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Post by neufab94 on Dec 12, 2019 19:39:35 GMT -7
That pretty much describes the Edmonton Oilers lately... 2 on 1 Oilers and they choose to pass and the pass gets blocked... Wild on a 2 on 1 and Parise shoots and scores... WTF take a clue!
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 12, 2019 19:52:41 GMT -7
That pretty much describes the Edmonton Oilers lately... 2 on 1 Oilers and they choose to pass and the pass gets blocked... Wild on a 2 on 1 and Parise shoots and scores... WTF take a clue! That's the way I see it; it's hard enough to get in a position where you have the option to get a decent shot from the slot in the first place.
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Post by rapiershot on Dec 13, 2019 12:08:07 GMT -7
The current "slump" was expected. From the start of the season, we knew we had questionable forward depth (which has proven to be the case) and unsure what to expect from the goal-tending (we're struggling here).
The early games were highlighted by very good D-zone play and good O-zone pressure, backed by good goal-tending. Our special teams numbers were great. Now we're slipping in all those areas.
And...Holland isn't going to rob the Condors (bringing up players he only needs to), and the league isn't offering us good player trades (surprise).
IMO, the Oilers need to rebuild their D-zone efforts first. This could improve our transition game (giving our wobbly forwards some advantage) and reduce our giving up good scoring chances. Get back to the early season play - 5 man commitments with hustle and purpose. Right now, we're mostly seeing poor D-zone play and coverage....on their heels...and throwing up pucks. If we can change that and keep it effective, we can move onto the PP and PK tune-ups.
We're not done yet, but we're a team that could be if we play the wrong way.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 13, 2019 12:27:47 GMT -7
Not just you telly, but almost everyone include the "experts" on TV are consistently going on about the Oilers need more depth scoring...……….I have a different view point. In the Pacific Division the Oilers are second best scorers with 100, only Vancouver has scored more, but the Oilers have conceded more goals than five of the other teams, ie we have the 6th best defence in an 8 team division. My viewpoint is that we need more depth defending, not necessarily more depth scoring. A potential goal against being prevented, has the same value as a goal actually scored, and that can't be debated.To me we are still very loose at the back, I still see way many times 3 opposition players (sometimes 4) heading to our goal with only a couple of Oiler players placed in a position to do anything about it. Don't know what has happened to the five back and five forward strategy, but it takes way too long for the Oilers to get five men back, and we still have way too much puck watching, ie RNH last night stood behind the net, lets his player go and in the back of our net in a couple of seconds (can't recall which goal it was, does it matter?). There has been a lot of talk about going in for scoring forwards, ie Hall & Toffoli, biggish names that probably won't contribute any more to our defence than the top six players we already have. I think if we are looking at free agents, we should re-direct our attention to someone like (not necessarily this guy but someone similar) Pietrangelo of St Louis. To fund such a move I would be shipping out Kris Russell and one of Larsson or Nurse...……...yep, Larsson or Nurse. We have several good young defencemen ready to hopefully emulate Ethan Bear, and to me, Nurse is way over rated, and Larsson certainly not irreplaceable, especially if we can get a top class defender as mentioned in. In the 26 years I have been watching the Oilers, the only really top defender that could do everything required was Chris Pronger, and look at what happened that year. We are spending too much at one end of the ice and we do not have enough quality at the other end...……….fact! I agree, no debate here. To add, good defenders come a lot cheaper than good scorers. I would say the team defence (for want of better words) v the Wild last night was verging on the worst I have seen from the Oilers, certainly this season. The number or times that there were more green shirts than white bounding towards our goal was unbelievable. No wonder we conceded 6. Forget the "more depth scoring pleading" and bring in some players who understand the concept of defensive awareness, whether they be defenders or forwards. I am beginning to see more goals go in whilst either McDavid or Draisaitl just appear in the picture. And what was Caleb Jones doing just watching the player score that 5th or was it 6th goal? The other night v Carolina it was RNH doing much the same. Don't watch the puck, take the man for crying out loud. There is clearly something wrong with our defensive nous when we are joint top scorers in the Pacific Division but have a Goal Differential of...…..zero. Scored 105, conceded 105. Yet even today Brian Burke was still going on about depth scoring needed in Edmonton. We are scoring 3.08 per game, yet we need more depth scoring? ? What we really need is some defensive responsibility, and that means in the opposition end of the ice also, not just at our end. Oh, and the odd save may come in handy also, especially from Mr Smith.
