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Post by mrtea on Oct 21, 2022 9:45:52 GMT -7
Canes were patient with Necas, looks like it's starting to work out. Pulj hopefully the same. But so far 4GP, 0G 0A, -4 with avg 12 minutes a game. Can Holloway and Broberg stay healthy for more than 5 minutes? That was a big check on Holloway but he put himself in the position to do that. We need at least one of Pulj/Yammo/Foegele/Holloway to get going. All of them except Holloway are now 3 million dollar players so more is expected. Kane, Nuge and Hyman are doing fine on the wings. Need 1-2 more guys to get going.
Our D should be fine. There is an issue at #6 D. Hopefully it's just a matter of Murray needing a bit more time. If we do get an injury to a top 4 D could be trouble...
In the mean time:
If Holloway is going to be out, send down Shore then recall Hamblin and Kostin. A 4th line of Ryan/Hamblin/Kostin could be what the doctor ordered... As you can see Demers continues to play in the Bake so it's a nice depth D that we can sign if things go south with the Oilers D. Hopefully Desharnais is back soon, another promising D that was injured for all of camp. Add Lavoie and Savoie to the list... I am not sure why Janmark is not playing???
Once Demers gets into decent game shape, I'm pretty sure we will see him recalled. Unless our D magically improves across the board, it's almost a given. I would prefer to see our D improve enough that recalling Demers isn't necessary, but that seems unlikely at this point. Having a healthy Desharnais, Lavoie and Savoie added to the mix of our farm team would be a very good thing, especially if they are getting close to playing on the big club. I asked this question earlier, does anyone know how Lavoie and Savoie were doing before the season started? Any updates at all would be welcome.
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Post by Bronco73 on Oct 21, 2022 14:44:13 GMT -7
Sure hope so because our D is still our biggest issue.
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Post by columbusoiler on Oct 22, 2022 8:22:44 GMT -7
Yay! An early game! Good for me, but maybe not so good for the Oil. Don't know if we still stink at afternoon games.
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Post by fogolin2 on Oct 22, 2022 8:28:09 GMT -7
Yay! An early game! Good for me, but maybe not so good for the Oil. Don't know if we still stink at afternoon games. It's a weird home afternoon game...so really not sure about this one. I do know, no matter what time the game starts, we need to start on time!
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Post by happyhappy on Oct 22, 2022 8:49:12 GMT -7
Yay! An early game! Good for me, but maybe not so good for the Oil. Don't know if we still stink at afternoon games. It's a weird home afternoon game...so really not sure about this one. I do know, no matter what time the game starts, we need to start on time! Yes sir, this has been a consistent problem for sure. Much tougher game when you're chasing it all the time as LD mentioned in a recent interview. Not rocket science. Also stinks for the fan lol. I know personally I enjoy the game and relax much more when we have the lead rather than when we are trailing and I'm on edge stressing out every time the opponent comes up the ice lol. That said, I also know our team definitely has the skill and ability to comeback from behind and it can be fun to watch when it happens, it's not a theme I want to get used to nor a recipe for long-term success! Kick some arse today boyz! GOG!! 
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Post by columbusoiler on Oct 22, 2022 11:20:42 GMT -7
Too early to start drinking beer? I think not.
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Post by fogolin2 on Oct 22, 2022 11:56:15 GMT -7
Too early to start drinking beer? I think not. whhooopsss...you're actually a bit late...
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Post by columbusoiler on Oct 22, 2022 12:32:19 GMT -7
Too early to start drinking beer? I think not. whhooopsss...you're actually a bit late... Lol. I only asked because my girlfriend was giving me the stink eye when I cracked one. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Oct 22, 2022 12:42:28 GMT -7
whhooopsss...you're actually a bit late... Lol. I only asked because my girlfriend was giving me the stink eye when I cracked one. Tell her that I said you were late.
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Post by sharptooth on Oct 22, 2022 12:51:12 GMT -7
whhooopsss...you're actually a bit late... Lol. I only asked because my girlfriend was giving me the stink eye when I cracked one. Also tell her Sharpie said it was ok! |
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Post by columbusoiler on Oct 22, 2022 13:01:17 GMT -7
Lol. Thanks fella's. We'll make her see the light.
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Post by Bronco73 on Oct 22, 2022 15:41:32 GMT -7
It's never a bad time for beer.
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Post by igibb on Oct 22, 2022 16:04:40 GMT -7
I am getting sick of the we dont have the right personnel excuse. They seem to have the personal to dominate teams when they are down by two in the third every night. Maybe if guys like Drai and McD and Kane and Nurse showed up like that in the first there wouldn't be as much pressure on the D. We have been playing from behind in almost 65% of our games last season and this. Seems odd to me that what everyone wants to claim is one of the best offensive teams in the league can't manage to score a goal first. I don’t see why the two points are incompatible Gibb? I think most people think we are weak on D so it becomes a question of what happens first? Does our “weak D” make the first egregious mistake and allows the first goal or does our “Superior F” “outskill” the op D and grab the lead? As you point out, it seems like 65% of the time Our D game gives up the goal before our F out-finesses the opps D? I should clarify that When I say D I’m referring to all 6 players on the ice D-play, since often the egregious Defensive error is made by a forward. They are incompatible because if this team has good enough players to dominate when they are down 2 goals they should have good enough players to dominate from the start of the game. It's not it seems like we give up the first goal 65% of the time we do give it up roughly 65% of the time. They put a stat up the other night that showed that last season and the start of this year we are the 4th worst team in the league at giving up the first goal. Only Arz, Sea and Mtl are worse and it like a 2 game difference between us being the fourth worst and being the worst in the league and it worked out to over 64% of the time. With our skill level there is absolutely no other reason than lack of effort that we should be anywhere near the same level as those teams on a stat like that.
