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Post by drtaf on Aug 20, 2024 16:31:18 GMT -7
That's why i asked when was the 1.1M tendered to broberg? SB has been in charge less than 2 weeks and this was dumped on him basically a few days after he was hired and Bro's agent said he'd been fielding "offer sheets" for "some time" so i dont see how this could possibly fall on SB's timeline? As for his rep, Armstrong stated clearly he'd have done this to his own mother so KH, Bowman etc?, makes no diff, it was a business decision no more no less. This fiasco was more than a year in the making and the architect of it all is having a good chuckle, sipping his vino overlooking OK lake dreaming of how he'll spend his $25M? KH's tenure may have ended before these OS's came but the biggest burden is on him IMO, not sorting this out a year ago. its all coulda shoulda woulda i know, but ironically, my belief is KH is old school and probably believes in the GM "bro code" of not offer sheeting another team and that's why he probably felt it was no big deal at the time and would not have seen this coming, even if he was still in charge? As for SB and his "rep" coming from the hawks, People are entitled to hold that against him if they want, my anger was/is aimed mostly on the perp who committed the crime. Once Jackson was in the picture we all know Holland's control was limited. Any negotiations that he did where within parameters that he got from Jackson. Doc, you yourself said basically the same thing once Jackson was on the scene. Everyone on this site that has any supposed knowledge of proper cap amounts all predicted contracts somewhere around 1.5 for both of these guys. In Holland's shoes if you want to arrive at a contract value of around 1.5 mil, you will start with an offer of around 1.1 mil as he was probably instructed to do. All this talk of Holland sipping his wine and not caring what happened is to me done in poor taste, Doc. Personally I expected better from you, I know he was not your favorite GM but there is no need for that kind of disrespect. Vent your anger at Jackson, we all know that's who was steering the ship most of the last year. It was widely circulated that oiler senior management and i presume this to mean JJ, had told KH to make signing broberg and Hollywood a priority in january. I dont think JJ got seriously involved in Gm'ing until after Kh was officially gone, but that's just my opinion IDK anymore than anyone else? If folks want to distribute the blame to all management for this fiasco then fine, but to say this problem had anything to do with SB is pretty ludicrous IMO. And maybe mocking Kh isnt fair HH, but its not his problem anymore, so i dont see why he wouldn't be having a few vinos and jokes on the golf course with his buddies, including his BFF Armstrong.
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Post by igibb on Aug 20, 2024 16:39:20 GMT -7
It's interesting that AFP Analytics who rate what they feel players should be paid in relation to their performance, advanced analytics and comparison to other players had Broberg getting $874,000 this year and Holloway at $1.008m. So compared to what players who have performed at the level these two have so far in their careers the Oilers offered fair compensation.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 20, 2024 16:40:47 GMT -7
Once Jackson was in the picture we all know Holland's control was limited. Any negotiations that he did where within parameters that he got from Jackson. Doc, you yourself said basically the same thing once Jackson was on the scene. Everyone on this site that has any supposed knowledge of proper cap amounts all predicted contracts somewhere around 1.5 for both of these guys. In Holland's shoes if you want to arrive at a contract value of around 1.5 mil, you will start with an offer of around 1.1 mil as he was probably instructed to do. All this talk of Holland sipping his wine and not caring what happened is to me done in poor taste, Doc. Personally I expected better from you, I know he was not your favorite GM but there is no need for that kind of disrespect. Vent your anger at Jackson, we all know that's who was steering the ship most of the last year. It was widely circulated that oiler senior management and i presume this to mean JJ, had told KH to make signing broberg and Hollywood a priority in january. I dont think JJ got seriously involved in Gm'ing until after Kh was officially gone, but that's just my opinion IDK anymore than anyone else? If folks want to distribute the blame to all management for this fiasco then fine, but to say this problem had anything to do with SB is pretty ludicrous IMO. And maybe mocking Kh isnt fair HH, but its not his problem anymore, so i dont see why he wouldn't be having a few vinos and jokes on the golf course with his buddies, including his BFF Armstrong. I'm not HH, I said nothing about it being SB's fault and I still think joking about Holland laughing at the Oilers situation is in really bad taste. Holland was part of that team for 5 years, he watched most of these guys grow into men in front of his eyes and I'm sure he wanted to win a cup as bad as they did. You cannot be involved in a team like he was and not care about the staff and the players. C'mon Doc, get real.
