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Post by oilyfan on Jul 16, 2021 8:33:59 GMT -7
I’m interested to see how the pairings will work out. Keith is an aggressive defender and has a good stick. I’m thinking that works well with Larsson. Bear with Keith may be similar to Keith the last few years in Chicago and not good. Possible that Keith/Larsson is better than Nurse/Bear, but I’m still thinking Nurse will be our best defenceman. I'm not sure how their playing styles mesh, but maybe he plays sheltered minutes with Bouchard? No one really knows until the season starts but from what I'm hearing - at least this upcoming season - not a chance he's with Bouch. He's signed to be the #2 LD with Larsson and Larsson has also been told that and that's why he'll re-sign here unless someone comes at him with a massive contract (which I doubt). Now the following season, Keith's last year, is anyone's guess as to where he will slot in and who his partner will be. And who knows, maybe by Christmas circumstances change and he is with Bouch but I really doubt the Oilers got him with a 5.5M cap hit to play 'sheltered minutes' right off the hop. In fact, I know they didn't.
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Post by oilyfan on Jul 16, 2021 8:40:12 GMT -7
Pretty sure Seattle was Keith's backup plan, to lazy to look around for it but it was mentioned by a couple of talk hosts. Glad to have him on board. It wasn't necessarily his "backup" plan. He wanted to be closer to his son. Covid kept him away from him and Keith became homesick. The two teams he wanted were Edmonton and Seattle with Edmonton being his first choice. (Can't blame him for not wanting Calgary or Vancouver now can we lol) Isn't his son in like Penticton or something? Yep and he's in Penticton right now. I do believe you're right that Edmonton was his first choice (at least that's what the talking heads are saying) but he would have gone to Vcr or Calgary as well if they wanted him (but they didn't). He probably fits here better than any of the teams he wanted to go to. I'm still really confused by the draft pick though - why would we have to include that? At the very least it should have been an conditional at best anyway. Why KH didn't just walk away from this deal is beyond me. I'm sure Stan would have dropped the 3rd round pick and agreed on the conditional only if push came to shove as they need that cap space very badly if their end game is Seth Jones.
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Post by drtaf on Jul 16, 2021 9:01:31 GMT -7
I've been an oiler fan for 38 yrs and I'm not critical of everything KH or Tippett do. However when they make a mistake I feel free to criticise/comment on it as can anyone else on this board. I also open myself up to criticism such as yours and I'm fine with that also. Ironically, both KH and tippett's tenure started off strong and i was full of praise for both, but as they've continued, especially KH, i have seen more bad than good. I didnt expect Kh to perform miracles when he came in but I thought looch for neal was genius and still do. AA and green were big swings and misses (can anyone seriously argue that)?, the rest has mostly been thumb-twiddling until now, because he had no cap to do anything. now that he has, i think his first move was an overpayment (as does the majority of the hockey world), others disagree and a debate has followed. It's probably gotten more ink than it should because we're all craving hockey news of some kind and this was relatively speaking big news for oiler fans. As for "Get on Board", that literally means "Drink the koolaid" and I'll never succumb to that way of thinking, its not in my DNA! I'll continue to post my opinions here and they are just that, "opinions", both positive and negative. but the Day Bronc or any of the moderators state that only positive, warm, fuzzy thoughts are allowed here, then that will be the day I'll leave this board. Ironically i used to follow the old "official fan board but never signed up because criticism of oiler management wasnt allowed. This Board however allows criticism and is a fantastic place to find and see oiler news and opinions both good and bad. Personally, I prefer to hear both the pros and cons of any story so I can come up with my own conclusion and quite frankly I am absolutely sick to Death of the current state of the world's contrarian personality of it's "My way, or the Highway" with the "MY Way" being dictated by whoever controls the media. thankfully, as mediums go, this message board is as about free as it gets and if you dont like that then I suggest you may need to find a board a little less radical and more inline with the company line. I suggest go read Mark Spector's article on sportsnet site! First of all I'm all Oilers from the first WHA days, so we are both long term Oiler fans. That's a good thing. Now for the other stuff. How do you know the Keith trade is bad. How can you judge before the season has even started? Now if we're into 15 - 20 games and he's not come up to expectations I'll be the first to acknowledge, but I don't believe that's going to happen. If you believe everything Spector writes WOW!!!!!!!!! He doesn't have a crystal ball nor do any other so called writers have. Evidently there were 6-7 other teams interested in Keith we weren't the only ones. Yes he could have gone Seattle or Vancouver, but he chose the Oilers as he felt they were closer to a Cup plus MCD and Drai. Now let's agree at this point to disagree on most of your negativity for now. I'll guess we'll just have to wait huh? Fair enough Pilotte. For the record, I suggested YOU read Spector as I felt you only wanted to hear positive reviews of our "infallible" Oiler management group and he's the biggest Oiler Psychophant out there (maybe we can both agree, generally speaking he's an idiot or at best clickbait). and yes we will see and I hope we can also both agree that I hope I'm wrong and both Keith and KH shine this year and the oilers go deep into the playoffs. 
