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Post by igibb on May 14, 2023 8:28:33 GMT -7
Of all goaltenders in the playoffs Jack Campbell has the lowest goals against average at 1.19, and the highest save percentage at .957%. He's played a total of 102 minutes which is just shy of 2 full games. He's allowed only 2 goals in almost 6 periods of play. It seems to me that the team has confidence enough? To not take advantage of that to me is not thinking clearly.   I think you have to think of the situation Campbell gets put in the net at. He's only getting put in relief, and the game changes fairly when a team is down. Thats what score effects is, teams up don't really try for high danger chances. Sure he could have let in more but I'll try to find what his "Goals save above avg" is for the playoffs. It's a very low sample size. For me I don't think Skinner has been bad enough to lose it, it's Skinner's net for the rest of the playoffs. Skinner is one of the worst goalies in the playoffs in all statistical categories. He has not been good enough. According to Natural Stat Trick his GSAA is -3.85. That is brutal. It's the third worst of any goalie that has played in the playoffs this year. You do not stand a chance of winning a cup or even getting there with goaltending like than. Campbells is 2.60.
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Post by Bronco73 on May 14, 2023 8:33:22 GMT -7
Of all goaltenders in the playoffs Jack Campbell has the lowest goals against average at 1.19, and the highest save percentage at .957%. He's played a total of 102 minutes which is just shy of 2 full games. He's allowed only 2 goals in almost 6 periods of play. It seems to me that the team has confidence enough? To not take advantage of that to me is not thinking clearly. I think you have to think of the situation Campbell gets put in the net at. He's only getting put in relief, and the game changes fairly when a team is down. Thats what score effects is, teams up don't really try for high danger chances. Sure he could have let in more but I'll try to find what his "Goals save above avg" is for the playoffs. It's a very low sample size. For me I don't think Skinner has been bad enough to lose it, it's Skinner's net for the rest of the playoffs. Skinner is 20'th out of 24 playoffs goaltenders in GAA at 3.52 and 19'th in save percentage at .890%. He's definitely not been good enough to keep it. Look I love Skinner as much as everybody else, probably more since he's a hometown hero here in Lethbridge, but he unquestionably has to be better. He hasn't played well enough to keep the starter job, and Campbell has played well enough in relief to get a chance. Of course in the end it's not the call either one of us can make, but if it were me I'd be taking a serious look at a goaltending change for game 6
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Post by toley on May 14, 2023 11:21:08 GMT -7
Skinner starts Game 6 via Tony Bear
The play hasn't been good in front of him, you need discipline and defense to stop cycles, and Hyman, Nugent-Hopkins and Kane to step up.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 14, 2023 12:59:50 GMT -7
Skinner starts Game 6 via Tony Bear The play hasn't been good in front of him, you need discipline and defense to stop cycles, and Hyman, Nugent-Hopkins and Kane to step up. Knights can roll 4 lines all night long, I agree that defensive lapses can contribute to bad goalie numbers. Oil need to use speed to get their PP over the boards, speed draws penalties. Campbell is a roll of the dice, he's historically inconsistant.
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Post by mrtea on May 14, 2023 15:00:42 GMT -7
I know I'm a very optimistic Oiler fan, but I'm feeling confident that the Oilers "got this" tonight for a few good reasons. First off is that the team is going to come out with a solid team game and out work Vegas. Secondly McDavid and especially Draisaitl have been held to very few points in the last couple of games. There is no way that you hold those two guys down much longer, I predict Draisaitl scores again tonight and MCdavid doing everything it takes to win. Same for Nuge, Hyman and Kane, they've been held off the score sheet too much lately and you know at least one of those guys will change that tonight. Contributions from our back end and bottom six will be there tonight and as a team they will make Skinner's job easier. Lastly, and yes I'm expecting Skinner to bounce back again!
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Post by drtaf on May 14, 2023 16:01:40 GMT -7
I know I'm a very optimistic Oiler fan, but I'm feeling confident that the Oilers "got this" tonight for a few good reasons. First off is that the team is going to come out with a solid team game and out work Vegas. Secondly McDavid and especially Draisaitl have been held to very few points in the last couple of games. There is no way that you hold those two guys down much longer, I predict Draisaitl scores again tonight and MCdavid doing everything it takes to win. Same for Nuge, Hyman and Kane, they've been held off the score sheet too much lately and you know at least one of those guys will change that tonight. Contributions from our back end and bottom six will be there tonight and as a team they will make Skinner's job easier. Lastly, and yes I'm expecting Skinner to bounce back again! The rumour is that skinner is in the "starter's net" in practice if that means anything?