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 20, 2024 16:59:54 GMT -7
Once Jackson was in the picture we all know Holland's control was limited. Any negotiations that he did where within parameters that he got from Jackson. Doc, you yourself said basically the same thing once Jackson was on the scene. Everyone on this site that has any supposed knowledge of proper cap amounts all predicted contracts somewhere around 1.5 for both of these guys. In Holland's shoes if you want to arrive at a contract value of around 1.5 mil, you will start with an offer of around 1.1 mil as he was probably instructed to do. All this talk of Holland sipping his wine and not caring what happened is to me done in poor taste, Doc. Personally I expected better from you, I know he was not your favorite GM but there is no need for that kind of disrespect. Vent your anger at Jackson, we all know that's who was steering the ship most of the last year. It was widely circulated that oiler senior management and i presume this to mean JJ, had told KH to make signing broberg and Hollywood a priority in january. I dont think JJ got seriously involved in Gm'ing until after Kh was officially gone, but that's just my opinion IDK anymore than anyone else? If folks want to distribute the blame to all management for this fiasco then fine, but to say this problem had anything to do with SB is pretty ludicrous IMO. And maybe mocking Kh isnt fair HH, but its not his problem anymore, so i dont see why he wouldn't be having a few vinos and jokes on the golf course with his buddies, including his BFF Armstrong. Haha, are you referring to the wrong poster Doc. Where have I ever mocked Kenny lol?
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 20, 2024 17:02:07 GMT -7
It was widely circulated that oiler senior management and i presume this to mean JJ, had told KH to make signing broberg and Hollywood a priority in january. I dont think JJ got seriously involved in Gm'ing until after Kh was officially gone, but that's just my opinion IDK anymore than anyone else? If folks want to distribute the blame to all management for this fiasco then fine, but to say this problem had anything to do with SB is pretty ludicrous IMO. And maybe mocking Kh isnt fair HH, but its not his problem anymore, so i dont see why he wouldn't be having a few vinos and jokes on the golf course with his buddies, including his BFF Armstrong. , I said nothing about it being SB's fault and I still think joking about Holland laughing at the Oilers situation is in really bad taste. Holland was part of that team for 5 years, he watched most of these guys grow into men in front of his eyes and I'm sure he wanted to win a cup as bad as they did. You cannot be involved in a team like he was and not care about the staff and the players. C'mon Doc, get real. Me neither.  I'm really not sure who/what doc is referring to here lol.
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Post by happyhappy on Aug 20, 2024 17:07:48 GMT -7
It's interesting that AFP Analytics who rate what they feel players should be paid in relation to their performance, advanced analytics and comparison to other players had Broberg getting $874,000 this year and Holloway at $1.008m. So compared to what players who have performed at the level these two have so far in their careers the Oilers offered fair compensation. Wow, seems low, and surprised DH comes in pricier then Broberg. Meh. I hope we blow the Blues out 8-0 when we see them in December at home.  
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Post by yuke on Aug 20, 2024 17:42:07 GMT -7
Did Broberg want out?
Did Broberg's agent inform every team he wanted out?
