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Post by drtaf on Aug 6, 2021 18:12:26 GMT -7
Does anyone think any player in his prime takes a home town discount? You may get a guy to sign for 0.5 to 1m on a longer term but I think they all cash in while they can tbh and I’m not sure I blame them, with the exception of kh who seems to show loyalty to some players, most GMs cut the players loose as soon as they are not producing 100%🤷♂️
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Post by blackhawk216 on Aug 6, 2021 19:21:25 GMT -7
Less percentage of the cap than Draisaitl's was when he signed his 8.5M contract. I think we'll be fine. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk I don't think we lived in a more or less stagnant cap level when Drai signed his contract did we? There is the difference, and also when Drai signed we did not have two other players earning $21m between them, right? I am not blaming anyone for this Nurse contract, but it has to hurt the team's prospects of being able to win a cup more than Drai's contract did at the time he signed his. We now are paying almost 50% of the cap to five players if my maths is correct. Roughly in the same boat as the Leafs. Are they "fine"? Just asking.  .
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Post by SuperDave17 on Aug 6, 2021 19:47:08 GMT -7
I think it's doable, but KH really has to navigate carefully from this point onwards.
At least one of those contracts is on a dman who may be worth it, so there's that difference from TO.
To compensate, Barrie, JP, Hyman, Yam and Nuge are on team friendly contracts, at least for the next 2 to 4 years.
After that, we may have to go the Pittsburgh model. For example, trading out Yam after his RFA to bring in an ELC like Lavoie or Bourgault.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 6, 2021 19:59:36 GMT -7
My take is that we had to sign this contract or possibly lose nurse or if we waited we might have to have paid more. I don't like that we had to pay top dollar. I think Darnel should have given us a bit of a hometown discount, but it is signed now so we soldier on. The good news is that this is signaling that we are going for it starting this season and ramping up the pressure even more the year later when this contract kicks in.
I don't know what Holland's got up his sleeve next, but I'm pretty sure he's not done yet.
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Post by easternoilslick on Aug 6, 2021 20:15:20 GMT -7
This does seem like a very rich contract. We need a goalie badly. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows that you cannot won in the playoffs without a premier goalie.
I like Nurse a lot and he's worth a lot. But yikes this is a big contract.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 6, 2021 20:18:59 GMT -7
It was said we offered Lars the same 4x4 compared to Seattle but the bottom line is after taxes Lars makes 750k more per year due to taxes alone. I'm not sure if that's true.
So Nurse at 9.25 could be like him making 8 mil after tax in certain Us cities. Money talks and would be the main reason players don't want to play in Canada.
I'm not happy about this at all, the oilers drafting and developing has to pay off with cheaper players on elcs moving forward.
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Post by yuke on Aug 6, 2021 20:25:35 GMT -7
It was said we offered Lars the same 4x4 compared to Seattle but the bottom line is after taxes Lars makes 750k more per year due to taxes alone. I'm not sure if that's true. So Nurse at 9.25 could be like him making 8 mil after tax in certain Us cities. Money talks and would be the main reason players don't want to play in Canada. I'm not happy about this at all, the oilers drafting and developing has to pay off with cheaper players on elcs moving forward. Canadian teams get paid in US dollars. McDavid is getting something like 16 million canadian |
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 6, 2021 20:28:13 GMT -7
It was said we offered Lars the same 4x4 compared to Seattle but the bottom line is after taxes Lars makes 750k more per year due to taxes alone. I'm not sure if that's true. So Nurse at 9.25 could be like him making 8 mil after tax in certain Us cities. Money talks and would be the main reason players don't want to play in Canada. I'm not happy about this at all, the oilers drafting and developing has to pay off with cheaper players on elcs moving forward. Canadian teams get paid in US dollars. McDavid is getting something like 16 million canadian I know that. I'm talking about the much higher taxes in Canada. It makes a big difference |
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Post by yuke on Aug 6, 2021 21:56:21 GMT -7
Less percentage of the cap than Draisaitl's was when he signed his 8.5M contract. I think we'll be fine. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk I don't think we lived in a more or less stagnant cap level when Drai signed his contract did we? There is the difference, and also when Drai signed we did not have two other players earning $21m between them, right? I am not blaming anyone for this Nurse contract, but it has to hurt the team's prospects of being able to win a cup more than Drai's contract did at the time he signed his. . This is my thoughts also. I'm interested to see what movement clauses are attached. If Broberg and Bouchard become elite players I would prefer to trade Nurse and keep our window of possible success going. |
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Aug 6, 2021 23:31:13 GMT -7
Canadian teams get paid in US dollars. McDavid is getting something like 16 million canadian I know that. I'm talking about the much higher taxes in Canada. It makes a big difference On top of the "Jock Tax" Canadian players pay when visiting some American cities. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 23:45:18 GMT -7
Certainly front loaded...
