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Post by drtaf on Jul 13, 2021 9:52:54 GMT -7
So Holland making the pick a conditional 2nd as opposed to an outright 2nd makes this a win?? I can honestly see that keith could become a great role model and leader for this team but for the life of me, I cannot see how anyone thinks this trade is a win for the oil. Every NHL team out there craves cap room, its the most valuable commodity. TO gave canes a 1st round pick to take 1yr of $6M Marleau salary and that was before the flat cap. Chara would be as good if not better than Keith and he went to caps for $2M as UFA. That is the max anyone pays for past cups, leadership and the so called "intangibles" (everyone else pays min wage- see Perry and a dozen other cup vets). Every team that wants another to eat a cap albatross adds the sweeteners but no KH not only does Chi a favor by taking the full cap hit, he throws in a few sweeteners as well, I hope bowman tossed in a tube of KY! I can't wait to see what KH gets for James Neal? roughly same cap hit and term left, went to SCF back to back with 2 different teams, good in locker room (as per McD) and "he" still thinks he's a top 6 forward, so he has all the intangibles plus he's 4 years younger and doesn't have an NMC. I'm expecting KH to get at least a good Forward prospect and a 2nd based on what everyone and KH's evaluation of player talent is. What's that you say MBM, we will likely have to throw in a real nice sweetener for the Kraken to eat that salary?? But Neal's Dog is homesick for his litter-mates and the the kennel he grew up in Seattle, surely the Kraken will take this into account and want a vet presence to guide them through their formative years, surely that's worth something?? Yeah right, didn't think so either! P.S. I wont hold my breath as I'll die of asphyxiation before that happens.
 š LOL! Me ranting and using Sarcasm is my way of taking a deep breath AO. i think I'm almost over it. I will say that my faith in KH is lost though. he has done a few questionable things but this one makes me a skeptic just like the hall trade made me skeptical that PC knew what he was doing. We may very well reach playoffs this year and even win a round as we are in a weak div (Same thing happened in PC's second year). then the proverbially 16-wheeler went off the cliff. hoping for a softer landing this time so the next GM actually has something left to play with.
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Post by yuke on Jul 13, 2021 10:17:17 GMT -7
I'm just curious because neither one of us knows for sure, but: If Bowman was pushing for Holland to give up a 2nd and Holland got Bowman to agree they get a 2nd if the Oilers make the Cup finals and Keith is playing top 4D minutes. Which one was playing old maid then?Ā So Holland making the pick a conditional 2nd as opposed to an outright 2nd makes this a win?? I can honestly see that keith could become a great role model and leader for this team but for the life of me, I cannot see how anyone thinks this trade is a win for the oil. Every NHL team out there craves cap room, its the most valuable commodity. TO gave canes a 1st round pick to take 1yr of $6M Marleau salary and that was before the flat cap. Chara would be as good if not better than Keith and he went to caps for $2M as UFA. That is the max anyone pays for past cups, leadership and the so called "intangibles" (everyone else pays min wage- see Perry and a dozen other cup vets). Every team that wants another to eat a cap albatross adds the sweeteners but no KH not only does Chi a favor by taking the full cap hit, he throws in a few sweeteners as well, I hope bowman tossed in a tube of KY! I can't wait to see what KH gets for James Neal? roughly same cap hit and term left, went to SCF back to back with 2 different teams, good in locker room (as per McD) and "he" still thinks he's a top 6 forward, so he has all the intangibles plus he's 4 years younger and doesn't have an NMC. I'm expecting KH to get at least a good Forward prospect and a 2nd based on what everyone and KH's evaluation of player talent is. What's that you say MBM, we will likely have to throw in a real nice sweetener for the Kraken to eat that salary?? But Neal's Dog is homesick for his litter-mates and the the kennel he grew up in Seattle, surely the Kraken will take this into account and want a vet presence to guide them through their formative years, surely that's worth something?? Yeah right, didn't think so either! P.S. I wont hold my breath as I'll die of asphyxiation before that happens.