Does anyone really think the agent waited till July 1 to start any conversations with teams? ( the agent has 16 players and the agency 92)
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Post by toley on Aug 20, 2024 18:44:29 GMT -7
Did Broberg want out? Did Broberg's agent inform every team he wanted out? Does anyone really think the agent waited till July 1 to start any conversations with teams? ( the agent has 16 players and the agency 92) I think Broberg wanted playing time, and he wasn't going to get that, til a starter was gone or he forced their hand to play him more. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 20, 2024 19:07:37 GMT -7
Did Broberg want out? Did Broberg's agent inform every team he wanted out? Does anyone really think the agent waited till July 1 to start any conversations with teams? ( the agent has 16 players and the agency 92) Agent asked in November. Apparently never changed the ask. Doesn't matter now. |
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Post by drtaf on Aug 21, 2024 8:37:57 GMT -7
It was widely circulated that oiler senior management and i presume this to mean JJ, had told KH to make signing broberg and Hollywood a priority in january. I dont think JJ got seriously involved in Gm'ing until after Kh was officially gone, but that's just my opinion IDK anymore than anyone else? If folks want to distribute the blame to all management for this fiasco then fine, but to say this problem had anything to do with SB is pretty ludicrous IMO. And maybe mocking Kh isnt fair HH, but its not his problem anymore, so i dont see why he wouldn't be having a few vinos and jokes on the golf course with his buddies, including his BFF Armstrong. I'm not HH, I said nothing about it being SB's fault and I still think joking about Holland laughing at the Oilers situation is in really bad taste. Holland was part of that team for 5 years, he watched most of these guys grow into men in front of his eyes and I'm sure he wanted to win a cup as bad as they did. You cannot be involved in a team like he was and not care about the staff and the players. C'mon Doc, get real. I actually wasn't being malicious T, KH does have quite a sense of humour and I'm sure a smile, however "wry" came across his face when he heard about the OS's and what his good friend had just done to the oilers(and no i dont think that makes KH in any way malicious or vindictive). AFAIC, KH is basically retired now so he's gone from being all business, to it just being a spectator sport like rest of us. As much as this whole OS thing did piss me off a bit, as a spectator, even i can see the funny side of it from a non-oiler POV and I tip my hat to Armstrong for doing his job. To paraphrase Armstrong from yesterday "My job and loyalties are to STL and the fans. IDGAF about any other GM or team, my job is to make STL as good as they can and win a cup"! I've stated all along that I think Kh has been middling as a GM, which ironically is a vast improvement over previous management. You obviously think he's been way better than that and you are entitled to your opinion and so am I. In this case, one GM did his job well, and IMO, the other didn't and SB was left to shovel up the crap left behind by his predecessor, as KH was after PC. (and it was windsor who was putting some blame on SB not HH or yourself).
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Post by drtaf on Aug 21, 2024 8:53:34 GMT -7
Did Broberg want out? Did Broberg's agent inform every team he wanted out? Does anyone really think the agent waited till July 1 to start any conversations with teams? ( the agent has 16 players and the agency 92) Agent asked in November. Apparently never changed the ask. Doesn't matter now. Agent said he also fielded multiple offer sheets but again no real timeline given? If November was the point at which the Org knew Bro was unhappy, then IMO "something" should have been done before the team lost control of the situation. From this angle, it looks like they pretty much ignored the situation, as he didnt get more ice time (until forced into playoffs), he wasnt given an offer worthy of negotiating and he wasn't traded? Time to move on, hope lessons were learnt and I wish both players well, as they were good soldiers for us and maybe didn't get quite the opportunities they should have?? I just hope their best games are against the nucks and other conference teams and not us.
