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Post by Bronco73 on Aug 3, 2021 16:38:39 GMT -7
Ok... and Larsson decides to hit the road, we get nothing in return, and then KH trades RD Bear away? Larsson and Bear out.... Keith and Ceci in. Maybe not the same player types but definitely 2 bodies out and 2 bodies in.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 3, 2021 17:24:29 GMT -7
Ok... and Larsson decides to hit the road, we get nothing in return, and then KH trades RD Bear away? Larsson and Bear out.... Keith and Ceci in. Maybe not the same player types but definitely 2 bodies out and 2 bodies in. You're forgetting one transaction that made Ethan Bear a tradeable asset. The Oilers signed Barrie to a 3 year contract, with Bouchard making the transition this year making Bear the odd guy out. Then we were able to trade Bear for Foegele filling a hole in the bottom six.
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Aug 3, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -7
Ok... and Larsson decides to hit the road, we get nothing in return, and then KH trades RD Bear away? Larsson and Bear out.... Keith and Ceci in. Maybe not the same player types but definitely 2 bodies out and 2 bodies in. I understand the end result, just trying to dismantle the sequence of events. Keith came in first, then Larsson cut bait, then Bear was traded (which was going to happen anyway irt Bouchard, right?) and then Ceci was signed... Bear's ELC was over right? Had Larsson stayed, there'd be no Ceci signing I'm guessing? In any event, Bouch is going to have to step up imo...
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Post by blackhawk216 on Aug 3, 2021 18:16:53 GMT -7
Ok... and Larsson decides to hit the road, we get nothing in return, and then KH trades RD Bear away? Pittsburgh also "got nothing in return" for Ceci, and we got an immediate upgrade to our bottom six in Foegele with no apparent obvious downgrade in our D. Even if Ceci is not quite as good as Larsson, and we don't know that yet, we now have two potential significant offensive D men in Barrie and Bouchard.......so that 3 some, (Ceci/Barrie/Bouchard) may even be better than the previous 3 some of Larsson/Barrie/Bear. Well done KH (I think).
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Post by drtaf on Aug 3, 2021 19:20:00 GMT -7
My take is that the D is likely to be same stats-wise when all is said and done, maybe a little better maybe a little worse, the x-factors will be what Bouchard and maybe a dark horse Broberg or samurakov bring to the table? The big improvement is in forward depth with Hyman now part of top 6 and Dr and Foegele sig improving the bottom six. I think team leadership with Keith Hyman and Ryan has also improved. If kh can land a decent goalie, we will start looking like a serious playoff team IMO.
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Post by Bronco73 on Aug 3, 2021 19:35:15 GMT -7
Larsson and Bear out.... Keith and Ceci in. Maybe not the same player types but definitely 2 bodies out and 2 bodies in. I understand the end result, just trying to dismantle the sequence of events. Keith came in first, then Larsson cut bait, then Bear was traded (which was going to happen anyway irt Bouchard, right?) and then Ceci was signed... Bear's ELC was over right? Had Larsson stayed, there'd be no Ceci signing I'm guessing? In any event, Bouch is going to have to step up imo... I'm pretty sure (however not positive of course) that Holland was fully aware that Larsson was determined to test the market. Makes sense since they had not come to a deal on an extension anyways. I honestly fully believe that there was not going to be a Larsson signing at all. But yea I agree, IF Larsson had stayed, it would have made a Ceci deal un-necessary. But wow the Pens are not happy that they couldn't find a way to keep Ceci. That could bode well for us.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 3, 2021 20:14:12 GMT -7
I understand the end result, just trying to dismantle the sequence of events. Keith came in first, then Larsson cut bait, then Bear was traded (which was going to happen anyway irt Bouchard, right?) and then Ceci was signed... Bear's ELC was over right? Had Larsson stayed, there'd be no Ceci signing I'm guessing? In any event, Bouch is going to have to step up imo... I'm pretty sure (however not positive of course) that Holland was fully aware that Larsson was determined to test the market. Makes sense since they had not come to a deal on an extension anyways. I honestly fully believe that there was not going to be a Larsson signing at all. But yea I agree, IF Larsson had stayed, it would have made a Ceci deal un-necessary. But wow the Pens are not happy that they couldn't find a way to keep Ceci. That could bode well for us. If Holland was aware that Larsson wasn't going to re-sign, he would have been on the trade block at the deadline. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk |
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Post by Bronco73 on Aug 3, 2021 20:47:19 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure (however not positive of course) that Holland was fully aware that Larsson was determined to test the market. Makes sense since they had not come to a deal on an extension anyways. I honestly fully believe that there was not going to be a Larsson signing at all. But yea I agree, IF Larsson had stayed, it would have made a Ceci deal un-necessary. But wow the Pens are not happy that they couldn't find a way to keep Ceci. That could bode well for us. If Holland was aware that Larsson wasn't going to re-sign, he would have been on the trade block at the deadline. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk I don't mean before the deadline, I mean in the last couple of months. I'm hearing that Larson was stringing Holland along without committing, and Holland scrambled to arrange a replacement in the weeks before the expansion draft.