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Post by fogolin2 on Jul 16, 2021 11:57:04 GMT -7
I'm not sure how their playing styles mesh, but maybe he plays sheltered minutes with Bouchard? No one really knows until the season starts but from what I'm hearing - at least this upcoming season - not a chance he's with Bouch. He's signed to be the #2 LD with Larsson and Larsson has also been told that and that's why he'll re-sign here unless someone comes at him with a massive contract (which I doubt). Now the following season, Keith's last year, is anyone's guess as to where he will slot in and who his partner will be. And who knows, maybe by Christmas circumstances change and he is with Bouch but I really doubt the Oilers got him with a 5.5M cap hit to play 'sheltered minutes' right off the hop. In fact, I know they didn't. I see your points, but I'm not so sure. KH is saying a lot of 'leader' 'winner' 'professionalism' type stuff, and I think investing in our prospects by providing them a mentor is a good investment IMO. Price is high, but we'll see what happens.
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Post by igibb on Jul 16, 2021 13:00:58 GMT -7
No one really knows until the season starts but from what I'm hearing - at least this upcoming season - not a chance he's with Bouch. He's signed to be the #2 LD with Larsson and Larsson has also been told that and that's why he'll re-sign here unless someone comes at him with a massive contract (which I doubt). Now the following season, Keith's last year, is anyone's guess as to where he will slot in and who his partner will be. And who knows, maybe by Christmas circumstances change and he is with Bouch but I really doubt the Oilers got him with a 5.5M cap hit to play 'sheltered minutes' right off the hop. In fact, I know they didn't. I see your points, but I'm not so sure. KH is saying a lot of 'leader' 'winner' 'professionalism' type stuff, and I think investing in our prospects by providing them a mentor is a good investment IMO. Price is high, but we'll see what happens. KH has said he was brought in to play in the top 4 and if he hadn't gotten him he would have needed to spend 4-5M for another top 4 defenceman to fill the role.
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Post by neufab94 on Jul 16, 2021 15:02:56 GMT -7
I'm not sure how their playing styles mesh, but maybe he plays sheltered minutes with Bouchard? No one really knows until the season starts but from what I'm hearing - at least this upcoming season - not a chance he's with Bouch. He's signed to be the #2 LD with Larsson and Larsson has also been told that and that's why he'll re-sign here unless someone comes at him with a massive contract (which I doubt). Now the following season, Keith's last year, is anyone's guess as to where he will slot in and who his partner will be. And who knows, maybe by Christmas circumstances change and he is with Bouch but I really doubt the Oilers got him with a 5.5M cap hit to play 'sheltered minutes' right off the hop. In fact, I know they didn't. I think that Bear will have a better year so when I see Nurse/Bear - Keith/Larsson, this looks like a top 4 NHL defense. I thought Koekkoek was a reliable, dependable defenseman and I hope he resigns. I don't mind him paired with Bouchard and allow Bouchard to be a bit of a rover at times. Bouchard's shot is like seeing a flying elbow smash off of the top rope... you wait for it and love seeing it connect!