Holland and staff obviously believe Keith is still a player, not just a role model. Keith played on a bad team the last few years, like Petry and Schultz did before going to Montreal and Pittsburgh. I don't trust analytics. I trust those who know the game and watch players. Keith is expensive but only here for 2 years. There isn't a free agent with his resume coming for less than 5? Do not count AA and Green in you Holland disappointment. He isn't the only GM that got caught with the Covid oops. |
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Post by yuke on Jul 13, 2021 10:43:42 GMT -7
I hope it turns to a 2nd round pick. That means we went to the Cup final and Keith has to have played top four minutes or it stays a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd round pick for that. I can see that point however I think the condition is useless and unnecessary.Ā No salary was retained thus hindering the AAV of the team so the fact that the Oilers are paying full price for a 38 year old player is enough.Ā There is no reason to do any favors for Chicago and yet KH gave them the Jones they wanted as a recruiting tool for the better Jones, he gave them the condition they wanted and should not have needed to, and he paid full price.Ā Furthermore, if Keith wanted to come to Edmonton why do the deal now instead of waiting for the expansion draft?Ā The trade itself is not very creative and still leaves us with the Neal and Russell contracts that should be removed before next season unless Holland is looking to build a seniors league team in which case he can still go after Chara and Thornton. Finally, you did not address my first point and that being the Oilers do not need another smallish winger prospect. Kraken would have picked up Keith for free, it was one of his choices. I'll answer the small winger question. They don't, but how many small prospects do we have, Yammy is not a prospect anymore. Kid had some good numbers in Europe but not so well in the AHL. |
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Post by igibb on Jul 13, 2021 11:00:05 GMT -7
So Holland making the pick a conditional 2nd as opposed to an outright 2nd makes this a win?? I can honestly see that keith could become a great role model and leader for this team but for the life of me, I cannot see how anyone thinks this trade is a win for the oil. Every NHL team out there craves cap room, its the most valuable commodity. TO gave canes a 1st round pick to take 1yr of $6M Marleau salary and that was before the flat cap. Chara would be as good if not better than Keith and he went to caps for $2M as UFA. That is the max anyone pays for past cups, leadership and the so called "intangibles" (everyone else pays min wage- see Perry and a dozen other cup vets). Every team that wants another to eat a cap albatross adds the sweeteners but no KH not only does Chi a favor by taking the full cap hit, he throws in a few sweeteners as well, I hope bowman tossed in a tube of KY! I can't wait to see what KH gets for James Neal? roughly same cap hit and term left, went to SCF back to back with 2 different teams, good in locker room (as per McD) and "he" still thinks he's a top 6 forward, so he has all the intangibles plus he's 4 years younger and doesn't have an NMC. I'm expecting KH to get at least a good Forward prospect and a 2nd based on what everyone and KH's evaluation of player talent is. What's that you say MBM, we will likely have to throw in a real nice sweetener for the Kraken to eat that salary?? But Neal's Dog is homesick for his litter-mates and the the kennel he grew up in Seattle, surely the Kraken will take this into account and want a vet presence to guide them through their formative years, surely that's worth something?? Yeah right, didn't think so either! P.S. I wont hold my breath as I'll die of asphyxiation before that happens.
