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Post by toley on Sept 6, 2024 9:55:34 GMT -7
Cause if you don't pay your top guys, you lose your top cause and it turns into a disaster, look at Calgary losing their top guys. They're coming down. My opinion is different and has already been said before to naturally keep the team young and productive. It lengthens your window. You pay your top guys up until 32-35, not 36-40. Panthers got rid of their top guys going into their 30's and invested in the younger star player instead. Yes I know, will hear about making a Drai trade proposal. You are talking about Calgary's demise well there is an example. To turn things the other way, LA cleared cap and in one of their D, giving him away, gave 3-4 players + a 2nd in a trade to get PLD. After a year he is gone. So LA tried to invest in youth to be at least a 2nd C and it didn't work out. So investing in young players does not always work out. Have no answers. We are paying our top guys, hopefully we draft well and the cap moves up big time. This would also extend our window. Really give props to Brown, yes he cost way too much last year with his overage this year. True dedication to play for 1 million when he can get 3+ on the open market and just say screw it. His words and his heart did exactly what he said he would do, he did not make par last year so he's invested in giving us a chance for cheap this year. Love Brown's 1st goal last season after all of the off of the post chances and goal wasn't even pretty. Appreciation from the fans. Part of the reason why we got him for 1 mil this year. Just great stuff! Our window is McDavid and Draisatl, you pay them whatever they want. Florida is also in Florida, they can't attract players just for being where they are, and by their state taxation. No Brown is expensive this year. He was $750k last year. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 6, 2024 10:12:51 GMT -7
My opinion is different and has already been said before to naturally keep the team young and productive. It lengthens your window. You pay your top guys up until 32-35, not 36-40. Panthers got rid of their top guys going into their 30's and invested in the younger star player instead. Yes I know, will hear about making a Drai trade proposal. You are talking about Calgary's demise well there is an example. To turn things the other way, LA cleared cap and in one of their D, giving him away, gave 3-4 players + a 2nd in a trade to get PLD. After a year he is gone. So LA tried to invest in youth to be at least a 2nd C and it didn't work out. So investing in young players does not always work out. Have no answers. We are paying our top guys, hopefully we draft well and the cap moves up big time. This would also extend our window. Really give props to Brown, yes he cost way too much last year with his overage this year. True dedication to play for 1 million when he can get 3+ on the open market and just say screw it. His words and his heart did exactly what he said he would do, he did not make par last year so he's invested in giving us a chance for cheap this year. Love Brown's 1st goal last season after all of the off of the post chances and goal wasn't even pretty. Appreciation from the fans. Part of the reason why we got him for 1 mil this year. Just great stuff! Our window is McDavid and Draisatl, you pay them whatever they want. Florida is also in Florida, they can't attract players just for being where they are, and by their state taxation. No Brown is expensive this year. He was $750k last year. C'mon man, really no disrespect. Capfriendly is no longer around but check Puckpedia to see Brown's AAV last year. If he was gone this year he would be paid 4 million regardless. He was paid 4 mil guaranteed with only 750k applicable last year. Every time I try to be positive it blows up in my face. Let's try it again, to show how players get glued together...and why his heart was here
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 6, 2024 10:14:59 GMT -7
Cause if you don't pay your top guys, you lose your top cause and it turns into a disaster, look at Calgary losing their top guys. They're coming down. My opinion is different and has already been said before to naturally keep the team young and productive. It lengthens your window. You pay your top guys up until 32-35, not 36-40. Panthers got rid of their top guys going into their 30's and invested in the younger star player instead. Yes I know, will hear about making a Drai trade proposal. You are talking about Calgary's demise well there is an example. To turn things the other way, LA cleared cap and in one of their D, giving him away, gave 3-4 players + a 2nd in a trade to get PLD. After a year he is gone. So LA tried to invest in youth to be at least a 2nd C and it didn't work out. So investing in young players does not always work out. Have no answers. We are paying our top guys, hopefully we draft well and the cap moves up big time. This would also extend our window. Really give props to Brown, yes he cost way too much last year with his overage this year. True dedication to play for 1 million when he can get 3+ on the open market and just say screw it. His words and his heart did exactly what he said he would do, he did not make par last year so he's invested in giving us a chance for cheap this year. Love Brown's 1st goal last season after all of the off of the post chances and goal wasn't even pretty. Appreciation from the fans. Part of the reason why we got him for 1 mil this year. Just great stuff! Nice to hear you say that you have no answers and no proposal.
