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Post by SuperDave17 on Feb 22, 2021 18:37:59 GMT -7
We always knew they were going to come. I've watched Auston play a lot. He was my consolation prize in our fantasy keeper league after HappyHappy got Connor first overall at the inaugural draft of our league. So I can weigh in, with comparisons that are all relative. As far as being a pure goal scorer, it's Matthews, no doubt. He can score from pretty much anywhere. Connor can rack em too. But let me put it this way. Ever notice how Connor is always along the right wall on the PP, and still sometimes looks for forced passes that aren't there even to the point of not taking prime one timers that are there? If he had Matthews' one-timer from that same spot, it'd be scary to think how much more godlike his production would be. Matthews is fast enough. But Connor is just S-tier above everyone else. On the other hand, Matthews can just bulldoze his way in once he's got an inside track. Both have improved at FOs, so I'll call this even. Matthews is a good enough passer. But again, as a matter of relative degree, he doesn't quite have Connor's vision and finesse in that regard. Now here's the point where I think the media, especially in TO, can't get their heads out of their holes. Making a massively big deal about Matthews being Selke-worthy in his defensive play. Fair enough, I've seen that he is conscientious about playing all three zones of the ice. What drives me up the wall is saying that it's to such a degree that the media suddenly starts putting out pieces and sound bytes about how it vaults him past Connor for best in the world or best in the league. Anybody who says Connor doesn't play defense has only seen his highlights. He watches the slot like a hawk, and often comes back right to his own goal when he needs to help out. And his speed allows him to do what needs to be done in all 200 feet of the ice. But hey, just my opinion. And apparently not worth a lot to the TO fanbase or a lot of the media.  And by the way, like we didn't have enough reason to have no respect for Cassie? LOL! ... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:00:17 GMT -7
I agree, Matthews is a heck of a good player But I would put Leon ahead of him. McDavid in my opinion is the most advanced Player I've witnessed and belongs in a class of Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr category.
Cassie Campbell...Gawd I just want to turn the sound off and not listen to her.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 22, 2021 20:31:35 GMT -7
Mathews is on a purple tear atm but so far its been 19 games long, McD has been on his tear since he entered the league. Mathews may have finally found someone in the off-season to teach him how to be a better player (read McDavid), but there is an awful long way to go before the apprentice even comes close to the Master NVM usurping him!!!
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Post by blackhawk216 on Feb 22, 2021 22:16:44 GMT -7
We always knew they were going to come. I've watched Auston play a lot. He was my consolation prize in our fantasy keeper league after HappyHappy got Connor first overall at the inaugural draft of our league. So I can weigh in, with comparisons that are all relative. As far as being a pure goal scorer, it's Matthews, no doubt. He can score from pretty much anywhere. Connor can rack em too. But let me put it this way. Ever notice how Connor is always along the right wall on the PP, and still sometimes looks for forced passes that aren't there even to the point of not taking prime one timers that are there? If he had Matthews' one-timer from that same spot, it'd be scary to think how much more godlike his production would be. Matthews is fast enough. But Connor is just S-tier above everyone else. On the other hand, Matthews can just bulldoze his way in once he's got an inside track. Both have improved at FOs, so I'll call this even. Matthews is a good enough passer. But again, as a matter of relative degree, he doesn't quite have Connor's vision and finesse in that regard. Now here's the point where I think the media, especially in TO, can't get their heads out of their holes. Making a massively big deal about Matthews being Selke-worthy in his defensive play. Fair enough, I've seen that he is conscientious about playing all three zones of the ice. What drives me up the wall is saying that it's to such a degree that the media suddenly starts putting out pieces and sound bytes about how it vaults him past Connor for best in the world or best in the league. Anybody who says Connor doesn't play defense has only seen his highlights. He watches the slot like a hawk, and often comes back right to his own goal when he needs to help out. And his speed allows him to do what needs to be done in all 200 feet of the ice. But hey, just my opinion. And apparently not worth a lot to the TO fanbase or a lot of the media. And by the way, like we didn't have enough reason to have no respect for Cassie? LOL! ... To avoid bias, I usually turn to the numbers for statistical comparisons: McDavid 1.36 ppg and + 49. Matthews 1.04 ppg and +46 Drai 1.02 ppg and -11. One other factor could be also that I think it is fair to say that Matthews has played on a better team overall, more forward support, probably a better defense, and better net minder, which could of course affect the +/- stat, and the points stat also. But the optics indicate that it is no contest......McDavid all the way. How lucky were we all to get him (& Leon) in the draft?  .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 22:56:42 GMT -7