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Post by drtaf on Oct 23, 2022 11:37:26 GMT -7
I actually agree with what your saying Gibb, I just think it demonstrates just how bad are D-game is in relation to our O-game? The fact that despite having arguably one of the most potent offences in the league, we are still near bottom for “having to come from behind “ shows to me just how bad our D-game is and it’s been like this for years! That suggests to me that the personnel that comprise our D-game, which includes both our D-men and our 3-4th lines Are simply not good enough! You can argue that our Top6 could also be better defensively as well and you get no argument from me, but those guys are paid primarily to score and they do that “well”! The fact is, our D-game is so bad, it somehow manages to find a way to give up the first goal before our “elite” O-guys can crack open the opposition D and that’s why I think we end up behind so often, hence both things can be right?
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Post by 94oildrops on Oct 23, 2022 14:48:48 GMT -7
8 years into the McDavid era and we are 3 defensemen away before there's any possibility that we can win the cup. Holland needs to go if he keeps refusing to trade for defensive help. Losing Keith really hurt us and Broberg is not remotely close to replacing him. It won't be long before Connor and Leon's patience will slip. This team needs to contend for a championship. Play time's over!
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Post by AlwaysOil on Oct 23, 2022 22:08:17 GMT -7
Was looking at the stats as we were talking about JP needing to be more physical. For hits the top 4 plus 29/97:
Kane 28
Bouchard 15
JP 14
Nurse 12
Connor 10
Draisaitl 1
Nurse to me has seemed ok for the hitting eye test. Wonder if Bouchard needs to be less physical and more positional? Drai was a surprise.
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Post by sharptooth on Oct 24, 2022 0:03:45 GMT -7
Was looking at the stats as we were talking about JP needing to be more physical. For hits the top 4 plus 29/97: Kane 28 Bouchard 15 JP 14 Nurse 12 Connor 10 Draisaitl 1 Nurse to me has seemed ok for the hitting eye test. Wonder if Bouchard needs to be less physical and more positional? Drai was a surprise. To me Drai has not looked himself. I’m not talking about points. His skating has no explosiveness to it. Also a lot of our hits are not crunching, they are love taps. |
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Post by happyhappy on Oct 24, 2022 6:34:35 GMT -7
So much for taking advantage of the six game homestand to start the season. If we can sneak outta town .500 I'll be surprised, tonight the 4-0-1 Pens are in town. Our division is sucking right out of the gate. Not surprising but we are really only competing for a playoff spot with the Flamers, Knights and Kings. 3 of the 4 get in. Maybe the Canucks claw their way back, I am shocked at the start they have had. But really, we are only 2 pts ahead of them lol and we probably shouldn't have won that game against them. They would and should be ahead of us in the standings. Anyway, we need to put together some wins sooner than later, it only gets harder as the season goes on. Need to double our shots from the Blues game tonight. McDavid vs Crosby, always fun. GOG!! |
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Post by igibb on Oct 24, 2022 11:21:37 GMT -7
I actually agree with what your saying Gibb, I just think it demonstrates just how bad are D-game is in relation to our O-game? The fact that despite having arguably one of the most potent offences in the league, we are still near bottom for “having to come from behind “ shows to me just how bad our D-game is and it’s been like this for years! That suggests to me that the personnel that comprise our D-game, which includes both our D-men and our 3-4th lines Are simply not good enough! You can argue that our Top6 could also be better defensively as well and you get no argument from me, but those guys are paid primarily to score and they do that “well”! The fact is, our D-game is so bad, it somehow manages to find a way to give up the first goal before our “elite” O-guys can crack open the opposition D and that’s why I think we end up behind so often, hence both things can be right? You seem to be missing my point. Our supposed elite players don't show up for half the game EVERY single night. If we are going to lay the blame on 3rd and 4th line guys when the guys making 12, 9, 8 and a slew at 5 Million dollars can't ever be bothered to show up at the start of the game then I don't know what to say. They shouldn't have to hold on every single night so the prima donnas can find their game 30 minutes into the night. Our top 6 forwards combined have 3 assists in the first period this year. That is pathetic. This team will never be a top contender if the top players cannot get themselves motivated to play until half way through a game on the majority of nights. I don't care who else is in the lineup.
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Post by Bronco73 on Oct 24, 2022 15:15:32 GMT -7
I actually agree with what your saying Gibb, I just think it demonstrates just how bad are D-game is in relation to our O-game? The fact that despite having arguably one of the most potent offences in the league, we are still near bottom for “having to come from behind “ shows to me just how bad our D-game is and it’s been like this for years! That suggests to me that the personnel that comprise our D-game, which includes both our D-men and our 3-4th lines Are simply not good enough! You can argue that our Top6 could also be better defensively as well and you get no argument from me, but those guys are paid primarily to score and they do that “well”! The fact is, our D-game is so bad, it somehow manages to find a way to give up the first goal before our “elite” O-guys can crack open the opposition D and that’s why I think we end up behind so often, hence both things can be right? You seem to be missing my point. Our supposed elite players don't show up for half the game EVERY single night. If we are going to lay the blame on 3rd and 4th line guys when the guys making 12, 9, 8 and a slew at 5 Million dollars can't ever be bothered to show up at the start of the game then I don't know what to say. They shouldn't have to hold on every single night so the prima donnas can find their game 30 minutes into the night. Our top 6 forwards combined have 3 assists in the first period this year. That is pathetic. This team will never be a top contender if the top players cannot get themselves motivated to play until half way through a game on the majority of nights. I don't care who else is in the lineup. Honestly I think every one of them deserves blame here. Every D regardless of paycheck, every forward the same. The only people that have shown up to start every game have been the goaltenders. Other than a couple weak goals this season they have been our only consistent players.
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