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 13, 2019 14:32:50 GMT -7
I agree, no debate here. To add, good defenders come a lot cheaper than good scorers. I would say the team defence (for want of better words) v the Wild last night was verging on the worst I have seen from the Oilers, certainly this season. The number or times that there were more green shirts than white bounding towards our goal was unbelievable. No wonder we conceded 6. Forget the "more depth scoring pleading" and bring in some players who understand the concept of defensive awareness, whether they be defenders or forwards. I am beginning to see more goals go in whilst either McDavid or Draisaitl just appear in the picture. And what was Caleb Jones doing just watching the player score that 5th or was it 6th goal? The other night v Carolina it was RNH doing much the same. Don't watch the puck, take the man for crying out loud. There is clearly something wrong with our defensive nous when we are joint top scorers in the Pacific Division but have a Goal Differential of...…..zero. Scored 105, conceded 105. Yet even today Brian Burke was still going on about depth scoring needed in Edmonton. We are scoring 3.08 per game, yet we need more depth scoring? ? What we really need is some defensive responsibility, and that means in the opposition end of the ice also, not just at our end. Oh, and the odd save may come in handy also, especially from Mr Smith. All true. I saw that this morning also. 105 - 105? That is absolutely crazy. Something is very wrong that I trust Holland and Tip are recognizing and are seeking to address.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Dec 13, 2019 15:18:54 GMT -7
I would say the team defence (for want of better words) v the Wild last night was verging on the worst I have seen from the Oilers, certainly this season. The number or times that there were more green shirts than white bounding towards our goal was unbelievable. No wonder we conceded 6. Forget the "more depth scoring pleading" and bring in some players who understand the concept of defensive awareness, whether they be defenders or forwards. I am beginning to see more goals go in whilst either McDavid or Draisaitl just appear in the picture. And what was Caleb Jones doing just watching the player score that 5th or was it 6th goal? The other night v Carolina it was RNH doing much the same. Don't watch the puck, take the man for crying out loud. There is clearly something wrong with our defensive nous when we are joint top scorers in the Pacific Division but have a Goal Differential of...…..zero. Scored 105, conceded 105. Yet even today Brian Burke was still going on about depth scoring needed in Edmonton. We are scoring 3.08 per game, yet we need more depth scoring? ? What we really need is some defensive responsibility, and that means in the opposition end of the ice also, not just at our end. Oh, and the odd save may come in handy also, especially from Mr Smith. All true. I saw that this morning also. 105 - 105? That is absolutely crazy. Something is very wrong that I trust Holland and Tip are recognizing and are seeking to address. When I take a quick glance at the Oilers stats, the ice time is glaring. Oilers best players are likely getting tired. Average ice time for McD and Drai is 22 minutes a game, Klef is a crazy 25 minutes a game and a minus 18, Nurse is way up there too. Coaching staff needs to take a chance on the rest of the team at some point.
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 13, 2019 15:24:06 GMT -7
All true. I saw that this morning also. 105 - 105? That is absolutely crazy. Something is very wrong that I trust Holland and Tip are recognizing and are seeking to address. When I take a quick glance at the Oilers stats, the ice time is glaring. Oilers best players are likely getting tired. Average ice time for McD and Drai is 22 minutes a game, Klef is a crazy 25 minutes a game and a minus 18, Nurse is way up there too. Coaching staff needs to take a chance on the rest of the team at some point. Problem with the rest of the team is the drop off is dramatic. Still, there's no other way. Either you play the whole team and pretty much become a bottom feeder to middle pack team or you wear out your best players and lose their effectiveness, like we've seen.
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Post by mrtea on Dec 13, 2019 15:26:53 GMT -7
I can only hope that McDavid and Draisaitl are doing some true soul searching and realize that when they were committed to team defense is when they were racking up all the points together. Now that they are aware of the scoring race they are starting to cheat offensively and they are not scoring as much as they were when they were defending better. If they were really concerned about the team they would see this and decide to put the foolishness behind them. The irony to me is that now that we are getting better secondary scoring, we're not getting as much scoring from our dynamic duo.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 13, 2019 15:44:50 GMT -7
I agree, no debate here. To add, good defenders come a lot cheaper than good scorers. I would say the team defence (for want of better words) v the Wild last night was verging on the worst I have seen from the Oilers, certainly this season. The number or times that there were more green shirts than white bounding towards our goal was unbelievable. No wonder we conceded 6. Forget the "more depth scoring pleading" and bring in some players who understand the concept of defensive awareness, whether they be defenders or forwards. I am beginning to see more goals go in whilst either McDavid or Draisaitl just appear in the picture. And what was Caleb Jones doing just watching the player score that 5th or was it 6th goal? The other night v Carolina it was RNH doing much the same. Don't watch the puck, take the man for crying out loud. There is clearly something wrong with our defensive nous when we are joint top scorers in the Pacific Division but have a Goal Differential of...…..zero. Scored 105, conceded 105. Yet even today Brian Burke was still going on about depth scoring needed in Edmonton. We are scoring 3.08 per game, yet we need more depth scoring? ? What we really need is some defensive responsibility, and that means in the opposition end of the ice also, not just at our end. Oh, and the odd save may come in handy also, especially from Mr Smith. I saw part of the Tippet post-game interview last night. He was doing the typical 'we need the team leaders to step up' routine, instead of addressing the actual problems here. This was only a snippet of the interview, but compared to earlier in the season, after they WON a game, he absolutely ripped the defensive play, was not satisfied, called out the team on this, that much improvement was needed...etc.... Where did all that go? Even McD post game kinda rationalized the poor effort with a 'other teams lose 3 in a row, this sort of thing happens, we have to be better...' speech... The defensive woes is the elephant in the room, and nobody seems to be addressing it. Concerning to say the least...