Holland and staff obviously believe Keith is still a player, not just a role model. Keith played on a bad team the last few years, like Petry and Schultz did before going to Montreal and Pittsburgh. I don't trust analytics. I trust those who know the game and watch players. Keith is expensive but only here for 2 years. There isn't a free agent with his resume coming for less than 5? Do not count AA and Green in you Holland disappointment. He isn't the only GM that got caught with the Covid oops. I agree with analytics they can't be used as an end all be all evaluation of a player. Obviously a far different cap hit but nobody seemed very concerned that Devon Shores analytics were close to the worst on our team last year when he was resigned yet some guys seem to be treating them like the Holy Grail of judging a player when it comes to Keith. I think some are also losing the fact that even if Chicago retained the max it's $2.7 million and if we had had to fill that spot with someone else (which by the sounds of it is exactly what we would have had to do) it would have been even less extra available. They make it seem like all of that $5.4 million was going to be used to fix other issues and is now gone to do that with when the truth of the matter is most of it was probably going to a defenceman one way or another anyways. Interesting tid bit from Kurt Leavins article today when talking about players knowing if other players are good or not: And, in fact, I am told by someone close to the team that one member of the Oilers leadership group in particular texted from his late time-zone to say āHe (Keith) is exactly what we needā.
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Post by mrtea on Jul 13, 2021 11:24:11 GMT -7
I hope it turns to a 2nd round pick. That means we went to the Cup final and Keith has to have played top four minutes or it stays a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd round pick for that. I can see that point however I think the condition is useless and unnecessary. No salary was retained thus hindering the AAV of the team so the fact that the Oilers are paying full price for a 38 year old player is enough. There is no reason to do any favors for Chicago and yet KH gave them the Jones they wanted as a recruiting tool for the better Jones, he gave them the condition they wanted and should not have needed to, and he paid full price. Furthermore, if Keith wanted to come to Edmonton why do the deal now instead of waiting for the expansion draft? The trade itself is not very creative and still leaves us with the Neal and Russell contracts that should be removed before next season unless Holland is looking to build a seniors league team in which case he can still go after Chara and Thornton. Finally, you did not address my first point and that being the Oilers do not need another smallish winger prospect. All I'm trying to say is that it is not as bad as some are making it out to be. The post you are responding to was only pointing out that it would actually be better if we did give them a 2nd because that would mean we were in the cup final. Until I see Keith play I'm choosing to hope for the best case scenario. If you are right and he is washed up and Holland made a bad trade, I will admit it when I can see the evidence.
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Post by pillotte on Jul 13, 2021 11:30:32 GMT -7
š LOL! Me ranting and using Sarcasm is my way of taking a deep breath AO. i think I'm almost over it. I will say that my faith in KH is lost though. he has done a few questionable things but this one makes me a skeptic just like the hall trade made me skeptical that PC knew what he was doing. We may very well reach playoffs this year and even win a round as we are in a weak div (Same thing happened in PC's second year). then the proverbially 16-wheeler went off the cliff. hoping for a softer landing this time so the next GM actually has something left to play with. I have to assume you're referring to a weak division as the one of 2 years ago. If my memory serves me correctly our division THIS year went to the finals. Not sure now if they are going back to the old divisions this upcoming season or not.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 13, 2021 11:32:00 GMT -7
LOL! Me ranting and using Sarcasm is my way of taking a deep breath AO. i think I'm almost over it. I will say that my faith in KH is lost though. he has done a few questionable things but this one makes me a skeptic just like the hall trade made me skeptical that PC knew what he was doing. We may very well reach playoffs this year and even win a round as we are in a weak div (Same thing happened in PC's second year). then the proverbially 16-wheeler went off the cliff. hoping for a softer landing this time so the next GM actually has something left to play with. I have to assume you're referring to a weak division as the one of 2 years ago. If my memory serves me correctly our division THIS year went to the finals. Not sure now if they are going back to the old divisions this upcoming season or not. Iām pretty sure they are with one change. Seattle in the Pacific and Arizona moving to the Central. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by drtaf on Jul 13, 2021 11:53:11 GMT -7
yes I meant pacific, bettman said they will not do the CDN div again. i wrote earlier that i dont expect it to be weak for long, LA and ducks looking to greatly improve, no idea about sharks and although I dont think the kraken will be "vegas good", i expect them to be competitive right out of the gate. i'm assuming nucks and flames stay terrible that means we should make playoffs unless KH has another aneurism and wastes the last of our cap and goes back to our original goalie tandem. Stay tuned???
