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Post by igibb on Nov 8, 2021 14:14:14 GMT -7
Don't get me wrong winning is what is important right now and we are doing that but we are so heavily reliant on the PP that it is going to be trouble come playoff time if we don't get better 5 on 5 when those PP chances vanish. I agree. I think our 5 on 5 goals against will decrease as the year goes on. Bouchard is going to improve more and more as the year goes on. I think our D over all is going to get better. They'll tighten up (hopefully). It's not even all a D issue. Our third line started gangbusters and are now getting caved on a nightly basis and our 4th line can barely be put on the ice. Our bottom 6 need to step up their games in a big way. I wonder if that is part of the thinking of moving Yamamoto down to the third line to try and get some defensive responsibility on that line.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Nov 8, 2021 14:18:16 GMT -7
I agree. I think our 5 on 5 goals against will decrease as the year goes on. Bouchard is going to improve more and more as the year goes on. I think our D over all is going to get better. They'll tighten up (hopefully). It's not even all a D issue. Our third line started gangbusters and are now getting caved on a nightly basis and our 4th line can barely be put on the ice. Our bottom 6 need to step up their games in a big way. 4th line I can agree with. I think the 3rd line is fine. Both wingers have 5 points in 10 games or less. Derek Ryan needs to put up more points, but he's doing his part on the dot. 58.1%.
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Post by igibb on Nov 8, 2021 14:21:59 GMT -7
It's not even all a D issue. Our third line started gangbusters and are now getting caved on a nightly basis and our 4th line can barely be put on the ice. Our bottom 6 need to step up their games in a big way. 4th line I can agree with. I think the 3rd line is fine. Both wingers have 5 points in 10 games or less. Derek Ryan needs to put up more points, but he's doing his part on the dot. 58.1%. But again they are giving up more goals than they are scoring. Foegele is -4, Ryan is -4, Kassian is -3, Shore is -3. Your third line can't be giving up more than it scores.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Nov 8, 2021 14:22:48 GMT -7
4th line I can agree with. I think the 3rd line is fine. Both wingers have 5 points in 10 games or less. Derek Ryan needs to put up more points, but he's doing his part on the dot. 58.1%. But again they are giving up more goals than they are scoring. Foegele is -4, Ryan is -4, Kassian is -3, Shore is -3. Your third line can't be giving up more than it scores. True.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 8, 2021 14:52:07 GMT -7
OOf, tough crowd, hate to think what’s going to happen “when” we go on a losing streak or not win 9out of10🤣
Fwiw though, I agree we can’t expect the pp to keep at 50% or for McD and Drai to keep bailing us out. That might get us to playoffs but it won’t get us past 1st round. As much as it chokes me to say it, the flames are playing a more sustainable style of hockey that translates better to playoffs. They apply the dagger when they need to and apply choking D when they have to. Having Markstrom play like he is atm also helps and allows these things to happen. Do I think we should be able to outplay flames given the player for player talent? Absolutely! But then that points to flames having superior systems or coaching or both.
Now I need to go somewhere and throw up 🤮
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Nov 8, 2021 15:16:34 GMT -7
OOf, tough crowd, hate to think what’s going to happen “when” we go on a losing streak or not win 9out of10🤣 Fwiw though, I agree we can’t expect the pp to keep at 50% or for McD and Drai to keep bailing us out. That might get us to playoffs but it won’t get us past 1st round. As much as it chokes me to say it, the flames are playing a more sustainable style of hockey that translates better to playoffs. They apply the dagger when they need to and apply choking D when they have to. Having Markstrom play like he is atm also helps and allows these things to happen. Do I think we should be able to outplay flames given the player for player talent? Absolutely! But then that points to flames having superior systems or coaching or both. Now I need to go somewhere and throw up 🤮 1. The Flames are playing playoff hockey right now, yes, but it's not sustainable over a full season + playoffs. They're gonna wear themselves out eventually. 2. Markstrom can't sustain his current level of play. He's on a hot streak, and that streak will cool down. He'll eventually level out to 2.4-2.6GAA. Which is still really good, but this 1.65 he currently has... it won't stay. If it does, well... the Flames will be a threat then.
