most of time in playoffs. Matthews also just signed and wont be going anywhere anyway, unless there was something more to the 2-game hiatus? Reilly is simply not anywhere near as good as Leafs fans make him to be and should be their 3-4th D-man not #1. I imagine Tre is at least smart enough to know this, but knowing and executing are 2 different things? If Tre can pull off a "Hall for Larsson" trade with Marner and whomever, he'll be doing well, but remember oilers wanted to trade Hall for Subban and also Ceci as well so leafs fans may want to be careful what they wish for? Oh that's the plan. Marner is the whipping boy and Tavares is the overpriced "steal" that they won from the Islanders. The only problem is that they are both lavishing in 11 million dollar deals (and we thought we had it bad with Darnel). They are going to have to pull off some more Patrick Marleau type magic to move those guys out. Either way you look at it, I can't see Toronto winning any trade involving Marner or Tavares. You know that "Marleau magic" they pulled off turned into Seth Jarvis for the Canes? So yeah, I hope they pull another "deal like that
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 14, 2024 8:27:48 GMT -7
He must be flattered to be mentioned in the same breath as M. Tkachuck or Marchand. I think he's got that rat style of playing on the edge, but the skill isn't up to the other 2 players.
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Post by AlwaysOil on May 14, 2024 22:39:53 GMT -7
Marner doesn’t do well in the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a ton of value for a team that didn’t even make the playoffs.
Marner’s biggest weakness imo is his arrogance/immaturity/delusionalness. Difference between McKinnon saying “I haven’t won Mangiapane” and Marner “We’re like gods”. He’s young and has time to figure that out and maybe how to play in the playoffs, too.
Probably a good fit in Pittsburgh. They need someone to replace Guentzal.
I can see a high possibility of Marner not waiving his NMC.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 16, 2024 17:03:48 GMT -7
Marner doesn’t do well in the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a ton of value for a team that didn’t even make the playoffs. Marner’s biggest weakness imo is his arrogance/immaturity/delusionalness. Difference between McKinnon saying “I haven’t won Mangiapane” and Marner “We’re like gods”. He’s young and has time to figure that out and maybe how to play in the playoffs, too. Probably a good fit in Pittsburgh. They need someone to replace Guentzal. I can see a high possibility of Marner not waiving his NMC. If the crowd turns on him, I could see him waiving if he has some say on where he's going. Crosby could teach him a thing or 2 about defense.
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Post by AlwaysOil on May 16, 2024 18:29:35 GMT -7
Marner doesn’t do well in the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a ton of value for a team that didn’t even make the playoffs. Marner’s biggest weakness imo is his arrogance/immaturity/delusionalness. Difference between McKinnon saying “I haven’t won Mangiapane” and Marner “We’re like gods”. He’s young and has time to figure that out and maybe how to play in the playoffs, too. Probably a good fit in Pittsburgh. They need someone to replace Guentzal. I can see a high possibility of Marner not waiving his NMC. If the crowd turns on him, I could see him waiving if he has some say on where he's going. Crosby could teach him a thing or 2 about defense. Agree 100% but I don’t think he will waive until he gets booed. If they try to move him this summer I think he still believes hes like a god to leaf fans. Maybe social media will change his mind before training camp, but I will not be surprised to see him there.
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