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 3, 2021 21:44:25 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure (however not positive of course) that Holland was fully aware that Larsson was determined to test the market. Makes sense since they had not come to a deal on an extension anyways. I honestly fully believe that there was not going to be a Larsson signing at all. But yea I agree, IF Larsson had stayed, it would have made a Ceci deal un-necessary. But wow the Pens are not happy that they couldn't find a way to keep Ceci. That could bode well for us. If Holland was aware that Larsson wasn't going to re-sign, he would have been on the trade block at the deadline. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk I've thought about this, and I don't think so. KH has to show his star players that we're trying to win now, and Larsson was a huge part of our team success this year. IMO it would've created a real rift if he'd been traded as an asset in a year where we had a 1in4 chance of going to the semi-finals. I'm not sure I would've done the same thing but I sure don't hold this against KH. These are the problems that good teams have.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 4, 2021 0:22:38 GMT -7
If Holland was aware that Larsson wasn't going to re-sign, he would have been on the trade block at the deadline. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk I've thought about this, and I don't think so. KH has to show his star players that we're trying to win now, and Larsson was a huge part of our team success this year. IMO it would've created a real rift if he'd been traded as an asset in a year where we had a 1in4 chance of going to the semi-finals. I'm not sure I would've done the same thing but I sure don't hold this against KH. These are the problems that good teams have. You're probably right, but someone like Gudbranson could have been acquired at the deadline too. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk |
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Post by drtaf on Aug 4, 2021 6:52:17 GMT -7
It's def not KH's fault that Larsson left, the guy has to do what he feels best for him and his family. I've moved on already as I always felt Larsson was a "decent D-man" but definitely not part of the core and IMO replaceable. I'm happy Barrie re-signed for what he did and he already feels more a part of the core than Larsson ever was and I'm hoping he continues his play of last year as he wasnt as bad defensively as I thought! I'm more excited to see if the changes lead to an improvement, as its time (past due actually)that this team takes it up a notch when competing in the playoffs. Adding a gudbranson-type and a few grittier players at this year's deadline will be a must imo, so KH may have to hold a few pennies back to bolster team for play0ff push. not sure how he can do this and still get a decent Goalie to tandem with Smith without pawning Kosk off to someone though??
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Post by blackhawk216 on Aug 4, 2021 8:23:25 GMT -7
My take is that the D is likely to be same stats-wise when all is said and done, maybe a little better maybe a little worse, the x-factors will be what Bouchard and maybe a dark horse Broberg or samurakov bring to the table? The big improvement is in forward depth with Hyman now part of top 6 and Dr and Foegele sig improving the bottom six. I think team leadership with Keith Hyman and Ryan has also improved. If kh can land a decent goalie, we will start looking like a serious playoff team IMO. Nail on head, good summing up of the developments. Also re the goal tending situation, I think it was Bob Stauffer who said a day or two ago that Smith and Koskinen's combined numbers for a starter and back up goalie were 7th best in the NHL last season. So perhaps not nearly as bad as perhaps some of us think? If we are going with Smith and Kosk, the best advice for Mikko is to not read any newspaper articles about him, or message boards like this one, or maybe even not TV sports programmes where his name might be mentioned, just get into a personal cocoon, work with the coaches and try to focus 100% on your self and be ready when called upon. In other words, what a goalie really should do.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 28, 2021 16:40:08 GMT -7
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Post by The Hammer on Sept 28, 2021 17:31:11 GMT -7
Yes, that interview really explains his reasons for leaving Edmonton.
I wish him well.
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Post by south on Sept 29, 2021 5:17:10 GMT -7
Yes, that interview really explains his reasons for leaving Edmonton. I wish him well. I agree. I don't believe KH was mislead by Larsson or his agent last season during negotiations. It was totally a personal circumstance decision for him and consideration of his family. Grieving a shocking loss is differant for everyone and hopefully the change of venues brings some resolution for Adam and his family. While I will miss him as an Oiler, I hope his decision gives him peace and a prosperous future. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 29, 2021 7:13:09 GMT -7
Yes, that interview really explains his reasons for leaving Edmonton. I wish him well. I agree. I don't believe KH was mislead by Larsson or his agent last season during negotiations. It was totally a personal circumstance decision for him and consideration of his family. Grieving a shocking loss is differant for everyone and hopefully the change of venues brings some resolution for Adam and his family. While I will miss him as an Oiler, I hope his decision gives him peace and a prosperous future. Very well said.
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 29, 2021 7:15:51 GMT -7
We talked about this before regarding Lars and were correct. Hard to play hockey when you have things like that going on. Hard to feel at home when you have that constant reminder. Add the back issues... add living up to the TH trade
If the NHL cracks down on crosschecking, that's a huge part of Lars's game. If he plays physical like he has he will find himself in the box. He will probably be less effective
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Post by Bronco73 on Nov 1, 2021 11:19:57 GMT -7
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