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Post by yuke on Aug 21, 2024 10:49:32 GMT -7
Agent asked in November. Apparently never changed the ask. Doesn't matter now. Agent said he also fielded multiple offer sheets but again no real timeline given? If November was the point at which the Org knew Bro was unhappy, then IMO "something" should have been done before the team lost control of the situation. From this angle, it looks like they pretty much ignored the situation, as he didnt get more ice time (until forced into playoffs), he wasnt given an offer worthy of negotiating and he wasn't traded? Time to move on, hope lessons were learnt and I wish both players well, as they were good soldiers for us and maybe didn't get quite the opportunities they should have?? I just hope their best games are against the nucks and other conference teams and not us. Broberg's agent has 16 players, the agency 92. I'm confident the Blues and the agent(agency) had a little behind the scenes chat prior to July 1. The agent knew what the Blues had in mind. |
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Post by yuke on Aug 21, 2024 10:51:33 GMT -7
Holloway's pride may have taken a bit of a hit here. Oilers not matching a million dollar upgrade. They picked Ryan and Perry over him.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 21, 2024 11:49:21 GMT -7
Agent said he also fielded multiple offer sheets but again no real timeline given? If November was the point at which the Org knew Bro was unhappy, then IMO "something" should have been done before the team lost control of the situation. From this angle, it looks like they pretty much ignored the situation, as he didnt get more ice time (until forced into playoffs), he wasnt given an offer worthy of negotiating and he wasn't traded? Time to move on, hope lessons were learnt and I wish both players well, as they were good soldiers for us and maybe didn't get quite the opportunities they should have?? I just hope their best games are against the nucks and other conference teams and not us. Broberg's agent has 16 players, the agency 92. I'm confident the Blues and the agent(agency) had a little behind the scenes chat prior to July 1. The agent knew what the Blues had in mind. It's possible, maybe even probable, but then why wouldn't offer sheets happen far more often if agents could just go around fielding offers from teams? if that was really the case then I'd doubt any RFA would settle for the "min wage" offers they so often receive from the team holding their rights? Ironically, this lends to my argument that this business should have been taken care of a lot sooner, before other teams can really explore the possibility of offer sheeting highly regarded RFAs? I actually do wonder if teams will now treat signing RFAs differently and put more emphasis on locking them up sooner? I think there's been a league-wide blasé attitude towards RFAs and the possibility of offer sheets because they have been so rare, but every year there are some pretty high end RFAs available and contending teams tight against the cap (like oilers) are particularly vulnerable to OS since any team with cap to spare could do what STL did and offer $4.5M to an RFA knowing the comp is a measly 2nd rounder? If OS's start increasing, I think the league will have to re-evaluate the relative compensation for OS's because they're supposed to be a deterrent, but if you can pick up a player on the cusp of being a star for a 2nd rounder then teams would be actually stupid not to do so?
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 21, 2024 12:04:09 GMT -7
Holloway's pride may have taken a bit of a hit here. Oilers not matching a million dollar upgrade. They picked Ryan and Perry over him. Exactly, the mindset of having the vets seem to be the priority. And on top Holly was projected to be given the opp to be top 6. Now that Ard and Skinner are in he would be moved down. Yep we are in our win now cup window but cannot brush young players aside. Let players over ripen but because you have to pay the top guys and squeeze them on top? Unacceptable. Hopefully the new contracts are going to be a more balanced budget where young players can see their way to thrive and succeed as well. With a plan, to make themselves feel included. Yes this means leaving some bucks on the table. I know no one likes to hear it, pay your top guys no matter what, well now you see a team (as in our Oilers) than can be targeted. And in different ways. No one really expected this but we were an easy target. Moral is don't make yourself an easy target. Duh. We could have matched both if it was for 1 year. Was not prudent to match, why because Drai Bouch are going to be paid almost all of the $ next year. Offer sheet was not by mistake. There are much better players on the RFA list than Holloway and Broberg. Telling sign. Warned about all summer, especially with these new upcoming deals. Yeah, I know, yada yada. This is our best chance to win the cup and yet there are avenues for other teams to take advantage of us. Not acceptable. Who wouldn't like a Swayman on their team or a Mercer or ? Vast majority have enough to match, we don't. Few players make all the dough. When we do. Can't cover the bases. Not a recipe for success. As for Drai/McD if they sign long term, they will be moved down the lineup as they get older chances are, need enough $ to keep the young talent. St Louis as I am still pissed have a huge crop of guys under 25. Our crop is over 30, sure we can be good for a coupe of years, after that if the young stock isn't here then we can face a long rebuild, even with McD/Drai on our roster. It is stupid not to pay attention to this, fans see what is in front of them in two/three stars, not looking enough into the future. Yes I want our team to win and win for longer. That's the goal. Right now we have a team that is not cup or bust it is do or die. Too many eggs in a very small basket. Depending on the contracts, it can get worse. Not a fan of top players taking all the $ and you have a ton of 1 mil $ players surrounding them. Especially when they are players going into their 30's. I say no to this model. Period.