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Post by pillotte on Jul 13, 2021 12:03:00 GMT -7
Right now I don't have a problem with the Keith aquisition as yet. He brings an ingredient our D has been lacking. Along with his experience and knowledge he brings nastiness and a lot of it. Hopefully some of that will rub off on our existing D. Nurse was somewhat but not nearly that of Keith. Now I maybe thinking of the old Duncan Keith. Hopefully he continues to have that nastiness about him. Jones was a bit on the weak side and did have difficulty in front of the Oilers net. I'm not expecting Barrie back nor Klefbom although either would be nice. IMHO So far KH has done some good things with what he had inherited.
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Post by drtaf on Jul 13, 2021 12:27:35 GMT -7
We should call him "Dunkin" Keith as in the donuts, the way folks on here are trying to sugarcoat this LOL! Seriously, I have no problem with keith any more than I had with Larsson, I'm just looking at the trade as terrible asset management. whenever i see a trade i analyse 2 things: would other teams make this trade? and has a similar trade happened recently that dictates the kind of price given and received and in both cases I have to say the answer is NO! I dont see other teams posting Gee I wish we could have got Keith for a prospect and pick, and I cant think of any seriously aging vet on a big cap hit that wasn't traded with some kind of sweetener going to the team receiving the cap hit? what catapults this trade from bad to terrible is that KH held all the cards and yet he's the one doing the big favor? and secondly, i dont know why this was done before expansion forcing us to leave some other asset available for Kraken to pick? Odds were kraken would have likely taken jones and I'd have said small price to pay (btw Jones for Soderland is essentially a wash so the trade is really keith for a 3rd) now someone else gets taken. the irony, if the rumour is true, is that they will take Neal, but in order to do that Kh is going to have to throw in a pretty big sweetener for that to happen, likely at least a 2nd. We shall see? when you're not wearing copper and blue glasses, the optics of this trade look terrible. now we just have to hope and prey KH can mitigate it somehow and indeed move neal and kosk so that we have some cap space to fill the many large holes that are still showing on this club.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 13, 2021 12:31:33 GMT -7
We should call him "Dunkin" Keith as in the donuts, the way folks on here are trying to sugarcoat this LOL! Seriously, I have no problem with keith any more than I had with Larsson, I'm just looking at the trade as terrible asset management. whenever i see a trade i analyse 2 things: would other teams make this trade? and has a similar trade happened recently that dictates the kind of price given and received and in both cases I have to say the answer is NO! I dont see other teams posting Gee I wish we could have got Keith for a prospect and pick, and I cant think of any seriously aging vet on a big cap hit that wasn't traded with some kind of sweetener going to the team receiving the cap hit? what catapults this trade from bad to terrible is that KH held all the cards and yet he's the one doing the big favor? and secondly, i dont know why this was done before expansion forcing us to leave some other asset available for Kraken to pick? Odds were kraken would have likely taken jones and I'd have said small price to pay (btw Jones for Soderland is essentially a wash so the trade is really keith for a 3rd) now someone else gets taken. the irony, if the rumour is true, is that they will take Neal, but in order to do that Kh is going to have to throw in a pretty big sweetener for that to happen, likely at least a 2nd. We shall see? when you're not wearing copper and blue glasses, the optics of this trade look terrible. now we just have to hope and prey KH can mitigate it somehow and indeed move neal and kosk so that we have some cap space to fill the many large holes that are still showing on this club. The only issue with the trade is Keithās cap hit. Jones is a bottom pairing Dman at best, and would have been pushed out of our lineup by the start of the 22-23 Season, likely by the end of the upcoming season. As a player, he brings more to the table than he takes away. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by neufab94 on Jul 13, 2021 12:53:25 GMT -7
