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Post by mrtea on Jul 12, 2021 16:08:06 GMT -7
If Edmonton was Keith's first choice that is good for two reasons. First he'll be a motivated player and second he probably wants a shot at playing with mcDavid and Draisaitl. The influence Keith will have on Bear and Bouchard and all the young D coming up will be worth a lot alone. This is not Ference we're talking about here.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 12, 2021 16:12:24 GMT -7
Keith and Tim Soderlund
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Post by drtaf on Jul 12, 2021 16:17:59 GMT -7
unless more to the trade is a 2nd coming our way or Neal going their's, this is a horrible trade no other way to put it (we are once again a laughing stock). Not much more to say on this TBH, the cap hit is $5.5M for 2 more years, so even if KH has conned Kraken into taking Neal, he's negated any benefit of that move with this, for what? so keith can play happy families? I just dont get it? Kh held all the cards. keith wanted to only come here and given his service to Chi, they were more or less obligated to oblige him no matter what. instead Bowman takes KH to cleaners and will use most of this cap saving to get Seth Jones now that his brother is also there. so we get a washed up keith and they get a stud D-man on par or better than Nurse and we basically pay for it, all the while we now have to find cap for our "Nurse contract"? Kh does know Chi is in our conf and he has just made them sig better while using up $5.5M of cap that could have been used significantly better elsewhere? As for his intangibles, TO, MTL and everyone else pays min wage for Vets with intangibles, they dont pay 1st lline wages, that's a mugs game and KH has just proven to be the biggest mug since PC, go figure? I concur, why are we always on the wrong end of trade deals? A. because we hire past-their-prime GMS who dont have a clue how today's NHL works!
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Post by neufab94 on Jul 12, 2021 16:28:12 GMT -7
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Post by mrtea on Jul 12, 2021 16:33:00 GMT -7
unless more to the trade is a 2nd coming our way or Neal going their's, this is a horrible trade no other way to put it (we are once again a laughing stock). Not much more to say on this TBH, the cap hit is $5.5M for 2 more years, so even if KH has conned Kraken into taking Neal, he's negated any benefit of that move with this, for what? so keith can play happy families? I just dont get it? Kh held all the cards. keith wanted to only come here and given his service to Chi, they were more or less obligated to oblige him no matter what. instead Bowman takes KH to cleaners and will use most of this cap saving to get Seth Jones now that his brother is also there. so we get a washed up keith and they get a stud D-man on par or better than Nurse and we basically pay for it, all the while we now have to find cap for our "Nurse contract"? Kh does know Chi is in our conf and he has just made them sig better while using up $5.5M of cap that could have been used significantly better elsewhere? As for his intangibles, TO, MTL and everyone else pays min wage for Vets with intangibles, they dont pay 1st lline wages, that's a mugs game and KH has just proven to be the biggest mug since PC, go figure? I concur, why are we always on the wrong end of trade deals? A. because we hire past-their-prime GMS who dont have a clue how today's NHL works! In todays NHL how is a cap hit of 5.5 mil 1st line wages when top defenders are making 8,9 and 10 mil cap hit salaries? That's his cap hit, his actual salary is much less. If we thought we were getting a #1 D then yes we were fleeced, but Holland added depth. Also if Keith is so washed up, why did he lead Chicago in total ice time minutes? I think before you compare Holland to PC, ,let's at least wait to see how he plays. Don't forget many of us wanted to give up on Puljujarvi, but Holland being a good GM wanted to give him another shot before giving up on him. Were most of us fans right or was Holland right? If Keith is total garbage, I'll agree with you. Before I agree with you I want to see Keith play for the Oilers first.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 12, 2021 16:34:40 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure we aren't re-signing Barrie, he's bumped his value now and will go play where he wants, so his cap plus Caleb Jones = 4.5 million vs. Keith's 5.5M. Not such a bad trade off IMO. What we need to remember is we are not just acquiring Keith for his playing talents, it's for his mentorship, leadership, and ability to teach our young core.