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Post by happyhappy on May 14, 2023 17:23:56 GMT -7
5x5 scoring defense by committee solid goaltending Git er Dun! GO OILERS GO!!  |
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Post by wilbo71 on May 14, 2023 20:44:37 GMT -7
Down 3-2 late in 2nd Q.
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Post by toley on May 14, 2023 20:54:14 GMT -7
Skinner starts Game 6 via Tony Bear The play hasn't been good in front of him, you need discipline and defense to stop cycles, and Hyman, Nugent-Hopkins and Kane to step up. Knights can roll 4 lines all night long, I agree that defensive lapses can contribute to bad goalie numbers. Oil need to use speed to get their PP over the boards, speed draws penalties. Campbell is a roll of the dice, he's historically inconsistant. This. Skinner is the better bet. |
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Post by toley on May 14, 2023 20:55:49 GMT -7
Scratch that…4-2.   I'm at the game and it felt they just didn't want to play anymore, in the second. |
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Post by windsoroiler on May 14, 2023 21:03:16 GMT -7
Scratch that…4-2. I'm at the game and it felt they just didn't want to play anymore, in the second. Yammo with the hatrick, not finishing on 2 great chances, not taking care of the point on 2 Vegas goals then taking a penalty. Key to the game so far, hoping for the best. Of course skinner can't make any saves... |
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Post by drtaf on May 14, 2023 21:58:46 GMT -7
I'm at the game and it felt they just didn't want to play anymore, in the second. Yammo with the hatrick, not finishing on 2 great chances, not taking care of the point on 2 Vegas goals then taking a penalty. Key to the game so far, hoping for the best. Of course skinner can't make any saves... Kenny has very limited room to do anything next year without making serious trades? If you look at the "biggest busts/$" you have to look at Yam and soup? Folks can argue Nurse but nurse brings a fair bit to the table and although it would be nice to have him on a $5-6M deal he still brings something, the other 2 bring pretty much nothing. Unfortunately, the rest of the league's GMs are not blind and see this also so IDK how KH removes this dead weight and brings in warm bodies who can contribute? In fairness, I've ragged on KH a fair bit but he made some good moves at TDL and overall, probably deserves another year to see if he can? although i wouldnt mind if he gracefully retired and let his boy or Keith take over? We still need to improve somehow and now we have 1 less year of guaranteed Drai and McD to put a cup winning team together!
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Post by toley on May 14, 2023 22:13:06 GMT -7
Yammo with the hatrick, not finishing on 2 great chances, not taking care of the point on 2 Vegas goals then taking a penalty. Key to the game so far, hoping for the best. Of course skinner can't make any saves... Kenny has very limited room to do anything next year without making serious trades? If you look at the "biggest busts/$" you have to look at Yam and soup? Folks can argue Nurse but nurse brings a fair bit to the table and although it would be nice to have him on a $5-6M deal he still brings something, the other 2 bring pretty much nothing. Unfortunately, the rest of the league's GMs are not blind and see this also so IDK how KH removes this dead weight and brings in warm bodies who can contribute? In fairness, I've ragged on KH a fair bit but he made some good moves at TDL and overall, probably deserves another year to see if he can? although i wouldnt mind if he gracefully retired and let his boy or Keith take over? We still need to improve somehow and now we have 1 less year of guaranteed Drai and McD to put a cup winning team together! Cap casualties Yamamoto Ceci Maybe Foegele All I see are tweaks, Campbell will get another kick at the starting job. |
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Post by toley on May 14, 2023 22:28:31 GMT -7
I'm at the game and it felt they just didn't want to play anymore, in the second. Yammo with the hatrick, not finishing on 2 great chances, not taking care of the point on 2 Vegas goals then taking a penalty. Key to the game so far, hoping for the best. Of course skinner can't make any saves... As soon as the refs got involved they stopped playing and nothing clicked or bounced their way, a figurative sandtrap. |
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Post by Bronco73 on May 14, 2023 22:31:37 GMT -7
Knights can roll 4 lines all night long, I agree that defensive lapses can contribute to bad goalie numbers. Oil need to use speed to get their PP over the boards, speed draws penalties. Campbell is a roll of the dice, he's historically inconsistant. This. Skinner is the better bet. Yet Campbell played a third of the game and yet again stonewalled them.