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Post by toley on Sept 6, 2024 10:21:26 GMT -7
Our window is McDavid and Draisatl, you pay them whatever they want. Florida is also in Florida, they can't attract players just for being where they are, and by their state taxation. No Brown is expensive this year. He was $750k last year. C'mon man, really no disrespect. Capfriendly is no longer around but check Puckpedia to see Brown's AAV last year. If he was gone this year he would be paid 4 million regardless. He was paid 4 mil guaranteed with only 750k applicable last year. Every time I try to be positive it blows up in my face. Let's try it again, to show how players get glued together...and why his heart was here How I understand it is, His base salary was $750k, which was his cap hit last year, the $3Million was in a bonus condition, cause the bonus is an overage this year, so his cap hit is the Million this year plus the bonus overage is also on the cap. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 6, 2024 10:43:41 GMT -7
C'mon man, really no disrespect. Capfriendly is no longer around but check Puckpedia to see Brown's AAV last year. If he was gone this year he would be paid 4 million regardless. He was paid 4 mil guaranteed with only 750k applicable last year. Every time I try to be positive it blows up in my face. Let's try it again, to show how players get glued together...and why his heart was here How I understand it is, His base salary was $750k, which was his cap hit last year, the $3Million was in a bonus condition, cause the bonus is an overage this year, so his cap hit is the Million this year plus the bonus overage is also on the cap. No it is not his base salary, what does his AAV say. 10 games is nothing, Not going to comment further
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Post by toley on Sept 6, 2024 13:28:02 GMT -7
How I understand it is, His base salary was $750k, which was his cap hit last year, the $3Million was in a bonus condition, cause the bonus is an overage this year, so his cap hit is the Million this year plus the bonus overage is also on the cap. No it is not his base salary, what does his AAV say. 10 games is nothing, Not going to comment further I don't even know what you're arguing here. His cap hit was $775k, that $3.25mill bonus is on this year's cap, plus his $1 Million now, I don't care what his AAV was last year. |
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 6, 2024 14:54:20 GMT -7
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 7, 2024 12:44:24 GMT -7
Just saw this. I wasn't a fan of the signing but very happy for him and his new family. What a redemption. A young man making the absolute best of a fresh start. |
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Post by drtaf on Sept 7, 2024 13:35:02 GMT -7
Not going to get into the Drai trade debate. He is signed now. Yes you have been wrong. Gretzky said fairly recently that if Katz was the owner Oilers would have kept him. Same for Smyth wanting to be here. You think those guys were crying because it was "thank goodness I'm finally out of Edmonton" or did they want to stay? Yeah. All those Oilers shipped to NY due to Pocklington being cheap. Believe it was the same for Weight. Players wanted to be here. The decade of darkness where Ferrence said it was a cluster you know what of a team with all the partying and not being too serious about hockey. Of course no one wants to come to a non committed team and a losing culture. Nuge signed here for life, Hyms chose to be here for life (unless they decide to play beyond 35-36) so there's two recent players off the top of my head, not just Drai. Winning is important to players, a place to raise your family and less hustle and bustle is important to other players. Not just the opinions that you have. Katz will pay the players, think that's a big difference, then winning, then all of the other things you love to argue about. Lets move on, we have a different culture here now. When asked to name what players best fit NFL positions, Connor Bedard said the QB would be Draisaitl, McD and Mack would be WRs. Every year the players vote for “best at” and Drai is always picked as best passer in the game. So the Narrative that Drai is a product of McD isn’t one the players hold? I think you’ve spent too much time out east Windsor and you’re succumbing to the East TO media narrative 😉. Oilers core has been very successful albeit no cup. TO core has not been successful and don’t show up in playoffs whereas oilers dynamic duo somehow elevate even more? Will oilers win the cup with this core? Statistically Odds are stacked against it when you think 97% of teams won’t win in any given year. If you play with the stats and say oilers are one of 5-6 teams who are a legit contender that still puts their odds at less than 20% or 80% not to win🤷♂️ Yet ask the bookies and the oilers will be #1 or #2 fav this year and they are usually pretty accurate. So I guess we’ll have to wait and see😉 |
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Post by mrtea on Sept 7, 2024 13:55:22 GMT -7