We should call him "Dunkin" Keith as in the donuts, the way folks on here are trying to sugarcoat this LOL! Seriously, I have no problem with keith any more than I had with Larsson, I'm just looking at the trade as terrible asset management. whenever i see a trade i analyse 2 things: would other teams make this trade? and has a similar trade happened recently that dictates the kind of price given and received and in both cases I have to say the answer is NO! I dont see other teams posting Gee I wish we could have got Keith for a prospect and pick, and I cant think of any seriously aging vet on a big cap hit that wasn't traded with some kind of sweetener going to the team receiving the cap hit? what catapults this trade from bad to terrible is that KH held all the cards and yet he's the one doing the big favor? and secondly, i dont know why this was done before expansion forcing us to leave some other asset available for Kraken to pick? Odds were kraken would have likely taken jones and I'd have said small price to pay (btw Jones for Soderland is essentially a wash so the trade is really keith for a 3rd) now someone else gets taken. the irony, if the rumour is true, is that they will take Neal, but in order to do that Kh is going to have to throw in a pretty big sweetener for that to happen, likely at least a 2nd. We shall see? when you're not wearing copper and blue glasses, the optics of this trade look terrible. now we just have to hope and prey KH can mitigate it somehow and indeed move neal and kosk so that we have some cap space to fill the many large holes that are still showing on this club. Another thing no-one has mentioned is that, 1st round sweep aside, the defense was actually a positive development for the Oilers this previous season which received a fair bit of conversation on this very forum. What puzzles me is that the fan frustration recently was with underperforming veteran depth forwards, namely, Neal, Ennis, and Turris making it was clear there are glaring holes on the Oilers bottom 6. The hope for many fans was that Holland would shed cap space by removing older players that are not contributing - including Koskinen and Russell - to resign Larsson and key player, Nurse, and also bring in a solid LW to play along side McDavid. I actually like "Dunkin" Keith, LOL, but I agree with drtaf that the trade is a terrible asset management and the trade goes against the goal of shedding cap space and improving the forward corp. Now that it is done, the next moves by Holland are much more important.
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Post by pillotte on Jul 13, 2021 12:57:02 GMT -7
We should call him "Dunkin" Keith as in the donuts, the way folks on here are trying to sugarcoat this LOL! Seriously, I have no problem with keith any more than I had with Larsson, I'm just looking at the trade as terrible asset management. whenever i see a trade i analyse 2 things: would other teams make this trade? and has a similar trade happened recently that dictates the kind of price given and received and in both cases I have to say the answer is NO! I dont see other teams posting Gee I wish we could have got Keith for a prospect and pick, and I cant think of any seriously aging vet on a big cap hit that wasn't traded with some kind of sweetener going to the team receiving the cap hit? what catapults this trade from bad to terrible is that KH held all the cards and yet he's the one doing the big favor? and secondly, i dont know why this was done before expansion forcing us to leave some other asset available for Kraken to pick? Odds were kraken would have likely taken jones and I'd have said small price to pay (btw Jones for Soderland is essentially a wash so the trade is really keith for a 3rd) now someone else gets taken. the irony, if the rumour is true, is that they will take Neal, but in order to do that Kh is going to have to throw in a pretty big sweetener for that to happen, likely at least a 2nd. We shall see? when you're not wearing copper and blue glasses, the optics of this trade look terrible. now we just have to hope and prey KH can mitigate it somehow and indeed move neal and kosk so that we have some cap space to fill the many large holes that are still showing on this club. First of all unless you were in the room or by some other means knew what went on you don't know of the "other" teams interest. Keith would have had a NMC in his contract. The Oilers were his best bet for 2 reasons that come to mind 1) closer to his family 2) a team that has the best chance at winning the Cup. If Keith didn't come what D would we have left because Barrie won't be back and Klefbom is highly questionable. OK so now we are left with (experienced) Larsson, Nurse, Bear, Koekoek, Russell, Legasson /(little experience) Bouchard / (no experience) Broberg Of that list we have one 1st lineD in possibly Nurse. At least adding Keith we have some depth in our D along with experience and that tangible ingredient NASTINESS. Hopefully KH adds an addition experienced D.
