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Post by igibb on Feb 11, 2022 9:25:58 GMT -7
So you think for 2 seasons and 20+ odd games this year the Oilers had the most dominant PP in the league because the players were just doing what they wanted and finally after all that time every team in the league magically figured out how to stymie them. Yeah sounds very believable. PP are a different animal from a 5on5 as you know. A power play relies more on the players talent rather than a system. One of the main reasons we were so successful earlier on was our talent on the PP and their ability to change positions rapidly. However once players become stagnant and don't move it becomes easier for the PK to stop. A PK will use 1 of 2 systems to defend against a PP ( Box or Diamond) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The objective of the PP is to create a 2 on 1 somewhere, usually down low which will leave a player open to shoot. However if the PP becomes stagnant and doesn't move the only thing it can do is to move around the outside, which makes it way easier to defend against. As of late our D wait to long to shoot which allows the PK to get into the lanes. If you remember when we were so successful nobody held the puck longer than a second once they were open and the shot was there. Once taken, converge on the net for loose pucks. By moving the puck quickly it will eventually break a PK down. I understand how a PP works my point is when things go well it's always the players and when they go bad it's the coaches inability to adapt. drtaf's comment about the coaches not adjusting being the reason the PP is faltering was ridiculous. This teams PP was medicore at best (with essentially the same group of players) until this group of coaches arrived then they became a historically dominate PP for 2 seasons and half of this season but they can't adapt? It's been the players just doing their thing and finally after 2 plus seasons other teams have figured it out and now it's the coaches that can't come up with a solution? Bull Monahan. How about McDavid has one PP goal in his last 23 games or Drai has one in his last 19. Their skill alone should produce more than that.
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Post by pillotte on Feb 11, 2022 9:53:54 GMT -7
PP are a different animal from a 5on5 as you know. A power play relies more on the players talent rather than a system. One of the main reasons we were so successful earlier on was our talent on the PP and their ability to change positions rapidly. However once players become stagnant and don't move it becomes easier for the PK to stop. A PK will use 1 of 2 systems to defend against a PP ( Box or Diamond) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The objective of the PP is to create a 2 on 1 somewhere, usually down low which will leave a player open to shoot. However if the PP becomes stagnant and doesn't move the only thing it can do is to move around the outside, which makes it way easier to defend against. As of late our D wait to long to shoot which allows the PK to get into the lanes. If you remember when we were so successful nobody held the puck longer than a second once they were open and the shot was there. Once taken, converge on the net for loose pucks. By moving the puck quickly it will eventually break a PK down. I understand how a PP works my point is when things go well it's always the players and when they go bad it's the coaches inability to adapt. drtaf's comment about the coaches not adjusting being the reason the PP is faltering was ridiculous. This teams PP was medicore at best (with essentially the same group of players) until this group of coaches arrived then they became a historically dominate PP for 2 seasons and half of this season but they can't adapt? It's been the players just doing their thing and finally after 2 plus seasons other teams have figured it out and now it's the coaches that can't come up with a solution? Bull Monahan. How about McDavid has one PP goal in his last 23 games or Drai has one in his last 19. Their skill alone should produce more than that.