22/23 - $12M
23/24 - $10.4M
24/25 - $12M
25/26 - $10M
26/27 - $2M + $6M SB
27/28 - $1.2M + $6M SB
28/29 - $1.2M + $6M SB
29/30 - $1.2M + 6M SB
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Post by yuke on Aug 7, 2021 0:08:10 GMT -7
Certainly front loaded... 22/23 - $12M 23/24 - $10.4M 24/25 - $12M 25/26 - $10M 26/27 - $2M + $6M SB 27/28 - $1.2M + $6M SB 28/29 - $1.2M + $6M SB 29/30 - $1.2M + 6M SB Full NMC Yr 1-5, NMC + 10-team no-trade 6-8https://t.co/ZucVzL5kgi Brutal, for Oilers. Nice job DN and agent |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 1:19:56 GMT -7
Certainly front loaded... 22/23 - $12M 23/24 - $10.4M 24/25 - $12M 25/26 - $10M 26/27 - $2M + $6M SB 27/28 - $1.2M + $6M SB 28/29 - $1.2M + $6M SB 29/30 - $1.2M + 6M SB Full NMC Yr 1-5, NMC + 10-team no-trade 6-8https://t.co/ZucVzL5kgi Brutal, for Oilers. Nice job DN and agent I don't know if I would say brutal. I would bet there is several teams that would sign Nurse to this deal. I also don't think you find a replacement on a good day at 7.5 to 8 million. I don't know if I can blame Holland for this as the NHL and dumb GM's have allowed salaries to skyrocket when preaching flat caps. Look at some of the signings lately and not just on the Oil.... The salaries league wide seem brutal but if you want to keep your better players you are pretty much forced into this or lose them. If you told me a decade ago you'd have 4 or 5 players on a team pulling 40-50 million in cap I would have said your crazy but here we are.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 7, 2021 4:27:37 GMT -7
Brutal, for Oilers. Nice job DN and agent I don't know if I would say brutal. I would bet there is several teams that would sign Nurse to this deal. I also don't think you find a replacement on a good day at 7.5 to 8 million. I don't know if I can blame Holland for this as the NHL and dumb GM's have allowed salaries to skyrocket when preaching flat caps. Look at some of the signings lately and not just on the Oil.... The salaries league wide seem brutal but if you want to keep your better players you are pretty much forced into this or lose them. If you told me a decade ago you'd have 4 or 5 players on a team pulling 40-50 million in cap I would have said your crazy but here we are. Ain't that the truth, there is always a GM who will jump in at free agency willing to pay just about any amount to land that guy. It's a sad reality, but a reality all the same.