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 13, 2019 15:52:58 GMT -7
I can only hope that McDavid and Draisaitl are doing some true soul searching and realize that when they were committed to team defense is when they were racking up all the points together. Now that they are aware of the scoring race they are starting to cheat offensively and they are not scoring as much as they were when they were defending better. If they were really concerned about the team they would see this and decide to put the foolishness behind them. The irony to me is that now that we are getting better secondary scoring, we're not getting as much scoring from our dynamic duo. I was saying this exact thing. The way they were playing defence to start the year is far different then the way they are now. I could be to do with fatigue, injuries etc. All I know is when your out there for as long as those guys are it does get tiring. Shorter shifts would definitely help. I’d like to see Tippet try to balance out ice time a little better instead of running our top forwards and top d men into the ground.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 13, 2019 16:05:45 GMT -7
I can only hope that McDavid and Draisaitl are doing some true soul searching and realize that when they were committed to team defense is when they were racking up all the points together. Now that they are aware of the scoring race they are starting to cheat offensively and they are not scoring as much as they were when they were defending better. If they were really concerned about the team they would see this and decide to put the foolishness behind them. The irony to me is that now that we are getting better secondary scoring, we're not getting as much scoring from our dynamic duo. I was saying this exact thing. The way they were playing defence to start the year is far different then the way they are now. I could be to do with fatigue, injuries etc. All I know is when your out there for as long as those guys are it does get tiring. Shorter shifts would definitely help. I’d like to see Tippet try to balance out ice time a little better instead of running our top forwards and top d men into the ground. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole 'too much ice time=wearing out players as the season wears on' idea. I can understand players' effort suffering because of this within the confines of a game, but they seemed capable of handling it in games earlier in the season, and these are young, highly trained professional athletes we're talking about. Unless accumulated nagging injuries are part of the equation, I fail to see how they suddenly become unable to perform as they did earlier.
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 13, 2019 16:43:38 GMT -7
I was saying this exact thing. The way they were playing defence to start the year is far different then the way they are now. I could be to do with fatigue, injuries etc. All I know is when your out there for as long as those guys are it does get tiring. Shorter shifts would definitely help. I’d like to see Tippet try to balance out ice time a little better instead of running our top forwards and top d men into the ground. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole 'too much ice time=wearing out players as the season wears on' idea. I can understand players' effort suffering because of this within the confines of a game, but they seemed capable of handling it in games earlier in the season, and these are young, highly trained professional athletes we're talking about. Unless accumulated nagging injuries are part of the equation, I fail to see how they suddenly become unable to perform as they did earlier. They are highly trained athletes but to me it’s a combination of travel, ice time (especially lengthy shifts), maybe some nagging injuries etc. I think it can be a combo of many things. It can also be mentally taxing at the same time as well. Sometimes the mental side of things can be more exhausting then the physical side of it.
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Post by mrtea on Dec 13, 2019 18:32:10 GMT -7
I was saying this exact thing. The way they were playing defence to start the year is far different then the way they are now. I could be to do with fatigue, injuries etc. All I know is when your out there for as long as those guys are it does get tiring. Shorter shifts would definitely help. I’d like to see Tippet try to balance out ice time a little better instead of running our top forwards and top d men into the ground. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole 'too much ice time=wearing out players as the season wears on' idea. I can understand players' effort suffering because of this within the confines of a game, but they seemed capable of handling it in games earlier in the season, and these are young, highly trained professional athletes we're talking about. Unless accumulated nagging injuries are part of the equation, I fail to see how they suddenly become unable to perform as they did earlier. That's just it, it's not the physical part as much as it is the mental part. When you play good defense the offense will be produced as a by-product. When you cheat defensive aspects to pad your offensive points it opens up offensive chances for the other team. That and our goaltenders are Markstroming the bed!!