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Post by igibb on Jul 13, 2021 13:07:33 GMT -7
I am curious who everyone thought was playing on our left side after Nurse this year and how we were going to magically fill that hole without spending money or assets?
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 13, 2021 13:14:16 GMT -7
I am curious who everyone thought was playing on our left side after Nurse this year and how we were going to magically fill that hole without spending money or assets? I was pencilling in a UFA, but if I were to pick someone without acquiring someone else.. hmmā¦ is Koekkoek allowed even though heās a UFA now? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by windsoroiler on Jul 13, 2021 13:19:12 GMT -7
Not a fan, will leave it at that due to money, the 3rd round pick should have equalled retained salary
Suter and Parise are expected to be bought out. Wouldn't mind either player on the cheap
Larson is not a sure bet and klef will be out this season as well.
My suggestion is to add a top lw and give some of the young guys a chance. McLeod, Holloway, Benson. This is the Tampa model of drafting, developing and giving young players a chance. Caulfield did fine, no reason why Hollaway can't. We'll see come training camp
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Post by AlwaysOil on Jul 13, 2021 14:08:15 GMT -7
Just saw this in comments on oilersnation:
āRagtime
6h
Hawks fan here, I went on here to see how you all felt about the trade, ive watched damn near every Hawks game for the last 3 years. Duncan's overstated decline has more to do with Jeremy colliton system and the lack of talent around him than anything else. Dude can still play. On the bright side you all have set your expectations so low you should certainly be pleased with the outcome.ā
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Post by drtaf on Jul 13, 2021 14:09:06 GMT -7
We should call him "Dunkin" Keith as in the donuts, the way folks on here are trying to sugarcoat this LOL! Seriously, I have no problem with keith any more than I had with Larsson, I'm just looking at the trade as terrible asset management. whenever i see a trade i analyse 2 things: would other teams make this trade? and has a similar trade happened recently that dictates the kind of price given and received and in both cases I have to say the answer is NO! I dont see other teams posting Gee I wish we could have got Keith for a prospect and pick, and I cant think of any seriously aging vet on a big cap hit that wasn't traded with some kind of sweetener going to the team receiving the cap hit? what catapults this trade from bad to terrible is that KH held all the cards and yet he's the one doing the big favor? and secondly, i dont know why this was done before expansion forcing us to leave some other asset available for Kraken to pick? Odds were kraken would have likely taken jones and I'd have said small price to pay (btw Jones for Soderland is essentially a wash so the trade is really keith for a 3rd) now someone else gets taken. the irony, if the rumour is true, is that they will take Neal, but in order to do that Kh is going to have to throw in a pretty big sweetener for that to happen, likely at least a 2nd. We shall see? when you're not wearing copper and blue glasses, the optics of this trade look terrible. now we just have to hope and prey KH can mitigate it somehow and indeed move neal and kosk so that we have some cap space to fill the many large holes that are still showing on this club. The only issue with the trade is Keithās cap hit. Jones is a bottom pairing Dman at best, and would have been pushed out of our lineup by the start of the 22-23 Season, likely by the end of the upcoming season. As a player, he brings more to the table than he takes away. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 100% agree that this is all about cap hit since this is the most important asset in a flat cap world that will stay flat until after keith's contract expires. with this in mind, name me any 38yr old vet (or similar age) with a $5M+ cap hit (or similar) that has been traded for assets that hasnt had some of his cap retained? I honestly cant think of one? Put it another way, If Keith was to become a UFA this season, how much do you think any team would offer him salary-wise?? I'm guessing there would be several teams interested in him and it might even create a bidding war, but do you honestly think anyone would give him a $5M+ x 2yr contract? cos