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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 8, 2021 16:06:30 GMT -7
Sorry guys and gals. Like everyone I am ecstatic that we are 9-1, best start in history. We have a nice cushion in case we go through a lull or go through some injuries. Super happy. As others have pointed out today and as Tipp has pointed out after many of the games there is room for improvement. You want and need your bottom 6 to be even at least to be a top team. Our 3rd line started off nice and the stats have been pointed out in the posts above. Those stats would be much worse if those guys weren't producing. I'm not worried about the production, I'm worried about the defense. The -4 above over 10 games if things do not change end up being -30 or -35 over 82 games. Your top 6 can light it up but if your bottom 6 cannot stay even then you are a good team, not a great team. Sorry for critiquing, we can go 72-10 this season and be bounced out of the 1st round again easily. Some areas we need to be better or it will cost us eventually regardless of the 9-1 start. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kass moved up and Yammo moved down like we saw in practice yesterday, Tipp is doing this because he sees the same things I am seeing.
Igibb is right on the money. 5 on 5 play, 23 goals for, 21 against. Our special teams has been great both ways but in the playoffs that's less prevalent. 5 on 5 is where games are won and lost. Unless things change and the refs call more penalties of course but they have not... if we all recall in last years playoffs McD didn't get one call all series. Our special teams is a huge advantage but that advantage tends to get wiped out in the playoffs.
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Post by Bronco73 on Nov 8, 2021 16:18:55 GMT -7
Sorry guys and gals. Like everyone I am ecstatic that we are 9-1, best start in history. We have a nice cushion in case we go through a lull or go through some injuries. Super happy. As others have pointed out today and as Tipp has pointed out after many of the games there is room for improvement. You want and need your bottom 6 to be even at least to be a top team. Our 3rd line started off nice and the stats have been pointed out in the posts above. Those stats would be much worse if those guys weren't producing. I'm not worried about the production, I'm worried about the defense. The -4 above over 10 games if things do not change end up being -30 or -35 over 82 games. Your top 6 can light it up but if your bottom 6 cannot stay even then you are a good team, not a great team. Sorry for critiquing, we can go 72-10 this season and be bounced out of the 1st round again easily. Some areas we need to be better or it will cost us eventually regardless of the 9-1 start. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kass moved up and Yammo moved down like we saw in practice yesterday, Tipp is doing this because he sees the same things I am seeing.
Igibb is right on the money. 5 on 5 play, 23 goals for, 21 against. Our special teams has been great both ways but in the playoffs that's less prevalent. 5 on 5 is where games are won and lost. Unless things change and the refs call more penalties of course but they have not... if we all recall in last years playoffs McD didn't get one call all series. Our special teams is a huge advantage but that advantage tends to get wiped out in the playoffs.
I completely agree on the defense, it is woeful again this year. We give up way too many high risk scoring chances every game, WAY too many. If we don't tighten up, when we do start playing the leagues better teams we will be hooped.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 8, 2021 19:30:17 GMT -7
It may be a first but I think everyone here more or less agree😉. D needs to be a level or 2 better if we are going to have an impact in playoffs! and I kinda agree with you mbm, I’ve seen the flames do this time and time again, ironically last time sutter was in charge and kipper was in net😉However, their team is deeper this time around and although I’ve no idea how sutter is getting this very average collection of D to play way above average D, Its really working for them rn. Hopefully, the wheels fall off and they drive over the cliff and Markstrom comes down to earth. However at this very moment in time, I’d be very worried to play a team like them in the playoffs. Let’s hope our D improves and theirs declines over the next 70ish games🤞🤞
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Post by happyhappy on Nov 8, 2021 19:32:48 GMT -7
In 6 or 7 out of our 10 games we have played backup tenders. Several times we played teams on back to backs or 3 in 4 nights. Playing teams with some of their better players out with injury. It has been a lighter schedule. Until last game, all the games prior were 35-40+ shots against. Great we are finding ways to win, just not the best recipe for success.
Again facing Detroit next, their 3rd game in 4. It's an advantage and we should have a little more juice. Yes we have played 3 good teams but most of the time we have some advantage one way or another.