We always knew they were going to come. I've watched Auston play a lot. He was my consolation prize in our fantasy keeper league after HappyHappy got Connor first overall at the inaugural draft of our league. So I can weigh in, with comparisons that are all relative. As far as being a pure goal scorer, it's Matthews, no doubt. He can score from pretty much anywhere. Connor can rack em too. But let me put it this way. Ever notice how Connor is always along the right wall on the PP, and still sometimes looks for forced passes that aren't there even to the point of not taking prime one timers that are there? If he had Matthews' one-timer from that same spot, it'd be scary to think how much more godlike his production would be. Matthews is fast enough. But Connor is just S-tier above everyone else. On the other hand, Matthews can just bulldoze his way in once he's got an inside track. Both have improved at FOs, so I'll call this even. Matthews is a good enough passer. But again, as a matter of relative degree, he doesn't quite have Connor's vision and finesse in that regard. Now here's the point where I think the media, especially in TO, can't get their heads out of their holes. Making a massively big deal about Matthews being Selke-worthy in his defensive play. Fair enough, I've seen that he is conscientious about playing all three zones of the ice. What drives me up the wall is saying that it's to such a degree that the media suddenly starts putting out pieces and sound bytes about how it vaults him past Connor for best in the world or best in the league. Anybody who says Connor doesn't play defense has only seen his highlights. He watches the slot like a hawk, and often comes back right to his own goal when he needs to help out. And his speed allows him to do what needs to be done in all 200 feet of the ice. But hey, just my opinion. And apparently not worth a lot to the TO fanbase or a lot of the media. And by the way, like we didn't have enough reason to have no respect for Cassie? LOL! ... To avoid bias, I usually turn to the numbers for statistical comparisons: McDavid 1.36 ppg and + 49. Matthews 1.04 ppg and +46 Drai 1.02 ppg and -11. One other factor could be also that I think it is fair to say that Matthews has played on a better team overall, more forward support, probably a better defense, and better net minder, which could of course affect the +/- stat, and the points stat also. But the optics indicate that it is no contest......McDavid all the way. How lucky were we all to get him (& Leon) in the draft? . I'd love to see McDavid feeding Matthews .... I'd feel bad for the opposition goalies.
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 23, 2021 23:09:29 GMT -7
We always knew they were going to come. I've watched Auston play a lot. He was my consolation prize in our fantasy keeper league after HappyHappy got Connor first overall at the inaugural draft of our league. So I can weigh in, with comparisons that are all relative. As far as being a pure goal scorer, it's Matthews, no doubt. He can score from pretty much anywhere. Connor can rack em too. But let me put it this way. Ever notice how Connor is always along the right wall on the PP, and still sometimes looks for forced passes that aren't there even to the point of not taking prime one timers that are there? If he had Matthews' one-timer from that same spot, it'd be scary to think how much more godlike his production would be. Matthews is fast enough. But Connor is just S-tier above everyone else. On the other hand, Matthews can just bulldoze his way in once he's got an inside track. Both have improved at FOs, so I'll call this even. Matthews is a good enough passer. But again, as a matter of relative degree, he doesn't quite have Connor's vision and finesse in that regard. Now here's the point where I think the media, especially in TO, can't get their heads out of their holes. Making a massively big deal about Matthews being Selke-worthy in his defensive play. Fair enough, I've seen that he is conscientious about playing all three zones of the ice. What drives me up the wall is saying that it's to such a degree that the media suddenly starts putting out pieces and sound bytes about how it vaults him past Connor for best in the world or best in the league. Anybody who says Connor doesn't play defense has only seen his highlights. He watches the slot like a hawk, and often comes back right to his own goal when he needs to help out. And his speed allows him to do what needs to be done in all 200 feet of the ice. But hey, just my opinion. And apparently not worth a lot to the TO fanbase or a lot of the media. And by the way, like we didn't have enough reason to have no respect for Cassie? LOL! ... |
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 23, 2021 23:27:25 GMT -7
Sorry about the glitch.
The way I see McDavid vs Matthews is that McDavid is the best. Toronto media is like the mosquito that keeps coming or the crow on the lamp post in front of my yard about to get nailed by a nice round stone from my slingshot. Matthews is the crow who squawks in pain after realizing that it's post was not a safe resting place. McDavids problem is that he is not a greedy American and looks to share more than he needs to. He should shoot more to please Americans. I am truly sorry for my response to this post. I think that the Toronto response is total bullshit deserving of an Huberdeau response.
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Post by discostew on Feb 24, 2021 16:29:14 GMT -7
Obviously McDavid is better though.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 25, 2021 11:02:39 GMT -7
Anyone else Gag at the latest snet love letter to Auston this morning? www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/even-wrist-injury-maple-leafs-matthews-keeps-historic-run-going/Seriously made me gag. We all know why his wrist hurts so much and it aint cos of slashing, more like Flashing aka Mr. underpants! I have no idea how he got 2 assists against calgary either, first goal was a free for all in front of the net! Guy has some serious talent and has become best pure goal scorer this season so far but when i see fluff pieces like this, I really hope he falls flat on his face and connor the oilers do a real number on him and leafs this weekend. We have our share of Homeboys in edm media but even Spector wouldnt wet himself as bad as this! |
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Feb 25, 2021 18:25:30 GMT -7
This comparison stuff only seems to flare up whenever Matthews goes on a streak or something, then eventually falls more to the wayside when things simmer down with Toronto's Great Hope. Remember his 4 goals in his first NHL game? Better yet, were you REMINDED of it? Again and again? Not bringing him down though, he IS an amazing goal scorer, and he seems to only be getting better. But McD is McD.