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Post by toley on May 14, 2023 22:55:26 GMT -7
This. Skinner is the better bet. Yet Campbell played a third of the game and yet again stonewalled them. Nothing Campbell faced was even a little dangerous, Vegas played defense and wasted clock the whole third. |
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Post by drtaf on May 14, 2023 23:05:48 GMT -7
This. Skinner is the better bet. Yet Campbell played a third of the game and yet again stonewalled them. boxscore shows him facing 4 shots total?Does that also suggest something to you   Soup will have his chance to "prove" himself again next year as no one else will want him and TBH, I'll be totally shocked if he proves anything other than a complete waste of money next year as well? FWIW, I agree with you, he should have started tonight's game just to see if he could pull this series out of the fire? definitely wasn't given any kind of chance to be the hero?? But imo, that also says something about where management and coaches faith lies? You'd have to think that if there was any "hint" from the core" that they'd like soup to be given a shot then you'd think the coach would pick up on this?? Soup was also KH's "prized" off-season acquisition so you also know upper management would have pushed to put him in (like with smitty) if they felt he was the right choice? IMO, the feeling must have been pretty overwhelming in the locker room that Skinner was their best hope for a win tonight for that decision to have been made? Would soup have created a different outcome?? I really doubt it as he would have had to stand on his head and steal one and that hasn't happened in playoffs for oil since Roly days. Vegas fully deserved it tonight, give them credit. No doubt this topic will be a big discussion for next year, time to lick the wounds and then wait and see what changes if any happen before next season starts?
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Post by fogolin2 on May 15, 2023 6:56:59 GMT -7
Kenny has very limited room to do anything next year without making serious trades? If you look at the "biggest busts/$" you have to look at Yam and soup? Folks can argue Nurse but nurse brings a fair bit to the table and although it would be nice to have him on a $5-6M deal he still brings something, the other 2 bring pretty much nothing. Unfortunately, the rest of the league's GMs are not blind and see this also so IDK how KH removes this dead weight and brings in warm bodies who can contribute? In fairness, I've ragged on KH a fair bit but he made some good moves at TDL and overall, probably deserves another year to see if he can? although i wouldnt mind if he gracefully retired and let his boy or Keith take over? We still need to improve somehow and now we have 1 less year of guaranteed Drai and McD to put a cup winning team together! Cap casualties Yamamoto Ceci Maybe Foegele All I see are tweaks, Campbell will get another kick at the starting job. Unfortunately, Campbell is too weak minded for the job. If a buyout is an option, that might be the only way out. Not sure what the other options are. Use our 2nd to get someone to take Yammo? Just so disappointed this morning. Tough to think about it.
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Post by toley on May 15, 2023 7:07:07 GMT -7
Cap casualties Yamamoto Ceci Maybe Foegele All I see are tweaks, Campbell will get another kick at the starting job. Unfortunately, Campbell is too weak minded for the job. If a buyout is an option, that might be the only way out. Not sure what the other options are. Use our 2nd to get someone to take Yammo? Just so disappointed this morning. Tough to think about it. With Campbell's contract being what it is, he'll definitely get another crack at the starting job, what he does with it is solely up to him. Is all I'm saying. Depends what you're getting back? A project? A prospect that may not re-sign? Or adding to make it a package deal? There's more than one option, for a lot of different scenarios. |
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Soup will have his chance to "prove" himself again next year as no one else will want him and TBH, I'll be totally shocked if he proves anything other than a complete waste of money next year as well? FWIW, I agree with you, he should have started tonight's game just to see if he could pull this series out of the fire? definitely wasn't given any kind of chance to be the hero?? But imo, that also says something about where management and coaches faith lies? You'd have to think that if there was any "hint" from the core" that they'd like soup to be given a shot then you'd think the coach would pick up on this?? Soup was also KH's "prized" off-season acquisition so you also know upper management would have pushed to put him in (like with smitty) if they felt he was the right choice? IMO, the feeling must have been pretty overwhelming in the locker room that Skinner was their best hope for a win tonight for that decision to have been made? Would soup have created a different outcome?? I really doubt it as he would have had to stand on his head and steal one and that hasn't happened in playoffs for oil since Roly days. Vegas fully deserved it tonight, give them credit. No doubt this topic will be a big discussion for next year, time to lick the wounds and then wait and see what changes if any happen before next season starts?