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Post by yuke on Aug 21, 2024 12:14:31 GMT -7
Broberg's agent has 16 players, the agency 92. I'm confident the Blues and the agent(agency) had a little behind the scenes chat prior to July 1. The agent knew what the Blues had in mind. It's possible, maybe even probable, but then why wouldn't offer sheets happen far more often if agents could just go around fielding offers from teams? if that was really the case then I'd doubt any RFA would settle for the "min wage" offers they so often receive from the team holding their rights? Ironically, this lends to my argument that this business should have been taken care of a lot sooner, before other teams can really explore the possibility of offer sheeting highly regarded RFAs? I actually do wonder if teams will now treat signing RFAs differently and put more emphasis on locking them up sooner? I think there's been a league-wide blasé attitude towards RFAs and the possibility of offer sheets because they have been so rare, but every year there are some pretty high end RFAs available and contending teams tight against the cap (like oilers) are particularly vulnerable to OS since any team with cap to spare could do what STL did and offer $4.5M to an RFA knowing the comp is a measly 2nd rounder? If OS's start increasing, I think the league will have to re-evaluate the relative compensation for OS's because they're supposed to be a deterrent, but if you can pick up a player on the cusp of being a star for a 2nd rounder then teams would be actually stupid not to do so? You should listen to the Blues GM interview. No point in offering if they can be matched. Detroit has a couple very good RFAs but they have 17 million set aside. GMs don't want to drive up the prices and that will happen it they get matched |
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Post by mrtea on Aug 21, 2024 12:28:12 GMT -7
Holloway's pride may have taken a bit of a hit here. Oilers not matching a million dollar upgrade. They picked Ryan and Perry over him. Exactly, the mindset of having the vets seem to be the priority. And on top Holly was projected to be given the opp to be top 6. Now that Ard and Skinner are in he would be moved down. Yep we are in our win now cup window but cannot brush young players aside. Let players over ripen but because you have to pay the top guys and squeeze them on top? Unacceptable. Hopefully the new contracts are going to be a more balanced budget where young players can see their way to thrive and succeed as well. With a plan, to make themselves feel included. Yes this means leaving some bucks on the table. I know no one likes to hear it, pay your top guys no matter what, well now you see a team (as in our Oilers) than can be targeted. And in different ways. No one really expected this but we were an easy target. Moral is don't make yourself an easy target. Duh. We could have matched both if it was for 1 year. Was not prudent to match, why because Drai Bouch are going to be paid almost all of the $ next year. Offer sheet was not by mistake. There are much better players on the RFA list than Holloway and Broberg. Telling sign. Warned about all summer, especially with these new upcoming deals. Yeah, I know, yada yada. This is our best chance to win the cup and yet there are avenues for other teams to take advantage of us. Not acceptable. Who wouldn't like a Swayman on their team or a Mercer or ? Vast majority have enough to match, we don't. Few players make all the dough. When we do. Can't cover the bases. Not a recipe for success. As for Drai/McD if they sign long term, they will be moved down the lineup as they get older chances are, need enough $ to keep the young talent. St Louis as I am still pissed have a huge crop of guys under 25. Our crop is over 30, sure we can be good for a coupe of years, after that if the young stock isn't here then we can face a long rebuild, even with McD/Drai on our roster. It is stupid not to pay attention to this, fans see what is in front of them in two/three stars, not looking enough into the future. Yes I want our team to win and win for longer. That's the goal. Right now we have a team that is not cup or bust it is do or die. Too many eggs in a very small basket. Depending on the contracts, it can get worse. Not a fan of top players taking all the $ and you have a ton of 1 mil $ players surrounding them. Especially when they are players going into their 30's. I say no to this model. Period. When you are a cup contender you have star players that are making big money and you need talent and depth in all positions and this is expensive. Usually as a team builds towards this model the majority of players are vets and therefore there are older players. Being a contender brings with it many problems and cap issues are one of the biggest problems. Most of the teams in the league would love to have our problems and that is another reason we were targeted. What we are going through is what every top team goes through. It's tough at the top, but I'm glad we're here.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 21, 2024 12:46:07 GMT -7