I have a friend who's Leafheaded and even he won't go there... although he did say he thought Connor looked like the Lucky Charms guy. I pointed out that Matthews had a 'pig nose' and that's why he has such a good nose for the net, and how he can root around in the corners for loose pucks...etc... When Austen started sporting that mustache of his, I asked "What the hell is that on his lip?"
"His truffle-duster!" my buddy replied, not missing a beat.
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 26, 2021 16:35:34 GMT -7
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Post by blackhawk216 on Mar 21, 2021 14:48:05 GMT -7
We always knew they were going to come. I've watched Auston play a lot. He was my consolation prize in our fantasy keeper league after HappyHappy got Connor first overall at the inaugural draft of our league. So I can weigh in, with comparisons that are all relative. As far as being a pure goal scorer, it's Matthews, no doubt. He can score from pretty much anywhere. Connor can rack em too. But let me put it this way. Ever notice how Connor is always along the right wall on the PP, and still sometimes looks for forced passes that aren't there even to the point of not taking prime one timers that are there? If he had Matthews' one-timer from that same spot, it'd be scary to think how much more godlike his production would be. Matthews is fast enough. But Connor is just S-tier above everyone else. On the other hand, Matthews can just bulldoze his way in once he's got an inside track. Both have improved at FOs, so I'll call this even. Matthews is a good enough passer. But again, as a matter of relative degree, he doesn't quite have Connor's vision and finesse in that regard. Now here's the point where I think the media, especially in TO, can't get their heads out of their holes. Making a massively big deal about Matthews being Selke-worthy in his defensive play. Fair enough, I've seen that he is conscientious about playing all three zones of the ice. What drives me up the wall is saying that it's to such a degree that the media suddenly starts putting out pieces and sound bytes about how it vaults him past Connor for best in the world or best in the league. Anybody who says Connor doesn't play defense has only seen his highlights. He watches the slot like a hawk, and often comes back right to his own goal when he needs to help out. And his speed allows him to do what needs to be done in all 200 feet of the ice. But hey, just my opinion. And apparently not worth a lot to the TO fanbase or a lot of the media. And by the way, like we didn't have enough reason to have no respect for Cassie? LOL! ... Here is the latest update: Mcdavid.....34 games......60 pts.....1.76 ppg......+15. Matthews...29 games......36 pts.....1.24 ppg......+8. No further comment required.
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Post by discostew on Mar 22, 2021 13:06:55 GMT -7
McDavid has a decent chance to lead in goals assists and points at season's end.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 22, 2021 16:49:34 GMT -7
After complaints sent via PM to the moderating team concerned with the political correctness of the posts (or lack thereof), several posts have been removed from this thread.
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Post by toley on Mar 22, 2021 18:46:32 GMT -7
After complaints sent via PM to the moderating team concerned with the political correctness of the posts (or lack thereof), several posts have been removed from this thread. Why was mine? I commented on the scoring race. |
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Post by sharptooth on Mar 22, 2021 18:47:26 GMT -7
After complaints sent via PM to the moderating team concerned with the political correctness of the posts (or lack thereof), several posts have been removed from this thread. Why was mine? I commented on the scoring race. Your not allowed to do that. You should know that by now lol. |
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Post by toley on Mar 22, 2021 18:51:40 GMT -7
Why was mine? I commented on the scoring race. Your not allowed to do that. You should know that by now lol. Apparently not, I guess 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by yuke on Mar 22, 2021 20:31:34 GMT -7
Mathews is one heck of a player. How or why did the Leafs not sign him to an eight year contract is beyond me.
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 22, 2021 20:33:22 GMT -7
Mathews is one heck of a player. How or why did the Leafs not sign him to an eight year contract is beyond me. And, Dubas gave him that huge money that goes right up to his UFA year....so weird.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 22, 2021 21:38:37 GMT -7
After complaints sent via PM to the moderating team concerned with the political correctness of the posts (or lack thereof), several posts have been removed from this thread. Why was mine? I commented on the scoring race. Why was mine? I commented on the scoring race. Your not allowed to do that. You should know that by now lol. Your not allowed to do that. You should know that by now lol. Apparently not, I guess 🤷🏻♀️ Everybody the posts were removed as they contained quoted text from the original removed posts, or had reference to what was said. Apologies to anybody taking offense to the removal of posts that contained relevant informatio
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