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Post by pillotte on Jul 16, 2021 15:07:31 GMT -7
First of all I'm all Oilers from the first WHA days, so we are both long term Oiler fans. That's a good thing. Now for the other stuff. How do you know the Keith trade is bad. How can you judge before the season has even started? Now if we're into 15 - 20 games and he's not come up to expectations I'll be the first to acknowledge, but I don't believe that's going to happen. If you believe everything Spector writes WOW!!!!!!!!! He doesn't have a crystal ball nor do any other so called writers have. Evidently there were 6-7 other teams interested in Keith we weren't the only ones. Yes he could have gone Seattle or Vancouver, but he chose the Oilers as he felt they were closer to a Cup plus MCD and Drai. Now let's agree at this point to disagree on most of your negativity for now. I'll guess we'll just have to wait huh? Fair enough Pilotte. For the record, I suggested YOU read Spector as I felt you only wanted to hear positive reviews of our "infallible" Oiler management group and he's the biggest Oiler Psychophant out there (maybe we can both agree, generally speaking he's an idiot or at best clickbait). and yes we will see and I hope we can also both agree that I hope I'm wrong and both Keith and KH shine this year and the oilers go deep into the playoffs. drtaf - the problem I have is I bleed Oiler Blue and Orange too much. Given the fact KH has a track record that we haven't had here (other than maybe Sather). Now he was made to look good due to Barry Fraser, which I'm not sure if our scouting staff at this time is as good, that we'll have to wait and see. I've read Spector a couple of times only and really do not have an impulsion to read him much. Most of these so called "experts" write things that are based on hearsay or a rumor not what actually is happening behind the doors. I have to apologize to you for my previous rant. As I said I just bleed too much Blue and Orange and my hackles have a tendensy (?) to get up way to fast. So let's keep yakkin and say what you think about the trades, buyouts and stuff. I'll take a cold shower first (LOL)
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Post by mrtea on Jul 16, 2021 15:28:11 GMT -7
I see your points, but I'm not so sure. KH is saying a lot of 'leader' 'winner' 'professionalism' type stuff, and I think investing in our prospects by providing them a mentor is a good investment IMO. Price is high, but we'll see what happens. KH has said he was brought in to play in the top 4 and if he hadn't gotten him he would have needed to spend 4-5M for another top 4 defenceman to fill the role. It would not surprise me if Tippett plays Keith with Larsson most of the shifts but when the game circumstances permit plays Keith with Bouchard and other times with Bear. This will help team chemistry get to know each other and be more prepared if injuries make it necessary some games. Also some mentoring in there too. Nurse can pick up useful pointers as well from Keith in practices while he steadily grows into his new #1D position. We've all seen Tippett in action, it's almost guaranteed to happen, though I have been wrong before.
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Post by drtaf on Jul 16, 2021 15:29:29 GMT -7
Fair enough Pilotte. For the record, I suggested YOU read Spector as I felt you only wanted to hear positive reviews of our "infallible" Oiler management group and he's the biggest Oiler Psychophant out there (maybe we can both agree, generally speaking he's an idiot or at best clickbait). and yes we will see and I hope we can also both agree that I hope I'm wrong and both Keith and KH shine this year and the oilers go deep into the playoffs. drtaf - the problem I have is I bleed Oiler Blue and Orange too much. Given the fact KH has a track record that we haven't had here (other than maybe Sather). Now he was made to look good due to Barry Fraser, which I'm not sure if our scouting staff at this time is as good, that we'll have to wait and see. I've read Spector a couple of times only and really do not have an impulsion to read him much. Most of these so called "experts" write things that are based on hearsay or a rumor not what actually is happening behind the doors. I have to apologize to you for my previous rant. As I said I just bleed too much Blue and Orange and my hackles have a tendensy (?) to get up way to fast. So let's keep yakkin and say what you think about the trades, buyouts and stuff. I'll take a cold shower first (LOL) I think we share the same passion and I have to admit, I’ve probably commented way too much on this subject, but more out of frustration that our season ended too soon and I can’t wait for the new one to start! There’s been lots of good discussion on this topic And my stance has definitely softened since my initial reaction, partly due to better knowledge of the klef situation raised by others in this forum . I actually always felt Keith was a good addition just felt it was a little costly IMO and maybe that’s because I’m inherently tight with money 🤣lol |
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Post by mrtea on Jul 16, 2021 15:40:05 GMT -7
Fair enough Pilotte. For the record, I suggested YOU read Spector as I felt you only wanted to hear positive reviews of our "infallible" Oiler management group and he's the biggest Oiler Psychophant out there (maybe we can both agree, generally speaking he's an idiot or at best clickbait). and yes we will see and I hope we can also both agree that I hope I'm wrong and both Keith and KH shine this year and the oilers go deep into the playoffs. drtaf - the problem I have is I bleed Oiler Blue and Orange too much. Given the fact KH has a track record that we haven't had here (other than maybe Sather). Now he was made to look good due to Barry Fraser, which I'm not sure if our scouting staff at this time is as good, that we'll have to wait and see. I've read Spector a couple of times only and really do not have an impulsion to read him much. Most of these so called "experts" write things that are based on hearsay or a rumor not what actually is happening behind the doors. I have to apologize to you for my previous rant. As I said I just bleed too much Blue and Orange and my hackles have a tendensy (?) to get up way to fast. So let's keep yakkin and say what you think about the trades, buyouts and stuff. I'll take a cold shower first (LOL) Pilotte that's my problem too. That's my team and when someone tramples McDavid's character or put's our players down without justification my hackles go up, I can't seem to help it. Similarly when our own fans don't share my level of optimism, I will sometimes take them to task. I have a ton of respect for most of my fellow Oiler posters here. I agree with the majority of what my fellow oiler board members are posting, but it's impossible to agree on everything.
