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Post by yuke on Mar 10, 2021 0:20:06 GMT -7
No matter how you look at it, we need a talent equal or better than Nuge. Oilers cannot afford going into next year without such player. If you must overpay by a million then pay it we are very tight to the cap as is, and he isn't the only one that needs to get a contract, notably Larrsson, koekoek, Haas, Ennis etc... they aren't going to want to sign for less than their contract they get now and will be wanting raises. If we let them walk we have to replace them and likely pay considerably more. Like it or not, RNH will have to take the same contract or less, or he will be moved in all likelihood, or he will walk. I may be wrong, but unless we see quick drastic changes to the salary cap as set by the NHL, RNH will not be seeing a raise by this organization. Larson is possibly the only one that isn't easy to get a copy of. The others, dime a dozen. |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 10, 2021 0:21:54 GMT -7
we are very tight to the cap as is, and he isn't the only one that needs to get a contract, notably Larrsson, koekoek, Haas, Ennis etc... they aren't going to want to sign for less than their contract they get now and will be wanting raises. If we let them walk we have to replace them and likely pay considerably more. Like it or not, RNH will have to take the same contract or less, or he will be moved in all likelihood, or he will walk. I may be wrong, but unless we see quick drastic changes to the salary cap as set by the NHL, RNH will not be seeing a raise by this organization. Larson is possibly the only one that isn't easy to get a copy of. The others, dime a dozen. If Lagesson can continue (and improve) the way he was playing before he got injured, then Larsson becomes a little more expendable. Not completely though. Lags plays a good, steady shutdown game like Larsson, but lacks the edge Larsson has. If Lags can gain that edge, then we have Larsson 2.0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by yuke on Mar 10, 2021 0:38:51 GMT -7
Larson is possibly the only one that isn't easy to get a copy of. The others, dime a dozen. If Lagesson can continue (and improve) the way he was playing before he got injured, then Larsson becomes a little more expendable. Not completely though. Lags plays a good, steady shutdown game like Larsson, but lacks the edge Larsson has. If Lags can gain that edge, then we have Larsson 2.0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk True, but isn't Lagesson a lefty, which gives him a slight disadvantage. |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 10, 2021 0:40:01 GMT -7
If Lagesson can continue (and improve) the way he was playing before he got injured, then Larsson becomes a little more expendable. Not completely though. Lags plays a good, steady shutdown game like Larsson, but lacks the edge Larsson has. If Lags can gain that edge, then we have Larsson 2.0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk True, but isn't Lagesson a lefty, which gives him a slight disadvantage. Not necessarily. A Lagesson-Bouchard pairing could be nice, at least until Bouchard grows more. Lags takes care of the shutdown D, Bouchard takes care of the offensive D. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 10, 2021 8:07:40 GMT -7
we are very tight to the cap as is, and he isn't the only one that needs to get a contract, notably Larrsson, koekoek, Haas, Ennis etc... they aren't going to want to sign for less than their contract they get now and will be wanting raises. If we let them walk we have to replace them and likely pay considerably more. Like it or not, RNH will have to take the same contract or less, or he will be moved in all likelihood, or he will walk. I may be wrong, but unless we see quick drastic changes to the salary cap as set by the NHL, RNH will not be seeing a raise by this organization. Larson is possibly the only one that isn't easy to get a copy of. The others, dime a dozen.I fail to see how RNH isn't.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 10, 2021 9:04:27 GMT -7
I agree and Disagree Bronc. I don't think RNH will see a raise from this Organisation, but there's no way the players you listed should expect a raise either. In fact with the cap almost certainly flat this year and next, those guys will be in the same boat as many players last year in free agency, ie, taking a healthy haircut just to stay in the NHL. All are peripheral players and can be easily replaced. Larsson is more than peripheral but he's not getting $4M+ from anyone inc us. If they want to try their luck and get more on the open market, i wish them the best of luck but they're all easily replaceable IMO. I'm expecting more bargains to be had this off-season like Barrie and Turris (not that they are head turners), but most of us would agree, we would not normally be able to sign them at those discount prices before covid.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 10, 2021 9:35:02 GMT -7
I agree and Disagree Bronc. I don't think RNH will see a raise from this Organisation, but there's no way the players you listed should expect a raise either. In fact with the cap almost certainly flat this year and next, those guys will be in the same boat as many players last year in free agency, ie, taking a healthy haircut just to stay in the NHL. All are peripheral players and can be easily replaced. Larsson is more than peripheral but he's not getting $4M+ from anyone inc us. If they want to try their luck and get more on the open market, i wish them the best of luck but they're all easily replaceable IMO. I'm expecting more bargains to be had this off-season like Barrie and Turris (not that they are head turners), but most of us would agree, we would not normally be able to sign them at those discount prices before covid. The thing is though those guys aside from Larsson are all on VERY cheap contracts. Koekoek 850K, Ennis 1M, Haas 915K... Dime a dozen, yes. Finding other guys to replace them for the same cap risking that they fit in at all... not such an easy task. That's why teams prefer to re-sign players that they know work with the roster. These guys while cheap and likely easy to replace are not going to want to sign for less or even what they get paid now, they are on very cheap contracts. I agree about RNH, he won't see a raise. But that means we might see the end of his time here if he thinks he is worth more.
