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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 4, 2020 11:16:04 GMT -7
Think that's too much for Nuge. We have him through his prime and when he becomes a FA he will start to decline. Look at all the big contracts the 28-30 yr olds are getting pushing them in their mid 30's. It is unwise to sign a player for big money as the player declines, you want them in their primes. Nuge can get more on the open market for sure though. Holland has to manage the cap. Will Benson and McLeod become regulars late next season? Depends what we have in the pipeline.
Nuge deserves his next payday, I'm sure he will be looking at long term. That's where the issue is as much as salary.
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Post by discostew on Mar 4, 2020 12:08:20 GMT -7
I would try to extend him asap (I think we can already extend him but maybe not till off season . I'd try for 6-6.5 but sign him for 8 years. Remember by the time this next contract kicks in the cap will be over 90 million a year. So I'd be ok with 7 million as well. Be interesting to see what Nuge wants.
Nice that looks like the cap might jump to 88. We should have a little cap to work with. I think only Bear is someone who will be seeking much of a raise for next season.
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 4, 2020 13:16:35 GMT -7
The rise in cap already accounts for Nurse and Kass raises. Done.
We are in the hole almost 5 million next season with the buyouts and Luc retention.
If and no reason to see Bear and Yammo keep it up. Some nice raises there next season.
One of Holland's weaknesses is loyalty contracts to aging players that decline or are injury prone later on in their careers. Countless players. Not trading them while they still have value. Frans Nielson was a desperate move when they lost out on I forget who at the deadline. 6 yr 5.25 mil contract on an aging player. Hope he learned his lesson. You sign Nuge on a 3-4 yr deal at a reasonable cap hit like Kass. If he wants to stay (5-6 mil). He would be 32 if that contract would work for him when it expires. If not you trade him while he still has value.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 4, 2020 13:29:19 GMT -7
The rise in cap already accounts for Nurse and Kass raises. Done. We are in the hole almost 5 million next season with the buyouts and Luc retention. If and no reason to see Bear and Yammo keep it up. Some nice raises there next season. One of Holland's weaknesses is loyalty contracts to aging players that decline or are injury prone later on in their careers. Countless players. Not trading them while they still have value. Frans Nielson was a desperate move when they lost out on I forget who at the deadline. 6 yr 5.25 mil contract on an aging player. Hope he learned his lesson. You sign Nuge on a 3-4 yr deal at a reasonable cap hit like Kass. If he wants to stay (5-6 mil). He would be 32 if that contract would work for him when it expires. If not you trade him while he still has value. If the cap goes to 88M next season, then we have 19M to work with. That includes Nurse and Kass raises. 19M to sign 10 players. Very very doable. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 4, 2020 14:30:37 GMT -7
The rise in cap already accounts for Nurse and Kass raises. Done. We are in the hole almost 5 million next season with the buyouts and Luc retention. If and no reason to see Bear and Yammo keep it up. Some nice raises there next season. One of Holland's weaknesses is loyalty contracts to aging players that decline or are injury prone later on in their careers. Countless players. Not trading them while they still have value. Frans Nielson was a desperate move when they lost out on I forget who at the deadline. 6 yr 5.25 mil contract on an aging player. Hope he learned his lesson. You sign Nuge on a 3-4 yr deal at a reasonable cap hit like Kass. If he wants to stay (5-6 mil). He would be 32 if that contract would work for him when it expires. If not you trade him while he still has value. If the cap goes to 88M next season, then we have 19M to work with. That includes Nurse and Kass raises. 19M to sign 10 players. Very very doable. Doable. How would you go about it?
AA RFA Benning RFA Bear RFA Lag RFA
Smith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie
Archie, Sheahan, Ennis, Russell, Haas, Green all UFA
Slep rumored to be back
Will need to look to see what FAs are available in the offseason
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 4, 2020 14:40:43 GMT -7
If the cap goes to 88M next season, then we have 19M to work with. That includes Nurse and Kass raises. 19M to sign 10 players. Very very doable. Doable. How would you go about it?