Oh boy. You need to buy better cornflakes, the box without pee in it and false info on the outside. Here we go, I checked the stats to make sure I'm not crazy. Your stats are fascinatingly incorrect and I wonder where you pull them from. Here's the facts Jack, to your false points: -In our 10 games thus far we have played 7 starter tenders, 3 back-ups. We have played our back-up 8 of of 10 games. -In our last 5 games we have allowed less then 35 shots (25,33,29,30,34). 4 of 5 games earlier in the season we did allow more then 35 shots, however we won all those games. Quality not quantity sometimes. We have only allowed 35+ shots 4 times, not 9 like you suggest, and we are improving in this area. -Detroit should not be taken for granted, they are a good team. That said, I expect an Oiler win. Smile Windsor, we'll have our bad spells this season but our start has not been one of them. 
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Post by mrtea on Nov 8, 2021 20:19:22 GMT -7
Sorry guys and gals. Like everyone I am ecstatic that we are 9-1, best start in history. We have a nice cushion in case we go through a lull or go through some injuries. Super happy. As others have pointed out today and as Tipp has pointed out after many of the games there is room for improvement. You want and need your bottom 6 to be even at least to be a top team. Our 3rd line started off nice and the stats have been pointed out in the posts above. Those stats would be much worse if those guys weren't producing. I'm not worried about the production, I'm worried about the defense. The -4 above over 10 games if things do not change end up being -30 or -35 over 82 games. Your top 6 can light it up but if your bottom 6 cannot stay even then you are a good team, not a great team. Sorry for critiquing, we can go 72-10 this season and be bounced out of the 1st round again easily. Some areas we need to be better or it will cost us eventually regardless of the 9-1 start. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kass moved up and Yammo moved down like we saw in practice yesterday, Tipp is doing this because he sees the same things I am seeing.
Igibb is right on the money. 5 on 5 play, 23 goals for, 21 against. Our special teams has been great both ways but in the playoffs that's less prevalent. 5 on 5 is where games are won and lost. Unless things change and the refs call more penalties of course but they have not... if we all recall in last years playoffs McD didn't get one call all series. Our special teams is a huge advantage but that advantage tends to get wiped out in the playoffs.
I completely agree on the defense, it is woeful again this year. We give up way too many high risk scoring chances every game, WAY too many. If we don't tighten up, when we do start playing the leagues better teams we will be hooped. I can see why you guys are concerned, but there are also reasons to be hopeful for improved play down the stretch. First I agree we have seen some shaky games defensively, but there is a bright side. The bright side is that the Oilers are a team with many new players who are still learning to play with each other, the team is still building chemistry. It most certainly can get better. I'll start with goaltending and then go through the team. Koskinen has been much improved this season so far and it looks like he will be decent going further. I am not seeing the terrible brain farts that he was known for previously, well there were a couple of games he let in some bad ones but they are forgivable. The point is that he and Smith are capable of good goaltending for us going forward. On defense we have been lucky to be winning games even though we have not been always great back there. There is plenty of reason to believe we can and will be better in the back end. Nurse has been good, but he can and probably will get better as he does each year. Barrie started slow last season and looks to be picking his game up as we go, again this season he can get better. Bouchard has come in looking good, but as a rookie has made mistakes and will make more, but he will continue to improve more than he will disappoint. Cici has done a good job fitting in, but I think he can do better as he continues to gel with the team. Keith has looked good but does show his age once in a while. Mostly though, Keith looks liked the grizzled vet that he is making smart veteran plays and adding composure to the back end. I think he can also get better as he dials in going further. Our forwards McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Hyman, Puljujarvi and Yamamoto are still getting better, believe it or not they will continue to improve. Our bottom six are still gelling and as it has been pointed out need to continue getting better. I think they can do just that. Our bottom six are better this year than the six we had last year and each can hit a higher level as the year goes on. As good as we have looked at times, we can look much better. It takes time to gel and improve and I think that is what we are seeing. Luckily we are winning as we are gelling. Don't forget that Holland is watching the team and everyone from management down knows we are going for it this season. So once it gets close to the trade deadline Holland will do some tinkering to improve the team even more in some positions. It is a good time to be an Oiler fan!