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Post by yuke on Jul 16, 2021 18:13:19 GMT -7
Comparable?
Nick Leddy was traded to the Detroit Red Wings by the New York Islanders for forward Richard Panik on Friday.
New York also received a second-round pick (No. 52) in the 2021 NHL Draft.
Leddy has 1 year left at 5.5 mill
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 16, 2021 18:39:59 GMT -7
Comparable? Nick Leddy was traded to the Detroit Red Wings by the New York Islanders for forward Richard Panik on Friday. New York also received a second-round pick (No. 52) in the 2021 NHL Draft. Leddy has 1 year left at 5.5 mill Keith is better than Leddy. So we win lol? Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jul 16, 2021 23:03:30 GMT -7
I think everyone, on both sides, needs to chill and take a step back.
My opinion: The Oilers lost the trade. Plain and simple. It should have been a one for one, no draft picks included. Obviously CHI and Holland think Keith has more in the tank, or else a pick would not have been included. But that does not mean the trade can't benefit us. I truly believe that Keith will have solid play for us. Second pairing this coming season, and third pairing the season after. His analytics may not have been the best over the last couple years, but I do believe that Colliton (Chicago's head coach) didn't utilize him properly. Hopefully Tippett will use Keith properly, so he's most effective for us. I don't think Tippett has steered us THAT wrong so far. So, I'm gonna place some faith in him. I think all of our D WILL benefit from Keith's experience. Nurse, Larsson (who I hope gets signed as soon as the expansion draft is done), Bear, Bouchard, and Broberg.
Everyone, on both sides of this trade, should stop and take a step back. Look at what Keith can bring to the table. Because there's no use b*tching and complaing about the trade. It's done now. All anyone can do is look at the positives (and I do think there are a lot of positives) and move forward.
Anyway, small rant done. I'm out at mercer for my 33rd birthday. Half cut. First time drinking since March 2020. I had told people that here that I "quit" drinking, but I meant to say that I'm not going to get loser wasted majority of the week anymore. Once every few months. That's the plan.
Anyway, I hope everyone is well. I'm about a 2-6 of tequila down and having a great time.
Good night!
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Post by pillotte on Jul 17, 2021 9:47:06 GMT -7
drtaf - the problem I have is I bleed Oiler Blue and Orange too much. Given the fact KH has a track record that we haven't had here (other than maybe Sather). Now he was made to look good due to Barry Fraser, which I'm not sure if our scouting staff at this time is as good, that we'll have to wait and see. I've read Spector a couple of times only and really do not have an impulsion to read him much. Most of these so called "experts" write things that are based on hearsay or a rumor not what actually is happening behind the doors. I have to apologize to you for my previous rant. As I said I just bleed too much Blue and Orange and my hackles have a tendensy (?) to get up way to fast. So let's keep yakkin and say what you think about the trades, buyouts and stuff. I'll take a cold shower first (LOL) Pilotte that's my problem too. That's my team and when someone tramples McDavid's character or put's our players down without justification my hackles go up, I can't seem to help it. Similarly when our own fans don't share my level of optimism, I will sometimes take them to task. I have a ton of respect for most of my fellow Oiler posters here. I agree with the majority of what my fellow oiler board members are posting, but it's impossible to agree on everything. My passion was the main reason I spent most of my hockey career in the penalty box (lol).
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Post by drtaf on Jul 17, 2021 9:49:53 GMT -7
I think everyone, on both sides, needs to chill and take a step back. My opinion: The Oilers lost the trade. Plain and simple. It should have been a one for one, no draft picks included. Obviously CHI and Holland think Keith has more in the tank, or else a pick would not have been included. But that does not mean the trade can't benefit us. I truly believe that Keith will have solid play for us. Second pairing this coming season, and third pairing the season after. His analytics may not have been the best over the last couple years, but I do believe that Colliton (Chicago's head coach) didn't utilize him properly. Hopefully Tippett will use Keith properly, so he's most effective for us. I don't think Tippett has steered us THAT wrong so far. So, I'm gonna place some faith in him. I think all of our D WILL benefit from Keith's experience. Nurse, Larsson (who I hope gets signed as soon as the expansion draft is done), Bear, Bouchard, and Broberg. Everyone, on both sides of this trade, should stop and take a step back. Look at what Keith can bring to the table. Because there's no use b*tching and complaing about the trade. It's done now. All anyone can do is look at the positives (and I do think there are a lot of positives) and move forward. Anyway, small rant done. I'm out at mercer for my 33rd birthday. Half cut. First time drinking since March 2020. I had told people that here that I "quit" drinking, but I meant to say that I'm not going to get loser wasted majority of the week anymore. Once every few months. That's the plan. Anyway, I hope everyone is well. I'm about a 2-6 of tequila down and having a great time. Good night! Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Enjoy your B'day MBM, but hopefully not too much LOL!