AA RFA Benning RFA Bear RFA Lag RFA
Smith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie
Archie, Sheahan, Ennis, Russell, Haas, Green all UFA
Slep rumored to be back
Will need to look to see what FAs are available in the offseason
19M on 10 players is doable. What do you wanna do? Try and sign all our spots to multimillion dollar contracts?? If players are asking too much, they gotta go. We can't have a team filled with multimillion dollar players. We need sub-million dollar players too. Like every team does. PRussell Ennis, Haas, Nygard. They're all sub-million dollar players. They shouldn't be making more than 1M, IF that. Archie and Sheahan can make an argument for 1.5M. They're bottom 6 players. Any more than that and theyd be overpaid. That's a Chiarelli move. That's 7M (tops) on 5 of the 10 players. We could have 12M to fill 5 more spots now. Those RFAs only have so much power. They can't demand much cause they can't go anywhere. The Oil own their rights. Lags is 1M, two way. Benning, 2M. Bear, 3M. AA, 3.5M. That's 9.5M out of the remaining. 12M. That leaves 2.5M for a backup goalie Now that's all IF the cap goes up to 88M. If it doesn't, we're screwed. EDIT: Nygard already signed for less than he made this year. Maybe Holland can convince Haas too? If Haas even comes back. We have been trying to upgrade his position. |
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Post by discostew on Mar 4, 2020 14:53:12 GMT -7
It's also likely Bouchard will be with the big club next season (probably this season once Bakersfield is done.) And that will allows us to move Rusell or Benning.
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 4, 2020 14:54:49 GMT -7
Doable. How would you go about it?
AA RFA Benning RFA Bear RFA Lag RFA
Smith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie
Archie, Sheahan, Ennis, Russell, Haas, Green all UFA
Slep rumored to be back
Will need to look to see what FAs are available in the offseason
19M on 10 players is doable. What do you wanna do? Try and sign all our spots to multimillion dollar contracts?? If players are asking too much, they gotta go. We can't have a team filled with multimillion dollar players. We need sub-million dollar players too. Like every team does. PRussell Ennis, Haas, Nygard. They're all sub-million dollar players. They shouldn't be making more than 1M, IF that. Archie and Sheahan can make an argument for 1.5M. They're bottom 6 players. Any more than that and theyd be overpaid. That's a Chiarelli move. That's 7M (tops) on 5 of the 10 players. We could have 12M to fill 5 more spots now. Those RFAs only have so much power. They can't demand much cause they can't go anywhere. The Oil own their rights. Lags is 1M, two way. Benning, 2M. Bear, 3M. AA, 3.5M. That's 9.5M out of the remaining. 12M. That leaves 2.5M for a backup goalie Now that's all IF the cap goes up to 88M. If it doesn't, we're screwed. EDIT: Nygard already signed for less than he made this year. Maybe Holland can convince Haas too? If Haas even comes back. We have been trying to upgrade his position. Nicely done! One of our needs is a bit better 3C. And a winger to replace Pulj. If cap is 84 million it can be done. Bear 1.5 bridge, Lag 800k (Jones got 850k x 2), Benning 2, Archie and Sheahan slight raises (I like their chemistry) say at 1.2, 2 mil for a goalie. AA has not proven he needs a raise so close to 3M, maybe 3.1-3.2 bridge and still RFA after the two years. We would still be ok. I agree Haas would be nice to upgrade that 3C position unless JJK can step up, his giveaway last night, man, good thing it did not cost us. He has been average at best. But for 1.2 he is good on the PK. It would be nice to upgrade 3c somehow. How it would be nice to have a Staal or Bonino for reasonable $ and term. Nuge can play C, trade JJK, do not sign Haas, let Sheahan go and that makes room for the 3C upgrade. This does not mean the new 3C would mesh well with Archie and other players though. If cheap would like to retain Sheahan.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 4, 2020 15:49:31 GMT -7