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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 8, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -7
In 6 or 7 out of our 10 games we have played backup tenders. Several times we played teams on back to backs or 3 in 4 nights. Playing teams with some of their better players out with injury. It has been a lighter schedule. Until last game, all the games prior were 35-40+ shots against. Great we are finding ways to win, just not the best recipe for success. Again facing Detroit next, their 3rd game in 4. It's an advantage and we should have a little more juice. Yes we have played 3 good teams but most of the time we have some advantage one way or another.
Oh boy. You need to buy better cornflakes, the box without pee in it and false info on the outside. Here we go, I checked the stats to make sure I'm not crazy. Your stats are fascinatingly incorrect and I wonder where you pull them from. Here's the facts Jack, to your false points: -In our 10 games thus far we have played 7 starter tenders, 3 back-ups. We have played our back-up 8 of of 10 games. -In our last 5 games we have allowed less then 35 shots (25,33,29,30,34). 4 of 5 games earlier in the season we did allow more then 35 shots, however we won all those games. Quality not quantity sometimes. We have only allowed 35+ shots 4 times, not 9 like you suggest, and we are improving in this area. -Detroit should not be taken for granted, they are a good team. That said, I expect an Oiler win. Smile Windsor, we'll have our bad spells this season but our start has not been one of them. Not sure why you are nitpicking. So I'm not perfect, what is our avg shots per game allowed before last game? Probably in the mid to high 30's as a whole. Either way, it's too many. Wasn't talking about the last 5 games. Georgiev, Ingram, Daccord, Vejmelka, Stolarz, Hart (who is playing more than I thought). That was my 6 and 5 out of the 6 are def backups. Which is an advantage for us when we play those teams. Wasn't talking about our backups. Anyways
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Post by happyhappy on Nov 8, 2021 20:56:05 GMT -7
Oh boy. You need to buy better cornflakes, the box without pee in it and false info on the outside. Here we go, I checked the stats to make sure I'm not crazy. Your stats are fascinatingly incorrect and I wonder where you pull them from. Here's the facts Jack, to your false points: -In our 10 games thus far we have played 7 starter tenders, 3 back-ups. We have played our back-up 8 of of 10 games. -In our last 5 games we have allowed less then 35 shots (25,33,29,30,34). 4 of 5 games earlier in the season we did allow more then 35 shots, however we won all those games. Quality not quantity sometimes. We have only allowed 35+ shots 4 times, not 9 like you suggest, and we are improving in this area. -Detroit should not be taken for granted, they are a good team. That said, I expect an Oiler win. Smile Windsor, we'll have our bad spells this season but our start has not been one of them. Not sure why you are nitpicking. So I'm not perfect, what is our avg shots per game allowed before last game? Probably in the mid to high 30's as a whole. Either way, it's too many. Wasn't talking about the last 5 games. Georgiev, Ingram, Daccord, Vejmelka, Stolarz, Hart (who is playing more than I thought). That was my 6 and 5 out of the 6 are def backups. Which is an advantage for us when we play those teams. Wasn't talking about our backups. Anyways Not nitpicking just "keeping things real" as you say and separating false statements from facts. Nobody is perfect, I am far from it, just don't pull BS from the sky bc you are unhappy with our 9-1-0 start. Hart and Nedj are starters. I digress. Good day to you sir. GOG!
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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 8, 2021 21:55:29 GMT -7
Not sure why you are nitpicking. So I'm not perfect, what is our avg shots per game allowed before last game? Probably in the mid to high 30's as a whole. Either way, it's too many. Wasn't talking about the last 5 games. Georgiev, Ingram, Daccord, Vejmelka, Stolarz, Hart (who is playing more than I thought). That was my 6 and 5 out of the 6 are def backups. Which is an advantage for us when we play those teams. Wasn't talking about our backups. Anyways Not nitpicking just "keeping things real" as you say and separating false statements from facts. Nobody is perfect, I am far from it, just don't pull BS from the sky bc you are unhappy with our 9-1-0 start. Hart and Nedj are starters. I digress. Good day to you sir. GOG! Just because a goalie has played more games does not mean they are the starters. Nedj doesn't even have a pic of him on NHL.com lol. I would say Hutton and Jones would be the starters but hey whatever, keep it real. I'll be sure to be more thorough and post the exact facts and numbers rather being approximate next time. Who cares... |
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Post by sharptooth on Nov 8, 2021 22:05:41 GMT -7
I’m just going to focus on enjoying the ride! So far so good!!