Exactly, the mindset of having the vets seem to be the priority. And on top Holly was projected to be given the opp to be top 6. Now that Ard and Skinner are in he would be moved down. Yep we are in our win now cup window but cannot brush young players aside. Let players over ripen but because you have to pay the top guys and squeeze them on top? Unacceptable. Hopefully the new contracts are going to be a more balanced budget where young players can see their way to thrive and succeed as well. With a plan, to make themselves feel included. Yes this means leaving some bucks on the table. I know no one likes to hear it, pay your top guys no matter what, well now you see a team (as in our Oilers) than can be targeted. And in different ways. No one really expected this but we were an easy target. Moral is don't make yourself an easy target. Duh. We could have matched both if it was for 1 year. Was not prudent to match, why because Drai Bouch are going to be paid almost all of the $ next year. Offer sheet was not by mistake. There are much better players on the RFA list than Holloway and Broberg. Telling sign. Warned about all summer, especially with these new upcoming deals. Yeah, I know, yada yada. This is our best chance to win the cup and yet there are avenues for other teams to take advantage of us. Not acceptable. Who wouldn't like a Swayman on their team or a Mercer or ? Vast majority have enough to match, we don't. Few players make all the dough. When we do. Can't cover the bases. Not a recipe for success. As for Drai/McD if they sign long term, they will be moved down the lineup as they get older chances are, need enough $ to keep the young talent. St Louis as I am still pissed have a huge crop of guys under 25. Our crop is over 30, sure we can be good for a coupe of years, after that if the young stock isn't here then we can face a long rebuild, even with McD/Drai on our roster. It is stupid not to pay attention to this, fans see what is in front of them in two/three stars, not looking enough into the future. Yes I want our team to win and win for longer. That's the goal. Right now we have a team that is not cup or bust it is do or die. Too many eggs in a very small basket. Depending on the contracts, it can get worse. Not a fan of top players taking all the $ and you have a ton of 1 mil $ players surrounding them. Especially when they are players going into their 30's. I say no to this model. Period. When you are a cup contender you have star players that are making big money and you need talent and depth in all positions and this is expensive. Usually as a team builds towards this model the majority of players are vets and therefore there are older players. Being a contender brings with it many problems and cap issues are one of the biggest problems. Most of the teams in the league would love to have our problems and that is another reason we were targeted. What we are going through is what every top team goes through. It's tough at the top, but I'm glad we're here. Yup and in this case whatever drai or Bouch get offered had zero bearing on the HollyBro situation and fact is; top players get paid top money and if you dont want to pay top dollar, they'll go elsewhere? Some guys will take a bit of a cut to stay/go with a contender but not more than $1M p.a. if we're being realistic? Thats about as good as a "home town" discount as you'll get IMO and in our case getting a guy to take $1M less is even harder because EDM is not a "desired city destination. Also, if we are going to quibble over $1M, then I'd rather they'd stop signing the likes of Perry and give that extra cash to Drai, Bouch or whoever makes a real diff to the team if it means they'll stay? I do agree that hollyBro should have been a priority over Perry, Ryan and Brown and signing skinner and Arvi was basically sending the message to DH that we want you to spend another year or so toiling in the trenches at min wage and so an offer from a team that doubles your salary AND promises a good chance of top 6 mins is going to be hard to turn down no matter how loyal and happy you are with the team? Again, another lesson to be learned hopefully?