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 11, 2022 10:30:27 GMT -7
PP are a different animal from a 5on5 as you know. A power play relies more on the players talent rather than a system. One of the main reasons we were so successful earlier on was our talent on the PP and their ability to change positions rapidly. However once players become stagnant and don't move it becomes easier for the PK to stop. A PK will use 1 of 2 systems to defend against a PP ( Box or Diamond) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The objective of the PP is to create a 2 on 1 somewhere, usually down low which will leave a player open to shoot. However if the PP becomes stagnant and doesn't move the only thing it can do is to move around the outside, which makes it way easier to defend against. As of late our D wait to long to shoot which allows the PK to get into the lanes. If you remember when we were so successful nobody held the puck longer than a second once they were open and the shot was there. Once taken, converge on the net for loose pucks. By moving the puck quickly it will eventually break a PK down. I understand how a PP works my point is when things go well it's always the players and when they go bad it's the coaches inability to adapt. drtaf's comment about the coaches not adjusting being the reason the PP is faltering was ridiculous. This teams PP was medicore at best (with essentially the same group of players) until this group of coaches arrived then they became a historically dominate PP for 2 seasons and half of this season but they can't adapt? It's been the players just doing their thing and finally after 2 plus seasons other teams have figured it out and now it's the coaches that can't come up with a solution? Bull Monahan. How about McDavid has one PP goal in his last 23 games or Drai has one in his last 19. Their skill alone should produce more than that. This is how I see too. Ultimately, the players play
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Feb 11, 2022 12:15:47 GMT -7
Will the players come out and support their new coach to a weaker Eastern Conference team? I say yes. Oil win tonight.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 11, 2022 12:17:21 GMT -7
I understand how a PP works my point is when things go well it's always the players and when they go bad it's the coaches inability to adapt. drtaf's comment about the coaches not adjusting being the reason the PP is faltering was ridiculous. This teams PP was medicore at best (with essentially the same group of players) until this group of coaches arrived then they became a historically dominate PP for 2 seasons and half of this season but they can't adapt? It's been the players just doing their thing and finally after 2 plus seasons other teams have figured it out and now it's the coaches that can't come up with a solution? Bull Monahan. How about McDavid has one PP goal in his last 23 games or Drai has one in his last 19. Their skill alone should produce more than that. You think its ridiculous that teams have made adjustments to try and stop our PP? THAT statement is ridiculous! If you are a coach and you have to play against the best PP in the league, you're trying to say the opposing coaches dont look at that and say IDK "maybe we should try and take a look at that and see if we cant minimise it" Elementary stuff like lets see if we can stop the cross ice pass that sets up the 1-timer for Drai?? To me its extremely obvious that teams have worked on minimising our PP and not just by taking less penalties. In fact I see a number of teams immitating our PP. Anyone think Debrincat's goal looked eerily similar to a "Drai special". And not only the PP, teams have worked hard on inimising the impact the dynamic duo have on the ice and that's why we sucked in the last 2 playoffs despite meeting inferior opposition (apologies OJF). Teams adjust to us but our coaches never counter adjusted and that's why Tipp was eventually fired, he had no answers, and no new ideas. His answer to everything was put McDrai out and that had repercussions throughout the line up that eventually led to the teams overall lack of performance. And yes i know, having shiitty goaltending never helped the cause either!
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Post by igibb on Feb 12, 2022 15:34:40 GMT -7
You think its ridiculous that teams have made adjustments to try and stop our PP? THAT statement is ridiculous! If you are a coach and you have to play against the best PP in the league, you're trying to say the opposing coaches dont look at that and say IDK "maybe we should try and take a look at that and see if we cant minimise it" Elementary stuff like lets see if we can stop the cross ice pass that sets up the 1-timer for Drai?? To me its extremely obvious that teams have worked on minimising our PP and not just by taking less penalties. In fact I see a number of teams immitating our PP. Anyone think Debrincat's goal looked eerily similar to a "Drai special". And not only the PP, teams have worked hard on inimising the impact the dynamic duo have on the ice and that's why we sucked in the last 2 playoffs despite meeting inferior opposition (apologies OJF). Teams adjust to us but our coaches never counter adjusted and that's why Tipp was eventually fired, he had no answers, and no new ideas. His answer to everything was put McDrai out and that had repercussions throughout the line up that eventually led to the teams overall lack of performance. And yes i know, having shiitty goaltending never helped the cause either! Of course they are trying but they have been trying for the last 2 and a half years as well but our PP kept humming along at a historically good rate. What is ridiculous is the notion that magically in the last 25 games every coach has figured out what no one could for those 2 and half years and all of a sudden our coaches have no answers. So what is more plausible, the players aren't performing up to the same standards or all of a sudden every coach in the NHL has finally watched some film on our PP and figured it out? BTW a "Drai special" was being done by a guy in Washington for years before Drai was even a idea in this league and for years before that by others it's not some mysterious new play.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 12, 2022 15:50:47 GMT -7
That’s the beauty of analysis, once someone figures out something, it quickly becomes common knowledge and others follow suit. No different from many teams see TB win or cup or whoever and it spawns copycats. And no it’s not like teams suddenly figured it out, it’s a process and I believe the first team to really figure it out was last year’s leafs. And it’s not like McD and Drai aren’t supremely talented and don’t improvise on the fly. My point is, as teams “gradually” figured out how to limit our pp, there was no corresponding adjustment from the coaches to counteract. If you don’t think the team, the pp and just about everything else on this team didn’t look stale and out of ideas then feel free to stick with that opinion . And btw, those are McD’s words more or less, not mine.
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