19M on 10 players is doable. What do you wanna do? Try and sign all our spots to multimillion dollar contracts?? If players are asking too much, they gotta go. We can't have a team filled with multimillion dollar players. We need sub-million dollar players too. Like every team does. PRussell Ennis, Haas, Nygard. They're all sub-million dollar players. They shouldn't be making more than 1M, IF that. Archie and Sheahan can make an argument for 1.5M. They're bottom 6 players. Any more than that and theyd be overpaid. That's a Chiarelli move. That's 7M (tops) on 5 of the 10 players. We could have 12M to fill 5 more spots now. Those RFAs only have so much power. They can't demand much cause they can't go anywhere. The Oil own their rights. Lags is 1M, two way. Benning, 2M. Bear, 3M. AA, 3.5M. That's 9.5M out of the remaining. 12M. That leaves 2.5M for a backup goalie Now that's all IF the cap goes up to 88M. If it doesn't, we're screwed. EDIT: Nygard already signed for less than he made this year. Maybe Holland can convince Haas too? If Haas even comes back. We have been trying to upgrade his position. Nicely done! One of our needs is a bit better 3C. And a winger to replace Pulj. If cap is 84 million it can be done. Bear 1.5 bridge, Lag 800k (Jones got 850k x 2), Benning 2, Archie and Sheahan slight raises (I like their chemistry) say at 1.2, 2 mil for a goalie. AA has not proven he needs a raise so close to 3M, maybe 3.1-3.2 bridge and still RFA after the two years. We would still be ok. I agree Haas would be nice to upgrade that 3C position unless JJK can step up, his giveaway last night, man, good thing it did not cost us. He has been average at best. But for 1.2 he is good on the PK. It would be nice to upgrade 3c somehow. How it would be nice to have a Staal or Bonino for reasonable $ and term. Nuge can play C, trade JJK, do not sign Haas, let Sheahan go and that makes room for the 3C upgrade. This does not mean the new 3C would mesh well with Archie and other players though. If cheap would like to retain Sheahan. I don't think Nuge should play C. He's finally found his spot as a top 6 LWer. And he's excelling at it. He's finally looking like a high end 1st round pick. I personally wouldn't move him from where he is. We move him, then that makes another hole. It'll be easier to find a 3C than another top 6 winger. Especially one that wants to be here. IF he asks for a monster raise, then he can go, but if he doesn't then we should keep him where he is. Sheahan and Holland have a good relationship, I see him staying. Maybe a small upgrade from 900K to 1M. I see JJ gone, unless he massively steps up his game in the playoffs. Yeah I like him on the PK, but he's way too much of a liability with the puck. That giveaway last night was the last straw for me. I've been an avid supporter of his, but I don't think I can anymore. I wouldn't mind Haas staying as 13th forward. Somewhere around 800K. Ryan McLeod might be able to take 3C spot in a couple years. We'll see. As for a JP replacement, I can see Raphael Lavoie being that. If he keeps up the way he's going anyway. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 4, 2020 22:06:33 GMT -7
If the cap goes to 88M next season, then we have 19M to work with. That includes Nurse and Kass raises. 19M to sign 10 players. Very very doable. Doable. How would you go about it?
AA RFA Benning RFA Bear RFA Lag RFA
Smith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie
Archie, Sheahan, Ennis, Russell, Haas, Green all UFA
Slep rumored to be back
Will need to look to see what FAs are available in the offseason
AA RFA QO $3mil Benning RFA Raise to $2.0milBear RFA Raise to $3milLag RFA QO $735kSmith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie Never seen so many FA goalies as this coming offseason. Smith is probably gone. I'll plan for $2mil again
Archie Raise to $1.3
Sheahan $900k seems about right
Ennis $735k (league minimum?)if he wants it Russell Bye! Replaced internally on ELC or 2-way
Haas cut to $800k
Green Retired. Replaced internally on ELC Slep rumored to be back Made $925k to suck a couple of years ago. So $800k
By my math we've got about 6mil of space to play with
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Post by nocchi on Mar 4, 2020 22:48:40 GMT -7
Terrible time to be a UFA goalie. High supply, and nobody seems to know who will breakout, and who will fall apart. GM's aren't going to break the bank on uncertainty.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 4, 2020 22:55:24 GMT -7
I'd offer more to Ennis, quite a bit more if He'd sign a longer term deal? He's rapidly becoming what we'd hope Chiasson would become and he's faster and shows potential to play up and down the lines? I'd go $1.5 to $2M x 3yrs
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 4, 2020 23:15:09 GMT -7
Doable. How would you go about it?