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 21, 2024 12:56:43 GMT -7
Exactly, the mindset of having the vets seem to be the priority. And on top Holly was projected to be given the opp to be top 6. Now that Ard and Skinner are in he would be moved down. Yep we are in our win now cup window but cannot brush young players aside. Let players over ripen but because you have to pay the top guys and squeeze them on top? Unacceptable. Hopefully the new contracts are going to be a more balanced budget where young players can see their way to thrive and succeed as well. With a plan, to make themselves feel included. Yes this means leaving some bucks on the table. I know no one likes to hear it, pay your top guys no matter what, well now you see a team (as in our Oilers) than can be targeted. And in different ways. No one really expected this but we were an easy target. Moral is don't make yourself an easy target. Duh. We could have matched both if it was for 1 year. Was not prudent to match, why because Drai Bouch are going to be paid almost all of the $ next year. Offer sheet was not by mistake. There are much better players on the RFA list than Holloway and Broberg. Telling sign. Warned about all summer, especially with these new upcoming deals. Yeah, I know, yada yada. This is our best chance to win the cup and yet there are avenues for other teams to take advantage of us. Not acceptable. Who wouldn't like a Swayman on their team or a Mercer or ? Vast majority have enough to match, we don't. Few players make all the dough. When we do. Can't cover the bases. Not a recipe for success. As for Drai/McD if they sign long term, they will be moved down the lineup as they get older chances are, need enough $ to keep the young talent. St Louis as I am still pissed have a huge crop of guys under 25. Our crop is over 30, sure we can be good for a coupe of years, after that if the young stock isn't here then we can face a long rebuild, even with McD/Drai on our roster. It is stupid not to pay attention to this, fans see what is in front of them in two/three stars, not looking enough into the future. Yes I want our team to win and win for longer. That's the goal. Right now we have a team that is not cup or bust it is do or die. Too many eggs in a very small basket. Depending on the contracts, it can get worse. Not a fan of top players taking all the $ and you have a ton of 1 mil $ players surrounding them. Especially when they are players going into their 30's. I say no to this model. Period. When you are a cup contender you have star players that are making big money and you need talent and depth in all positions and this is expensive. Usually as a team builds towards this model the majority of players are vets and therefore there are older players. Being a contender brings with it many problems and cap issues are one of the biggest problems. Most of the teams in the league would love to have our problems and that is another reason we were targeted. What we are going through is what every top team goes through. It's tough at the top, but I'm glad we're here. Just like so many teams before us you go from contender to pretender. Make it to the final, not to be seen there again for years if ever. Aside from Florida and Tampa last year. One key difference aside from their losses is having the funds to invest in young players to remain relevant for longer. Not going to spell it out any longer. NHL is a skilled fast and competitive league, need your ducks in a row. In 2017 after our run, took some years to get back into the playoffs chance at success. We could drop off just like that. This year shows promise, after Drai/Bouch might have to suck it up for awhile on the pretender aspect.
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 21, 2024 12:58:55 GMT -7
When you are a cup contender you have star players that are making big money and you need talent and depth in all positions and this is expensive. Usually as a team builds towards this model the majority of players are vets and therefore there are older players. Being a contender brings with it many problems and cap issues are one of the biggest problems. Most of the teams in the league would love to have our problems and that is another reason we were targeted. What we are going through is what every top team goes through. It's tough at the top, but I'm glad we're here. Yup and in this case whatever drai or Bouch get offered had zero bearing on the HollyBro situation and fact is; top players get paid top money and if you dont want to pay top dollar, they'll go elsewhere? Some guys will take a bit of a cut to stay/go with a contender but not more than $1M p.a. if we're being realistic? Thats about as good as a "home town" discount as you'll get IMO and in our case getting a guy to take $1M less is even harder because EDM is not a "desired city destination. Also, if we are going to quibble over $1M, then I'd rather they'd stop signing the likes of Perry and give that extra cash to Drai, Bouch or whoever makes a real diff to the team if it means they'll stay? I do agree that hollyBro should have been a priority over Perry, Ryan and Brown and signing skinner and Arvi was basically sending the message to DH that we want you to spend another year or so toiling in the trenches at min wage and so an offer from a team that doubles your salary AND promises a good chance of top 6 mins is going to be hard to turn down no matter how loyal and happy you are with the team? Again, another lesson to be learned hopefully? WTF are you talking about. Bro and Holly if for one year, we can match no problem. Once Drai Bouch get their new deals and trying to get things done with the young ones becomes the problem in the 2nd year. So they are both gone. Too much to the top guys, not enough for the young ones that really show promise.
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I'm really not sure who/what doc is referring to here lol.