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Post by discostew on Mar 10, 2021 9:43:03 GMT -7
Bronco I don't think any of the 4 guys you mentioned will get raises in the off season, maybe Koekkek(didn't bother to check spelling) if we try to sign him 2 years he might get a little bump. But I doubt the cap goes up at all. Seattle will free a little cap but I think most teams are still going to be conservative this next off season.
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Post by discostew on Mar 10, 2021 9:45:10 GMT -7
Sorry I see someone else basically said what I just said.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 10, 2021 9:58:54 GMT -7
Sorry I see someone else basically said what I just said. yup, i don't disagree, my point was to show that RNH isn't the only guy going to UFA this season and if they start throwing out money those guys will be putting up their hands as well. That being said, because they are UFA they can leave to whatever team they want and if the Oilers want to keep them they will have no choice but to pay more. How much more is the question, it depends on what they get offered from other teams if anything at all. We have cap relief coming this offseason. almost 2.5 million in buyout money finally coming back, one of the goaltenders will be gone (they didn't pick up Stalock and are now looking at Elvis for no reason at all) that will be another either 4.5 or 2 coming back. I'm thinking Chiasson and his 2.5 will be gone, JJK and his 1.5. They have to sign Yamamoto as his ELC expires as well.. but there will be SOME money. It is going to be interesting times for sure.
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Post by onebit on Mar 10, 2021 11:14:24 GMT -7
Very interesting listening to Drai's pre-game presser today. When asked about leadership, he talked about "looking up to guys who have been there, done that and who have WON in this league". What most caught my attention was his tonality and body language. Compared to his usual monotone, scripted answers, his voice and movements were significantly more animated.
When some here mentioned Ryan Getzlaf I sort of scoffed at the idea but hearing Leon shifted my thinking quite a hit. He, or a player like him, might actually be a piece that gets this team to that next level. What do you think?
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 10, 2021 12:01:17 GMT -7
Very interesting listening to Drai's pre-game presser today. When asked about leadership, he talked about "looking up to guys who have been there, done that and who have WON in this league". What most caught my attention was his tonality and body language. Compared to his usual monotone, scripted answers, his voice and movements were significantly more animated. When some here mentioned Ryan Getzlaf I sort of scoffed at the idea but hearing Leon shifted my thinking quite a hit. He, or a player like him, might actually be a piece that gets this team to that next level. What do you think? I mentioned Getz. A player like Getz would be an IDEAL 3C for any playoff team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by yuke on Mar 10, 2021 12:03:36 GMT -7
Larson is possibly the only one that isn't easy to get a copy of. The others, dime a dozen.I fail to see how RNH isn't. I was going off his list. Nuge is a priority |
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Post by drtaf on Mar 11, 2021 10:19:50 GMT -7
Very interesting listening to Drai's pre-game presser today. When asked about leadership, he talked about "looking up to guys who have been there, done that and who have WON in this league". What most caught my attention was his tonality and body language. Compared to his usual monotone, scripted answers, his voice and movements were significantly more animated. When some here mentioned Ryan Getzlaf I sort of scoffed at the idea but hearing Leon shifted my thinking quite a hit. He, or a player like him, might actually be a piece that gets this team to that next level. What do you think? I mentioned Getz. A player like Getz would be an IDEAL 3C for any playoff team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think you also mentioned Staal and of the 2, I think Staal is more realistic and also may be better fit? (He worked well behind Crosby and Malkin if I recall;-). Murray was just quoted as saying Getz is a legacy player (16 yrs) and not going anywhere unless he comes to me and says he wants out
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 11, 2021 10:22:02 GMT -7
I mentioned Getz. A player like Getz would be an IDEAL 3C for any playoff team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think you also mentioned Staal and of the 2, I think Staal is more realistic and also may be better fit? (He worked well behind Crosby and Malkin if I recall;-). Murray was just quoted as saying Getz is a legacy player (16 yrs) and not going anywhere unless he comes to me and says he wants out We were talking about Eric Staal, not Jordan Staal. Jordan played in Pitts, Eric beat us in the 06 Stanley Cup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by discostew on Mar 11, 2021 11:16:45 GMT -7
Staal would come in for leadership help solidify our 3rd line. And put up around .5 ppg hopefully. But almost every playoff team could use Eric Staal so while I'll be happy if we get him I see him probably staying in States. He has a 10 team trade list my guess is the 7 Canadian teams are on it. Unless he wants to 2 week vacation/quarantine.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 11, 2021 13:42:33 GMT -7
I think you also mentioned Staal and of the 2, I think Staal is more realistic and also may be better fit? (He worked well behind Crosby and Malkin if I recall;-). Murray was just quoted as saying Getz is a legacy player (16 yrs) and not going anywhere unless he comes to me and says he wants out We were talking about Eric Staal, not Jordan Staal. Jordan played in Pitts, Eric beat us in the 06 Stanley Cup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My bad, I got staaled there! mind you, i wouldn't mind either jordon or eric  jordon would likely cost a lot more though 
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 11, 2021 21:58:06 GMT -7
We were talking about Eric Staal, not Jordan Staal. Jordan played in Pitts, Eric beat us in the 06 Stanley Cup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My bad, I got staaled there! mind you, i wouldn't mind either jordon or eric jordon would likely cost a lot more though the way jordan is playing this year you'd have to pry him out of Brindamours cold dead fingers
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jordon would likely cost a lot more though 