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Post by sharptooth on Jul 17, 2021 13:01:29 GMT -7
I think everyone, on both sides, needs to chill and take a step back. My opinion: The Oilers lost the trade. Plain and simple. It should have been a one for one, no draft picks included. Obviously CHI and Holland think Keith has more in the tank, or else a pick would not have been included. But that does not mean the trade can't benefit us. I truly believe that Keith will have solid play for us. Second pairing this coming season, and third pairing the season after. His analytics may not have been the best over the last couple years, but I do believe that Colliton (Chicago's head coach) didn't utilize him properly. Hopefully Tippett will use Keith properly, so he's most effective for us. I don't think Tippett has steered us THAT wrong so far. So, I'm gonna place some faith in him. I think all of our D WILL benefit from Keith's experience. Nurse, Larsson (who I hope gets signed as soon as the expansion draft is done), Bear, Bouchard, and Broberg. Everyone, on both sides of this trade, should stop and take a step back. Look at what Keith can bring to the table. Because there's no use b*tching and complaing about the trade. It's done now. All anyone can do is look at the positives (and I do think there are a lot of positives) and move forward. Anyway, small rant done. I'm out at mercer for my 33rd birthday. Half cut. First time drinking since March 2020. I had told people that here that I "quit" drinking, but I meant to say that I'm not going to get loser wasted majority of the week anymore. Once every few months. That's the plan. Anyway, I hope everyone is well. I'm about a 2-6 of tequila down and having a great time. Good night! Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Happy Birthday MBM! |
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Post by windsoroiler on Jul 25, 2021 10:31:12 GMT -7
I'm liking this move a little more.
It's great to bring in good guys, it's quite different when you bring in a core piece, a winner.
Chiasson has won but not the same being a depth piece.
At the exit interviews our core players requested leadership so I'm on board with that. Keith is still plenty quick and offers true leadership. Hope I don't eat my words
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Post by mrtea on Jul 25, 2021 10:55:43 GMT -7
I'm liking this move a little more. It's great to bring in good guys, it's quite different when you bring in a core piece, a winner. Chiasson has won but not the same being a depth piece. At the exit interviews our core players requested leadership so I'm on board with that. Keith is still plenty quick and offers true leadership. Hope I don't eat my words I've always expressed a desire for a veteran D presence like Keith. There are so many aspects that he brings to the Oilers like leadership, mentoring, winning attitude and experience with what it takes for a team to take a step closer to being a contender. Bouchard, Bear, Broberg and even guys like Nurse can learn so much from him. Another thing that is not mentioned that often is that he wants to be here and he sees potential here to be a contender.
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Post by drtaf on Jul 25, 2021 10:59:33 GMT -7
I'm liking this move a little more. It's great to bring in good guys, it's quite different when you bring in a core piece, a winner. Chiasson has won but not the same being a depth piece. At the exit interviews our core players requested leadership so I'm on board with that. Keith is still plenty quick and offers true leadership. Hope I don't eat my words I’m hating it a little less each day LOL😂 . I really liked Keith’s comment after trade saying “we’ll see whose slow in training camp”. Those are big words from a big man and I’m betting he’s confident of backing them up. Just still wish we didn’t give up the 3rd, taking the whole cap was enough IMO but hey, excited to see if Keith back up those words because we definitely need more of that attitude in the locker room and if this and Keith’s experience rubs off on our young D then I’d start to consider this a decent trade, especially if he turns out be be a capable top 4 D👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 13:20:58 GMT -7
I'm liking this move a little more. It's great to bring in good guys, it's quite different when you bring in a core piece, a winner. Chiasson has won but not the same being a depth piece. At the exit interviews our core players requested leadership so I'm on board with that. Keith is still plenty quick and offers true leadership. Hope I don't eat my words I've always expressed a desire for a veteran D presence like Keith. There are so many aspects that he brings to the Oilers like leadership, mentoring, winning attitude and experience with what it takes for a team to take a step closer to being a contender. Bouchard, Bear, Broberg and even guys like Nurse can learn so much from him. Another thing that is not mentioned that often is that he wants to be here and he sees potential here to be a contender. Fantastic athlete and proven leadership...I totally agree with you. I think this was a smart move from Holland. Many forget what Hamilton, Fogolin and Oates brought to this club ,it was not just solid play but the ability to strengthen their teammates by example. There is value in having a solid journeyman who has had success.
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