i dont! instead, we are on the hook for $5.4M for 2 yrs and we gave up a 3rd for the privilege(I'm ignoring Jones as people use him to deflect the argument)? What were CHI's other options? without KH bailing them out, their only other hope would be Seattle takes him in expansion so they get rid of the cap hit but then get nothing in return (but remember Keith has full NMC so would also have to agree to this and he could easily pull a Hall and say i only want to go to EDM and then Chi is Kuzmenkoed just like buffalo were). A reasonable trade would have been Keith to edmonton for a 3rd and Chi retains 50% salary. if they want to expand it to add jones for soderlund, knock themselves out, but the key as you correctly point out is the salary retention. that extra $2.7M would buy us a good 3-4th line UFA, or go considerably towards a top goalie or top 6 winger. Paying Keith $5.4M is the same as paying Russell $4M, its about $2.7M more than what they're worth. Russell is no longer a problem but he has now taken 2 steps back with this. same old same old oilers, 1 step forward, 2 steps back! Its been several decades since I could honestly say Wow! Edmonton sure fleeced that team! unfortunately its quite the opposite when It comes to people saying Wow, that team sure fleeced Edm! TBH I'm sick to death of hearing it and I'm not talking biased fan bases, I'm talking NHL insiders!
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Post by neufab94 on Jul 13, 2021 14:11:24 GMT -7
I am curious who everyone thought was playing on our left side after Nurse this year and how we were going to magically fill that hole without spending money or assets? What I thought the D might look like a couple of weeks ago: LD - Nurse - Koekkoek or Kulikov (keep 1 of the 2) - Lagesson - Broberg/UFA RD - Bear - Larsson - Bouchard - UFA (the likely loss of Barrie hinders the depth on the right side)
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Post by igibb on Jul 13, 2021 15:01:54 GMT -7
The only issue with the trade is Keithās cap hit. Jones is a bottom pairing Dman at best, and would have been pushed out of our lineup by the start of the 22-23 Season, likely by the end of the upcoming season. As a player, he brings more to the table than he takes away. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 100% agree that this is all about cap hit since this is the most important asset in a flat cap world that will stay flat until after keith's contract expires. with this in mind, name me any 38yr old vet (or similar age) with a $5M+ cap hit (or similar) that has been traded for assets that hasnt had some of his cap retained? I honestly cant think of one? Put it another way, If Keith was to become a UFA this season, how much do you think any team would offer him salary-wise?? I'm guessing there would be several teams interested in him and it might even create a bidding war, but do you honestly think anyone would give him a $5M+ x 2yr contract? cos i dont! instead, we are on the hook for $5.4M for 2 yrs and we gave up a 3rd for the privilege(I'm ignoring Jones as people use him to deflect the argument)? What were CHI's other options? without KH bailing them out, their only other hope would be Seattle takes him in expansion so they get rid of the cap hit but then get nothing in return (but remember Keith has full NMC so would also have to agree to this and he could easily pull a Hall and say i only want to go to EDM and then Chi is Flames sucked just like buffalo were). A reasonable trade would have been Keith to edmonton for a 3rd and Chi retains 50% salary. if they want to expand it to add jones for soderlund, knock themselves out, but the key as you correctly point out is the salary retention. that extra $2.7M would buy us a good 3-4th line UFA, or go considerably towards a top goalie or top 6 winger. Paying Keith $5.4M is the same as paying Russell $4M, its about $2.7M more than what they're worth. Russell is no longer a problem but he has now taken 2 steps back with this. same old same old oilers, 1 step forward, 2 steps back! Its been several decades since I could honestly say Wow! Edmonton sure fleeced that team! unfortunately its quite the opposite when It comes to people saying Wow, that team sure fleeced Edm! TBH I'm sick to death of hearing it and I'm not talking biased fan bases, I'm talking NHL insiders! I guarantee you Duncan Keith does more to make this a winning team than ANY $2.7m 3-4th line player would.
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