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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 2, 2021 10:43:24 GMT -7
Why are the people in power of the team that's getting screwed over by this unfair practice not doing any b!tching? That's what makes me the maddest. Our own ownership and management know it's happening but they sit there and take it like a chained up dog having rocks thrown at it. Tip and McD have both done it subtly, if you criticize too much you def won't get the calls. You also have a PP running at 50% and 30% in prior years so that's why other teams get away with it. If our PP was much less effective we would get more calls. Have to play through it... I agree we need to protect our star players and let them shine. The league is suppose to allow for that. Since our PP is so deadly, it works against us. Sadly
The best way to ensure our success is to get it done 5-5. It's still a question mark. In the playoffs with less calls, you need to get it done that way.
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Post by Bronco73 on Nov 2, 2021 11:48:07 GMT -7
Why are the people in power of the team that's getting screwed over by this unfair practice not doing any b!tching? That's what makes me the maddest. Our own ownership and management know it's happening but they sit there and take it like a chained up dog having rocks thrown at it. Tip and McD have both done it subtly, if you criticize too much you def won't get the calls. You also have a PP running at 50% and 30% in prior years so that's why mother teams get away with it.
If our PP was much less effective we would get more calls. Have to play through it...
I agree we need to protect our star players and let them shine. The league is suppose to allow for that. Since our PP is so deadly, it works against us. Sadly
It shouldn't though, that's the entire point here, and this organization should be very voiceful about the unfairness. Calgary went to the press a few years ago about how they felt they were getting shafted by officiating and it worked for them without repurcussions from the league or it's refs.
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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 2, 2021 12:28:45 GMT -7
Tip and McD have both done it subtly, if you criticize too much you def won't get the calls. You also have a PP running at 50% and 30% in prior years so that's why mother teams get away with it.
If our PP was much less effective we would get more calls. Have to play through it...
I agree we need to protect our star players and let them shine. The league is suppose to allow for that. Since our PP is so deadly, it works against us. Sadly
It shouldn't though, that's the entire point here, and this organization should be very voiceful about the unfairness. Calgary went to the press a few years ago about how they felt they were getting shafted by officiating and it worked for them without repurcussions from the league or it's refs. We can feel that way since the Ducks loss in the playoffs. What I talked about is true, the NHL favoring some of the US NHL teams is also real.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Nov 2, 2021 14:17:31 GMT -7
It shouldn't though, that's the entire point here, and this organization should be very voiceful about the unfairness. Calgary went to the press a few years ago about how they felt they were getting shafted by officiating and it worked for them without repurcussions from the league or it's refs. We can feel that way since the Ducks loss in the playoffs. What I talked about is true, the NHL favoring some of the US NHL teams is also real. Too true, I still remember seeing Perry "innocently" skating through the blue paint, and subtly catching Cam Talbot's skate which was enough for the puck to hit the back of the net............and then the infamous holding of Talbot's pad down as another puck went into the net. Lets call a spade a spade, we were cheated out of moving to the round of the play offs.......just as we are being cheated now with the absolute minimum of calls being made in favour of Connor McDavid.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 2, 2021 14:18:10 GMT -7
It shouldn't though, that's the entire point here, and this organization should be very voiceful about the unfairness. Calgary went to the press a few years ago about how they felt they were getting shafted by officiating and it worked for them without repurcussions from the league or it's refs. We can feel that way since the Ducks loss in the playoffs. What I talked about is true, the NHL favoring some of the US NHL teams is also real. the problem with the NHL and with reffing is the "old boy" culture it invokes. If McD came right out and said the reffing is garbage, he'd be branded by everyone as a whiner (From Bettman,the refs, every NHL affiliate and every other fan base in the land). Yet I've heard so called experts state that: the refs don't call pens on him because it would be "unfair"!! WTF??? What a Kuzmenkoed up attitude! The system is broken and no one wants to fix it, because no one wants to speak up lest the finger "J'accuse" gets pointed at them. So it gets swept under the carpet, a few whispers in the hallways and a few sniggers along the way and everyone pretends everything is Hunky Dory? Does this attitude sound familiar?? They wonder how terrible things can go "unnoticed" when the truth is they're not unnoticed, they are just ignored in the hopes the complaint goes away. My guess is that McD will start getting the calls about 5 years from now when he's "paid his dues" just like "Sid the kid" did and preferably when he's playing for an american market/owner that will not stand for this bullshit and call Bettman personally and say "get your ff'ing refs in line or i'm voting you out in the next AGM!! The attitude really is appalling and it's no wonder even far more insidious things than "bad reffing" get treated the same way!
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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 2, 2021 16:57:15 GMT -7
Lucic said it back then, on the non calls.
To be the best in the playoffs, be at your best 5-5, the special teams may or may not work out for you. Folks once again with a super strong PP we need to take the next step 5-5 with less calls in the playoffs. It needs to be done even though we deserve a million penalties!
Good goaltending, good defense, good 5-5 play
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Post by fogolin2 on Nov 2, 2021 17:24:07 GMT -7
What do you expect from employees of an organisation that instills "looking the other way" as being BBP (Best Business Practice)? Refs are far more likely to be disciplined/lose job for calling the game honestly, than for using the GMS. It's deeply ironic that everyone seems to know they "manage the games" but no one in power seems willing to step up and say/do something? I can't imagine the problems of creating this kind of culture could cause?? Why are the people in power of the team that's getting screwed over by this unfair practice not doing any b!tching? That's what makes me the maddest. Our own ownership and management know it's happening but they sit there and take it like a chained up dog having rocks thrown at it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some conversation happening behind the scenes. Airing that laundry in front of the camera could make the situation much worse.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Nov 2, 2021 18:03:05 GMT -7
Playing devil’s advocate…. Bettman has made the owners an owners sized boatload of money. I have 2 choices make the Oilers fans happy and expand the market by maybe 1%, or do I manage the show that’s on the ice and grow the market 5% with the new bandwagon American fans. If my focus is on $, then I’m going to do my darndest to control the script of what happens. It’s not so much about the game anymore. You do what’s most profitable.
And don’t forget, player salaries are impacted by the cap which is impacted by the money the owners make.
Sad that it’s come to this. Katz may not care so much about the money. I really think he’d love a cup, but he’s one vote/voice.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 2, 2021 20:21:52 GMT -7
Playing devil’s advocate…. Bettman has made the owners an owners sized boatload of money. I have 2 choices make the Oilers fans happy and expand the market by maybe 1%, or do I manage the show that’s on the ice and grow the market 5% with the new bandwagon American fans. If my focus is on $, then I’m going to do my darndest to control the script of what happens. It’s not so much about the game anymore. You do what’s most profitable. And don’t forget, player salaries are impacted by the cap which is impacted by the money the owners make. Sad that it’s come to this. Katz may not care so much about the money. I really think he’d love a cup, but he’s one vote/voice. I think you’re spot on AO. But I’m watching updates of flames and nucks games rn and both are getting Ticky tack power plays and both have had 5pp already so what the Fff is up with oilers barely getting 2 a night when we have 2 most gifted forwards on planet?? Did Katz Kuzmenko Bettman’s dog or something or did we forget to pay into the red association Xmas fund. It’s getting ridiculous how bad reffing is in oiler games. It’s basically cheating nothing more nothing less |
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Post by drtaf on Nov 2, 2021 20:43:40 GMT -7
Update: flames got 6pp and nucks have 5 after 2 periods. What is the over under on oilers getting more than 3pp against the same preds? I’m gonna say under
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