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Nov 8, 2021 22:20:17 GMT -7
Not nitpicking just "keeping things real" as you say and separating false statements from facts. Nobody is perfect, I am far from it, just don't pull BS from the sky bc you are unhappy with our 9-1-0 start. Hart and Nedj are starters. I digress. Good day to you sir. GOG! Just because a goalie has played more games does not mean they are the starters. Nedj doesn't even have a pic of him on NHL.com lol. I would say Hutton and Jones would be the starters but hey whatever, keep it real. I'll be sure to be more thorough and post the exact facts and numbers rather being approximate next time. Who cares... Nedj? Nedeljkovic? He has his pic on NHL.com. Or did you mean Arizona's Vejmelka?
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Post by happyhappy on Nov 8, 2021 22:20:36 GMT -7
Not nitpicking just "keeping things real" as you say and separating false statements from facts. Nobody is perfect, I am far from it, just don't pull BS from the sky bc you are unhappy with our 9-1-0 start. Hart and Nedj are starters. I digress. Good day to you sir. GOG! Just because a goalie has played more games does not mean they are the starters. Nedj doesn't even have a pic of him on NHL.com lol. I would say Hutton and Jones would be the starters but hey whatever, keep it real. I'll be sure to be more thorough and post the exact facts and numbers rather being approximate next time. Who cares... Nvmd. GOG!
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Post by windsoroiler on Nov 8, 2021 22:49:53 GMT -7
Just because a goalie has played more games does not mean they are the starters. Nedj doesn't even have a pic of him on NHL.com lol. I would say Hutton and Jones would be the starters but hey whatever, keep it real. I'll be sure to be more thorough and post the exact facts and numbers rather being approximate next time. Who cares... Nedj? Nedeljkovic? He has his pic on NHL.com. Or did you mean Arizona's Vejmelka? Yes Vej, sorry. No pic and never heard of him but he has started in 7 games not Hutton. If guys are upset that I'm pointing out some advantages we've had and some flaws here and there... It makes for discussion not trying to bash the team. |
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Post by sharptooth on Nov 9, 2021 0:28:11 GMT -7
Nedj? Nedeljkovic? He has his pic on NHL.com. Or did you mean Arizona's Vejmelka? Yes Vej, sorry. No pic and never heard of him but he has started in 7 games not Hutton. If guys are upset that I'm pointing out some advantages we've had and some flaws here and there... It makes for discussion not trying to bash the team. I personally think there has been some very good discussion going on. I think we are going to improve in some or most of the areas you highlighted above as the season rolls on. Also if we go through the season looking as good as we have in the first 10 I could see KH making some big deadline deals possibly improving our weaker areas of the game. This is also the most possessed I have seen some of our players as well. They have it in their minds that nothing is gonna stop them. You gotta admit that the first 10 games have been very good and very entertaining. Let the good times roll!! |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Nov 9, 2021 0:35:35 GMT -7
Yes Vej, sorry. No pic and never heard of him but he has started in 7 games not Hutton. If guys are upset that I'm pointing out some advantages we've had and some flaws here and there... It makes for discussion not trying to bash the team. I personally think there has been some very good discussion going on. I think we are going to improve in some or most of the areas you highlighted above as the season rolls on. Also if we go through the season looking as good as we have in the first 10 I could see KH making some big deadline deals possibly improving our weaker areas of the game. This is also the most possessed I have seen some of our players as well. They have it in their minds that nothing is gonna stop them. You gotta admit that the first 10 games have been very good and very entertaining. Let the good times roll!! I wonder if we could work out a deal for Anderson from Montreal. Yamo plus whatever. He’d be a great second line right winger. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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