People in Chicago are pissed for a reason, they literally got nothing back for a defender considered one of the top 3 or 4 best defensemen in blackhawks history, the second highest scoring D-man in their history, and one of the greatest leaders in their history. You guys we made out very well on this trade. Slightly high on the cap hit, but we gave basically nothing back to get him and have finally acquired somebody who can lead by example to a young D core that has been riddled with costly mistakes.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 12, 2021 16:36:11 GMT -7
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Post by mrtea on Jul 12, 2021 16:44:24 GMT -7
I hope it turns to a 2nd round pick. That means we went to the Cup final and Keith has to have played top four minutes or it stays a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd round pick for that.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 12, 2021 16:46:23 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure we aren't re-signing Barrie, he's bumped his value now and will go play where he wants, so his cap plus Caleb Jones = 4.5 million vs. Keith's 5.5M. Not such a bad trade off IMO. What we need to remember is we are not just acquiring Keith for his playing talents, it's for his mentorship, leadership, and ability to teach our young core. People in Chicago are pissed for a reason, they literally got nothing back for a defender considered one of the top 3 or 4 best defensemen in blackhawks history, the second highest scoring D-man in their history, and one of the greatest leaders in their history. You guys we made out very well on this trade. Slightly high on the cap hit, but we gave basically nothing back to get him and have finally acquired somebody who can lead by example to a young D core that has been riddled with costly mistakes. Keith will be a great mentor to Bouchard, Bear, and Broberg. |
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Post by easternoilslick on Jul 12, 2021 16:53:07 GMT -7
I like the idea of getting Keith but too high of a cap hit and I think he's too old. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by yuke on Jul 12, 2021 17:01:02 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure we aren't re-signing Barrie, he's bumped his value now and will go play where he wants, so his cap plus Caleb Jones = 4.5 million vs. Keith's 5.5M. Not such a bad trade off IMO. What we need to remember is we are not just acquiring Keith for his playing talents, it's for his mentorship, leadership, and ability to teach our young core. People in Chicago are pissed for a reason, they literally got nothing back for a defender considered one of the top 3 or 4 best defensemen in blackhawks history, the second highest scoring D-man in their history, and one of the greatest leaders in their history. You guys we made out very well on this trade. Slightly high on the cap hit, but we gave basically nothing back to get him and have finally acquired somebody who can lead by example to a young D core that has been riddled with costly mistakes. Russell is also making 2.5 mill less this year |
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Post by drtaf on Jul 12, 2021 17:02:57 GMT -7
I hope it turns to a 2nd round pick. That means we went to the Cup final and Keith has to have played top four minutes or it stays a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd round pick for that. If that condition does kick in then I’ll admit I’m wrong about this trade but I’ve drunk the koolaid before and it left a bitter sour taste in my mouth so I don’t see any positives from this trade. Yes I’m sure Keith will be a great mentor for our young D but other teams are paying min wage for mentors and you may be right T that $5.5M is no longer 1st line D salary but that’s semantics, I could say chi will end up getting Seth Jones this year for $5.4M this season! I know which D I’d rather have! |
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Post by tincup61 on Jul 12, 2021 17:05:08 GMT -7
If all the above happens you may have given up the 63rd overall pick but it also means you’ve had a pretty successful year and made the finals at least. Maybe even won. Not so bad.
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Post by discostew on Jul 12, 2021 17:07:34 GMT -7
Chicago wasnt a great team last year.
Keith makes us better, he also isnt going to play 23 minutes next season.
Probably a great outlet pass.
And no offense to Jones but hes still a lottery ticket on whether he'll be anything other then a fringe Nhler i wish him the best though.
Also i bet Mcdavid likes this trade.
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Post by tincup61 on Jul 12, 2021 17:09:28 GMT -7
A question. How would you guys describe Tippett’s defensive system,…zone, man-to-man, a hybrid version?
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Post by BoomnotBust on Jul 12, 2021 17:27:40 GMT -7
Just one thing to add - you need to think of this as if it's your money - his cap is 5.54 per year, but that's not what Katz is paying him. It's like Lucic in reverse. We (Katz) is paying about 3.6M of his salary based on how the contract was structured (top heavy). So yes, the CAP is 5.5, but Katz will now be paying 2M below for cap team. Good business deal for him. That being said, it would have been nice if we didn't have to give up the mid round pick - Jones with full salary retention should have been enough IMO. So the Oilers lose about 7 mil in cap space over 2 seasons plus Jones and a pick. Hope Chicago at least provided the KY. Bingo. Katz wins in the deal not the Oilers. To give up any sort of asset, Chicago definitely should have retained salary. Oilers had leverage as Keith wanted to come here. Not that I think Jones will ever amount to much at the NHL level but maybe he could have been the expansion pick and never should have gave up a draft pick for a way overpaid player.