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Post by yuke on Aug 7, 2021 6:33:50 GMT -7
Brutal, for Oilers. Nice job DN and agent I don't know if I would say brutal. I would bet there is several teams that would sign Nurse to this deal. I also don't think you find a replacement on a good day at 7.5 to 8 million. I don't know if I can blame Holland for this as the NHL and dumb GM's have allowed salaries to skyrocket when preaching flat caps. Look at some of the signings lately and not just on the Oil.... The salaries league wide seem brutal but if you want to keep your better players you are pretty much forced into this or lose them. If you told me a decade ago you'd have 4 or 5 players on a team pulling 40-50 million in cap I would have said your crazy but here we are. If Nurse craps the bed in his later years, how do you buy him out when his salary is heavily on the SBs? Think Lucic. Just stupid IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 10:25:30 GMT -7
I don't know if I would say brutal. I would bet there is several teams that would sign Nurse to this deal. I also don't think you find a replacement on a good day at 7.5 to 8 million. I don't know if I can blame Holland for this as the NHL and dumb GM's have allowed salaries to skyrocket when preaching flat caps. Look at some of the signings lately and not just on the Oil.... The salaries league wide seem brutal but if you want to keep your better players you are pretty much forced into this or lose them. If you told me a decade ago you'd have 4 or 5 players on a team pulling 40-50 million in cap I would have said your crazy but here we are. Ain't that the truth, there is always a GM who will jump in at free agency willing to pay just about any amount to land that guy. It's a sad reality, but a reality all the same. for sure...the price of doing business in the modern NHL,I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 10:32:46 GMT -7
I don't know if I would say brutal. I would bet there is several teams that would sign Nurse to this deal. I also don't think you find a replacement on a good day at 7.5 to 8 million. I don't know if I can blame Holland for this as the NHL and dumb GM's have allowed salaries to skyrocket when preaching flat caps. Look at some of the signings lately and not just on the Oil.... The salaries league wide seem brutal but if you want to keep your better players you are pretty much forced into this or lose them. If you told me a decade ago you'd have 4 or 5 players on a team pulling 40-50 million in cap I would have said your crazy but here we are. If Nurse craps the bed in his later years, how do you buy him out when his salary is heavily on the SBs? Think Lucic. Just stupid IMO Same could be said about Leon or Connor? injuries are what normally change players performances. Nothing is a guarantee and Bobby Orr would be the poster boy. Nurse is 26 and 8 years brings him to 34,it is front loaded contract with the salary cap increasing slightly. I think the salary is high but the market is now paying these players. My one concern is last season was different and how will fans react if Nurse responds the same as his previous 82 game season, not that it was bad but people will mention the dollar amount. Look at Koskinen if he was 2 million instead of 4.5 million there would be more leeway to criticize him.
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Post by yuke on Aug 7, 2021 11:01:15 GMT -7
Same could be said about Leon or Connor? injuries are what normally change players performances. Nothing is a guarantee and Bobby Orr would be the poster boy. Nurse is 26 and 8 years brings him to 34,it is front loaded contract with the salary cap increasing slightly. I think the salary is high but the market is now paying these players. My one concern is last season was different and how will fans react if Nurse responds the same as his previous 82 game season, not that it was bad but people will mention the dollar amount. Look at Koskinen if he was 2 million instead of 4.5 million there would be more leeway to criticize him. Yes, Connors and Leons are also stupid. It isn't the money so much as the gauranteed signing bonuses. You cannot buy these guys out. The league should not allow such contracts. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 12:40:33 GMT -7
Yes, Connors and Leons are also stupid. It isn't the money so much as the gauranteed signing bonuses. You cannot buy these guys out. The league should not allow such contracts. I don't know about that, I think the league should stay out of it and let the teams decide their cap. I'd rather see teams not being able to trade LTIR players or circumvent the cap like Tampa has.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 7, 2021 12:51:29 GMT -7
Yes, Connors and Leons are also stupid. It isn't the money so much as the gauranteed signing bonuses. You cannot buy these guys out. The league should not allow such contracts. I'm pretty sure the player's union would have something to say if the league tried to ban signing bonuses, they essentially guarantee the player gets paid in full, hence why they're so popular with players and agents. It sucks for sure as in the "real world", if you dont keep performing your duties to the standard you're paid for, then your employer has every right to replace you with someone that will and you're left with nothing (unless of course you have a strong union LOL). Unfortunately, kh didnt make these rules and its even harder for CDN clubs as you have to give incentives above and beyond cash, to get guys to come/stay here, so SB's and NMC's are part and parcel of signing players here. I have doubts and questions over several decisions by KH, but this isn't one of them.
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