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Post by oilyfan on Aug 7, 2021 9:21:10 GMT -7
750K two way deal. I think he'll be better than Russell.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 7, 2021 10:03:15 GMT -7
If he can get back to his Arizona form, he'll do well. If not, then he'll be a good push in the AHL for our prospects.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 7, 2021 10:07:29 GMT -7
Interesting player. Has had some wildly different results from year to year.
A Canadian born in England.
Selected 12th in the Draisatl draft.
Lefty. 6'3" 211lbs
Seems like a low risk signing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 12:36:42 GMT -7
If he can get back to his Arizona form, he'll do well. If not, then he'll be a good push in the AHL for our prospects. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Agreed, I like his size as well.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 7, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -7
Can't really go wrong with min wage 2-way deals, low risk, potential bigger reward. does anyone know if he has NHL foot speed??
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 7, 2021 13:24:03 GMT -7
Yes he has speed, I've seen him play in Chicago. He played pretty well.
His defense is where he is lacking. A mid first round pick, do or die for him and his NHL career. He has the tools but lack some smarts. Sounds a little like Pulj
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Post by pillotte on Aug 7, 2021 14:38:53 GMT -7
Yes he has speed, I've seen him play in Chicago. He played pretty well. His defense is where he is lacking. A mid first round pick, do or die for him and his NHL career. He has the tools but lack some smarts. Sounds a little like Pulj Sounds more like Yakupov
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 7, 2021 15:29:32 GMT -7
Yes he has speed, I've seen him play in Chicago. He played pretty well. His defense is where he is lacking. A mid first round pick, do or die for him and his NHL career. He has the tools but lack some smarts. Sounds a little like Pulj Sounds more like Yakupov Ha ha true, I meant the old Pulj. Let's hope he's not yak |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 17:12:42 GMT -7
Ha ha true, I meant the old Pulj. Let's hope he's not yak I still think Management at the time ruined Yak. I bet he would be handled very different today and have his game grown before being put into circumstances of failure.
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 7, 2021 17:22:04 GMT -7
Ha ha true, I meant the old Pulj. Let's hope he's not yak I still think Management at the time ruined Yak. I bet he would be handled very different today and have his game grown before being put into circumstances of failure. [bra Yak didn’t want to learn and likely was what he was gonna be regardless. He had other chances to make or break him in the NHL but decided to do what he wanted. And that’s ok if that’s what a person wants. Woulda been nice to know before we drafted him but there were plenty of signs. |
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Post by Bronco73 on Aug 7, 2021 22:27:06 GMT -7
he's got some wheels by the looks of it and he sure likes going to the net. this could be very good for the Oilers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 22:34:53 GMT -7
I still think Management at the time ruined Yak. I bet he would be handled very different today and have his game grown before being put into circumstances of failure. [bra Yak didn’t want to learn and likely was what he was gonna be regardless. He had other chances to make or break him in the NHL but decided to do what he wanted. And that’s ok if that’s what a person wants. Woulda been nice to know before we drafted him but there were plenty of signs. Who coached Yak here.... Kruegar, Eakins, Nelson, McLellan...off to St. Louis with Hitchmale chicken then to Colorado under Bednar. Holy crap 6 years and 6 different coaches. Take a look at some of these coaches, they killed offense of many a player. The kid was thrown into the fire and every season it was a different system. I would not say he did not want to learn but was badly managed having to learn all the time. Look at Hall and Eberle allowed to play offense only and did not know where there defensive blueline was.. Nuge found his 200ft game and is still here.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 8, 2021 8:43:56 GMT -7
[bra Yak didn’t want to learn and likely was what he was gonna be regardless. He had other chances to make or break him in the NHL but decided to do what he wanted. And that’s ok if that’s what a person wants. Woulda been nice to know before we drafted him but there were plenty of signs. Who coached Yak here.... Kruegar, Eakins, Nelson, McLellan...off to St. Louis with Hitchoildude then to Colorado under Bednar. Holy crap 6 years and 6 different coaches. Take a look at some of these coaches, they killed offense of many a player. The kid was thrown into the fire and every season it was a different system. I would not say he did not want to learn but was badly managed having to learn all the time. Look at Hall and Eberle allowed to play offense only and did not know where there defensive blueline was.. Nuge found his 200ft game and is still here. The difference with Hall and Eberle is that they actually score goals in the NHL. Yak just wheeling around in big circles was always so easy to defend. Nuge didn't 'find' anything, he learned it from being coached and accepting the coaching. Hall didn't do it. Yak didn't do it. And the team got better when they got shipped out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 12:55:22 GMT -7