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Post by mrtea on Jul 12, 2021 17:29:48 GMT -7
I hope it turns to a 2nd round pick. That means we went to the Cup final and Keith has to have played top four minutes or it stays a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd round pick for that. If that condition does kick in then I’ll admit I’m wrong about this trade but I’ve drunk the koolaid before and it left a bitter sour taste in my mouth so I don’t see any positives from this trade. Yes I’m sure Keith will be a great mentor for our young D but other teams are paying min wage for mentors and you may be right T that $5.5M is no longer 1st line D salary but that’s semantics, I could say chi will end up getting Seth Jones this year for $5.4M this season! I know which D I’d rather have! Chicago has yet to acquire Seth Jones. They will have to pay a pretty hefty price to get him. That sematic of $5.4M is only for one season. Then they have to resign him, it won't be for $5.4m and we both know it. So you can play this anyway you want to. The fact remains $5.5 is not 1st line wages and me thinks thou dost protest too much. At the moment you would prefer Seth Jones, but we have Nurse and can you honestly say you know how good Nurse is going to be? We cannot try to acquire Jones, it is not realistic in a cap league to have two #1 D's, so we stay with Nurse and let Chicago do their own thing.
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Post by yuke on Jul 12, 2021 17:56:02 GMT -7
I hope it turns to a 2nd round pick. That means we went to the Cup final and Keith has to have played top four minutes or it stays a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd round pick for that. If that condition does kick in then I’ll admit I’m wrong about this trade but I’ve drunk the koolaid before and it left a bitter sour taste in my mouth so I don’t see any positives from this trade. Yes I’m sure Keith will be a great mentor for our young D but other teams are paying min wage for mentors and you may be right T that $5.5M is no longer 1st line D salary but that’s semantics, I could say chi will end up getting Seth Jones this year for $5.4M this season! I know which D I’d rather have! To get Seth the Jackets would want a player(s) back. Oilers cannot afford to lose anyone from their roster or a 1st rounder for that matter. |
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Post by brolo on Jul 12, 2021 17:57:50 GMT -7
Ottawa hires Pierre McGuire today and somehow the Oilers are still the laughing stock of the NHL.
Regardless of who the GM is, not much changes in Oil Country. I was looking forward to an off-season with money to spend, but not anymore. It’s almost all gone now anyway!
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Post by drtaf on Jul 12, 2021 18:06:39 GMT -7
If that condition does kick in then I’ll admit I’m wrong about this trade but I’ve drunk the koolaid before and it left a bitter sour taste in my mouth so I don’t see any positives from this trade. Yes I’m sure Keith will be a great mentor for our young D but other teams are paying min wage for mentors and you may be right T that $5.5M is no longer 1st line D salary but that’s semantics, I could say chi will end up getting Seth Jones this year for $5.4M this season! I know which D I’d rather have! Chicago has yet to acquire Seth Jones. They will have to pay a pretty hefty price to get him. That sematic of $5.4M is only for one season. Then they have to resign him, it won't be for $5.4m and we both know it. So you can play this anyway you want to. The fact remains $5.5 is not 1st line wages and me thinks thou dost protest too much. At the moment you would prefer Seth Jones, but we have Nurse and can you honestly say you know how good Nurse is going to be? We cannot try to acquire Jones, it is not realistic in a cap league to have two #1 D's, so we stay with Nurse and let Chicago do their own thing. It’s all irrelevant T, just like some trying to justify this trade by saying it’s ok because we don’t have barrie’s cap hit and Russell only costs 1.2 now? These things have nothing to do with this trade. The simple facts are: Kh traded for a 38 yr old washed up D man with a $5.5m cap hit who has a nmc clause which means he must be protected meaning another valuable asset has to be unprotected . For this “privalage” we give chi a young nhl Dman who was touted to be top 4 by most only a year ago and although his play slipped a fair bit this year, we have seen first hand (nurse), it can take 400+ games for a dman to hit his stride. Laughably, we also gave up a third maybe even a 2nd, should we make the cup final “in spite of” Keith’s albatross contract. When rumours of this trade 1st appeared, I said unless they give us a pick and eat half his salary, kh should hang up the phone. No sorry, but no amount of koolaid will change my opinion |
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