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 13, 2019 20:00:05 GMT -7
I was saying this exact thing. The way they were playing defence to start the year is far different then the way they are now. I could be to do with fatigue, injuries etc. All I know is when your out there for as long as those guys are it does get tiring. Shorter shifts would definitely help. I’d like to see Tippet try to balance out ice time a little better instead of running our top forwards and top d men into the ground. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole 'too much ice time=wearing out players as the season wears on' idea. I can understand players' effort suffering because of this within the confines of a game, but they seemed capable of handling it in games earlier in the season, and these are young, highly trained professional athletes we're talking about. Unless accumulated nagging injuries are part of the equation, I fail to see how they suddenly become unable to perform as they did earlier. Two words Groovey…………..accumulative effect. Just like the Maple Leafs will eventually wear out their one and only goalie as the season goes along unless they bring in a genuine back up goalie. I am also not convinced that as good a players as Connor and Leon are, that they have yet truly grasped the concept of "defence first", "offence will come" philosophy. Maybe I have it wrong, but it appears to me that much of the time we lose the puck in the offensive end, we are outnumbered in the initial possession by the other team as they move forwards towards our goal. I am also not sure that our players either understand or are capable of 5 up 5 back is my point. For Connor and Leon to have the number of points they have to be a combined roughly joint 0 in +/- says it all.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 14, 2019 17:14:11 GMT -7
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole 'too much ice time=wearing out players as the season wears on' idea. I can understand players' effort suffering because of this within the confines of a game, but they seemed capable of handling it in games earlier in the season, and these are young, highly trained professional athletes we're talking about. Unless accumulated nagging injuries are part of the equation, I fail to see how they suddenly become unable to perform as they did earlier. They are highly trained athletes but to me it’s a combination of travel, ice time (especially lengthy shifts), maybe some nagging injuries etc. I think it can be a combo of many things. It can also be mentally taxing at the same time as well. Sometimes the mental side of things can be more exhausting then the physical side of it. Every player on every team has to travel and is subject to 'mental taxation'. Because a player gets, say, 22 minutes a night rather than 18 as being a valid excuse for drop off in play just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Dec 14, 2019 17:22:17 GMT -7
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole 'too much ice time=wearing out players as the season wears on' idea. I can understand players' effort suffering because of this within the confines of a game, but they seemed capable of handling it in games earlier in the season, and these are young, highly trained professional athletes we're talking about. Unless accumulated nagging injuries are part of the equation, I fail to see how they suddenly become unable to perform as they did earlier. Two words Groovey…………..accumulative effect. Just like the Maple Leafs will eventually wear out their one and only goalie as the season goes along unless they bring in a genuine back up goalie. I am also not convinced that as good a players as Connor and Leon are, that they have yet truly grasped the concept of "defence first", "offence will come" philosophy. Maybe I have it wrong, but it appears to me that much of the time we lose the puck in the offensive end, we are outnumbered in the initial possession by the other team as they move forwards towards our goal. I am also not sure that our players either understand or are capable of 5 up 5 back is my point. For Connor and Leon to have the number of points they have to be a combined roughly joint 0 in +/- says it all. There's a lot of goalies who had good seasons playing 70+ games a year. And they're out there for the whole game for the most part. As for the 5 up 5 back, they seemed to be able to do this earlier on, so it seems to me they are capable of seeing the value of this. Why they stopped playing this way? You got me there...
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Post by rapiershot on Dec 15, 2019 20:28:01 GMT -7
The Canucks waived Sven Baertchi (sp) today. I mention this not because of any interest in him but think this signals the Waiver open season start. Teams have had a good chance to assess their talent, their prospects, their needs, and expendables - including the Oilers. Should we expect such announcements soon? Will Gagner be waived for a 6th time? Will we see some / more prospects after Christmas?
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 15, 2019 21:41:03 GMT -7
The Canucks waived Sven Baertchi (sp) today. I mention this not because of any interest in him but think this signals the Waiver open season start. Teams have had a good chance to assess their talent, their prospects, their needs, and expendables - including the Oilers. Should we expect such announcements soon? Will Gagner be waived for a 6th time? Will we see some / more prospects after Christmas? I think if Gagner was gonna get waived, he would have already. We don't have other right shots to replace him. What I think should happen is Haas and Nygard get sent down, then Marody and Benson get called up. It can't hurt us. Sh!t, waive Gagner and call Yamo up. That can't hurt us either. Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian Neal-Nuge-Yamo Benson-Marody-Chiasson Khaira-Sheahan-Archie/Russell
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 12, 2021 20:47:13 GMT -7
Déjà Flames sucking vu.
this thread reads like it was written this year.
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