Who coached Yak here.... Kruegar, Eakins, Nelson, McLellan...off to St. Louis with Hitchoildude then to Colorado under Bednar. Holy crap 6 years and 6 different coaches. Take a look at some of these coaches, they killed offense of many a player. The kid was thrown into the fire and every season it was a different system. I would not say he did not want to learn but was badly managed having to learn all the time. Look at Hall and Eberle allowed to play offense only and did not know where there defensive blueline was.. Nuge found his 200ft game and is still here. The difference with Hall and Eberle is that they actually score goals in the NHL. Yak just wheeling around in big circles was always so easy to defend. Nuge didn't 'find' anything, he learned it from being coached and accepting the coaching. Hall didn't do it. Yak didn't do it. And the team got better when they got shipped out. I understand that Fog, I'm just saying it is hard to put the entire blame on the player when you look at the atmosphere he was thrown into... 6 coaches in 6 years. That would be tough for a North American born kid never mind a Russian. I'm sure some of it was the player but I doubt it was all of it looking at the big picture.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 8, 2021 13:11:26 GMT -7
The difference with Hall and Eberle is that they actually score goals in the NHL. Yak just wheeling around in big circles was always so easy to defend. Nuge didn't 'find' anything, he learned it from being coached and accepting the coaching. Hall didn't do it. Yak didn't do it. And the team got better when they got shipped out. I understand that Fog, I'm just saying it is hard to put the entire blame on the player when you look at the atmosphere he was thrown into... 6 coaches in 6 years. That would be tough for a North American born kid never mind a Russian. I'm sure some of it was the player but I doubt it was all of it looking at the big picture. I agree, there is no absolute truth in it. It's always some combination of both. I overreact to it, because it always seems like fans absolve the player of any responsibility. As they say 'you can't fire all the players' . I guess the coaches could have caved, coached the rest of the teams, and let Yak skate around doing whatever he wanted. But, that doesn't sound like something an NHL level coach would or should do, does it? Yak had lived and played fulltime in Canada for two seasons before we drafted him, where he torched the OHL, so it's not like we plucked from some obscure club team in Russia. He was offered a dream job with tens of millions of potential earnings and he couldn't, or wasn't willing to, figure out how to do the job. I think a lot of people in that circumstance would try a lot harder to figure it out.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 8, 2021 13:14:11 GMT -7
Yes he has speed, I've seen him play in Chicago. He played pretty well. His defense is where he is lacking. A mid first round pick, do or die for him and his NHL career. He has the tools but lack some smarts. Sounds a little like Pulj Thanks for the info BH. For that price, if we get any games out of him, he’ll be a steal and every so often a late bloomer plying his trade in Europe comes back and really thrives back in the nhl so I’m thinking this is a good roll of the dice by kh, basically playing with house money to see if he can land a 3-4th liner. He’ll/We’ll soon find out in training camp |
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Post by drtaf on Aug 8, 2021 13:14:58 GMT -7
Sorry, Windsor, reading too many topics at the same time😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 13:33:02 GMT -7
I understand that Fog, I'm just saying it is hard to put the entire blame on the player when you look at the atmosphere he was thrown into... 6 coaches in 6 years. That would be tough for a North American born kid never mind a Russian. I'm sure some of it was the player but I doubt it was all of it looking at the big picture. I agree, there is no absolute truth in it. It's always some combination of both. I overreact to it, because it always seems like fans absolve the player of any responsibility. As they say 'you can't fire all the players' . I guess the coaches could have caved, coached the rest of the teams, and let Yak skate around doing whatever he wanted. But, that doesn't sound like something an NHL level coach would or should do, does it? Yak had lived and played fulltime in Canada for two seasons before we drafted him, where he torched the OHL, so it's not like we plucked from some obscure club team in Russia. He was offered a dream job with tens of millions of potential earnings and he couldn't, or wasn't willing to, figure out how to do the job. I think a lot of people in that circumstance would try a lot harder to figure it out. I will never forget when he scored and slide to center ice...Players and fans were kinda in shock...if there was cartoon bubbles above everyone's heads the caption would have been: does this kid think he just scored the overtime goal in game 7 of the cup? He liked the attention of being the scorer and did not do much to orchestrate much if anything to get there.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 8, 2021 13:49:01 GMT -7
Krueger had most of the “young guns” playing well albeit with little D responsibility. Whether that “kid glove” treatment ruined them is debatable as I kinda side with Fog here. If a kid is given the opportunity to make millions and become an nhl star and he can’t be bothered or is unwilling to be coached to play a certain way, there’s not much sympathy to be had. After all FOA’s usually get several chances and Yak had his share but he failed with several teams and structures, not just oilers
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 15:33:30 GMT -7
Krueger had most of the “young guns” playing well albeit with little D responsibility. Whether that “kid glove” treatment ruined them is debatable as I kinda side with Fog here. If a kid is given the opportunity to make millions and become an nhl star and he can’t be bothered or is unwilling to be coached to play a certain way, there’s not much sympathy to be had. After all FOA’s usually get several chances and Yak had his share but he failed with several teams and structures, not just oilers Yeah maybe I am giving him too much benefit of doubt and saying 6 teams in 6 years... his game did not change at all in those years and may have actually been worse by the end. I suppose having 6 teams try to help you out and with zero accomplishments in any aspect it probably is the Player. Unfortunate to say the least as many younger players would have wished for the same opportunities given to Yak. Effort seems to be the key to an NHL career more so then just skill.
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