AA RFA Benning RFA Bear RFA Lag RFA
Smith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie
Archie, Sheahan, Ennis, Russell, Haas, Green all UFA
Slep rumored to be back
Will need to look to see what FAs are available in the offseason
AA RFA QO $3mil Benning RFA Raise to $2.0milBear RFA Raise to $3milLag RFA QO $735kSmith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie Never seen so many FA goalies as this coming offseason. Smith is probably gone. I'll plan for $2mil again
Archie Raise to $1.3
Sheahan $900k seems about right
Ennis $735k (league minimum?)if he wants it Russell Bye! Replaced internally on ELC or 2-way
Haas cut to $800k
Green Retired. Replaced internally on ELC Slep rumored to be back Made $925k to suck a couple of years ago. So $800k
By my math we've got about 6mil of space to play with Sounds pretty good. with Slep back he could replace Jjk, some teams were interested in him. So some savings on Jjk, don't resign Haas and upgrade the 3c position. We would still have enough to acquire a fa winger. Depending on cost don't resign Ennis either. I do like Ennis but we have a couple of very small players already in Yammo and Archie |
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 5, 2020 8:36:21 GMT -7
I'd offer more to Ennis, quite a bit more if He'd sign a longer term deal? He's rapidly becoming what we'd hope Chiasson would become and he's faster and shows potential to play up and down the lines? I'd go $1.5 to $2M x 3yrs Chiasson was 'that guy' lat year and Ennis is 30, and a small dude. Health is a risk. One year at a time is my preference
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 5, 2020 8:43:22 GMT -7
AA RFA QO $3mil Benning RFA Raise to $2.0milBear RFA Raise to $3milLag RFA QO $735kSmith UFA so need a good 1A-B goalie Never seen so many FA goalies as this coming offseason. Smith is probably gone. I'll plan for $2mil again
Archie Raise to $1.3
Sheahan $900k seems about right
Ennis $735k (league minimum?)if he wants it Russell Bye! Replaced internally on ELC or 2-way
Haas cut to $800k
Green Retired. Replaced internally on ELC Slep rumored to be back Made $925k to suck a couple of years ago. So $800k
By my math we've got about 6mil of space to play with Sounds pretty good. with Slep back he could replace Jjk, some teams were interested in him. So some savings on Jjk, don't resign Haas and upgrade the 3c position. We would still have enough to acquire a fa winger. Depending on cost don't resign Ennis either. I do like Ennis but we have a couple of very small players already in Yammo and Archie I don't remember what Sleppy was supposed to be good at, but his boxcars are significantly worse than JJK and JJK is proving to be very important to our league leading PK. And, as you say, having size and toughness somewhere in the lineup has some value.
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Post by discostew on Mar 5, 2020 9:53:34 GMT -7
I'd offer more to Ennis, quite a bit more if He'd sign a longer term deal? He's rapidly becoming what we'd hope Chiasson would become and he's faster and shows potential to play up and down the lines? I'd go $1.5 to $2M x 3yrs Chiasson was 'that guy' lat year and Ennis is 30, and a small dude. Health is a risk. One year at a time is my preference No harm giving Ennis 2 years as long as it's neat league minimum. If he craps the bed you just waive him and someone probably picks him up. Either way no cap hit. Of course there's the argument that 1 year keeps him hungry and easier to trade at the deadline next year if we need too. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 5, 2020 10:32:20 GMT -7
Chiasson was 'that guy' lat year and Ennis is 30, and a small dude. Health is a risk. One year at a time is my preference No harm giving Ennis 2 years as long as it's neat league minimum. If he craps the bed you just waive him and someone probably picks him up. Either way no cap hit. Of course there's the argument that 1 year keeps him hungry and easier to trade at the deadline next year if we need too. If he's doing well we can offer him an extension during the season.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 5, 2020 15:37:16 GMT -7
No harm giving Ennis 2 years as long as it's neat league minimum. If he craps the bed you just waive him and someone probably picks him up. Either way no cap hit. Of course there's the argument that 1 year keeps him hungry and easier to trade at the deadline next year if we need too. If he's doing well we can offer him an extension during the season. Both Valid points, the reason I say a little longer term and referenced Chiasson as comparable was that I really like Ennis's compete level. Chiasson was "that" guy last year but he fades in and out. There's something to be said for knowing what you're going to get as far as compete level. That's why I'd send JJK packing, unlike chiasson JJK fades fades fades fades fades, competes, fades fades... you get my drift.
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Post by discostew on Mar 5, 2020 16:56:08 GMT -7
Yep but there's a reason Ennis is only making 800k and only took a 5th to get. He's streaky, so you definitely don't want to spend much. As I said I'd be fine offering him 700k on a 1 or 2 year contract. I'd also be ok brining Gagner back at like 800k. Be nice to have cheap vets as healthy scratches.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 5, 2020 22:28:19 GMT -7
Yep but there's a reason Ennis is only making 800k and only took a 5th to get. He's streaky, so you definitely don't want to spend much. As I said I'd be fine offering him 700k on a 1 or 2 year contract. I'd also be ok brining Gagner back at like 800k. Be nice to have cheap vets as healthy scratches. Having cheap vets is almost a necessity in a cap world but Gags wouldn't make my 13th forward list
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