Not going to get into the Drai trade debate. He is signed now. Yes you have been wrong. Gretzky said fairly recently that if Katz was the owner Oilers would have kept him. Same for Smyth wanting to be here. You think those guys were crying because it was "thank goodness I'm finally out of Edmonton" or did they want to stay? Yeah. All those Oilers shipped to NY due to Pocklington being cheap. Believe it was the same for Weight. Players wanted to be here. The decade of darkness where Ferrence said it was a cluster you know what of a team with all the partying and not being too serious about hockey. Of course no one wants to come to a non committed team and a losing culture. Nuge signed here for life, Hyms chose to be here for life (unless they decide to play beyond 35-36) so there's two recent players off the top of my head, not just Drai. Winning is important to players, a place to raise your family and less hustle and bustle is important to other players. Not just the opinions that you have. Katz will pay the players, think that's a big difference, then winning, then all of the other things you love to argue about. Lets move on, we have a different culture here now. When asked to name what players best fit NFL positions, Connor Bedard said the QB would be Draisaitl, McD and Mack would be WRs. Every year the players vote for “best at” and Drai is always picked as best passer in the game. So the Narrative that Drai is a product of McD isn’t one the players hold? I think you’ve spent too much time out east Windsor and you’re succumbing to the East TO media narrative 😉. Oilers core has been very successful albeit no cup. TO core has not been successful and don’t show up in playoffs whereas oilers dynamic duo somehow elevate even more? Will oilers win the cup with this core? Statistically Odds are stacked against it when you think 97% of teams won’t win in any given year. If you play with the stats and say oilers are one of 5-6 teams who are a legit contender that still puts their odds at less than 20% or 80% not to win🤷♂️ Yet ask the bookies and the oilers will be #1 or #2 fav this year and they are usually pretty accurate. So I guess we’ll have to wait and see😉 I've spent my whole life down here in the east, and I don't fall for any of that TO media hype. Honestly I can't believe what I'm hearing from them at times, they are so over the top Leaf fans that it is laughable.
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 7, 2024 14:53:03 GMT -7
Windsor's points are valid cap concerns. I think we should start a cap concern thread and keep it all in one place. I don't think it's fair to say bc he lives out East that he has succumbed to TO media. In fact, Windsor's model for our team falls right in line with what Toronto is doing/or has been trying to do for several yrs. Diff is, we are a much MUCH better team and way closer to the cup.
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Post by happyhappy on Sept 7, 2024 14:55:43 GMT -7
When asked to name what players best fit NFL positions, Connor Bedard said the QB would be Draisaitl, McD and Mack would be WRs. Every year the players vote for “best at” and Drai is always picked as best passer in the game. So the Narrative that Drai is a product of McD isn’t one the players hold? I think you’ve spent too much time out east Windsor and you’re succumbing to the East TO media narrative 😉. Oilers core has been very successful albeit no cup. TO core has not been successful and don’t show up in playoffs whereas oilers dynamic duo somehow elevate even more? Will oilers win the cup with this core? Statistically Odds are stacked against it when you think 97% of teams won’t win in any given year. If you play with the stats and say oilers are one of 5-6 teams who are a legit contender that still puts their odds at less than 20% or 80% not to win🤷♂️ Yet ask the bookies and the oilers will be #1 or #2 fav this year and they are usually pretty accurate. So I guess we’ll have to wait and see😉 I've spent my whole life down here in the east, and I don't fall for any of that TO media hype. Honestly I can't believe what I'm hearing from them at times, they are so over the top Leaf fans that it is laughable. I love that we have a several East coasters on here like yourself, Windsor, EO, etc.. Not only do u give us Westerners Eastern input, nice to see the Oil Love spread about! 
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 7, 2024 15:51:12 GMT -7
I've spent my whole life down here in the east, and I don't fall for any of that TO media hype. Honestly I can't believe what I'm hearing from them at times, they are so over the top Leaf fans that it is laughable. I love that we have a several East coasters on here like yourself, Windsor, EO, etc.. Not only do u give us Westerners Eastern input, nice to see the Oil Love spread about! yup... we have ColumbusOiler too. Hasn't been around in a while but he always has good things to discuss. It's fantastic that the team is able to draw fans from all over North America and the world in fact. Anybody remember NorweiganOiler? He's one of the lost ones from the Official site shutdown.
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Post by fogolin2 on Sept 7, 2024 17:32:56 GMT -7
I love that we have a several East coasters on here like yourself, Windsor, EO, etc.. Not only do u give us Westerners Eastern input, nice to see the Oil Love spread about! yup... we have ColumbusOiler too. Hasn't been around in a while but he always has good things to discuss. It's fantastic that the team is able to draw fans from all over North America and the world in fact. Anybody remember NorweiganOiler? He's one of the lost ones from the Official site shutdown. Norway is a good fan, wherever he might be. This is Columbus' world and we're lucky he let's us live in it. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 7, 2024 17:33:48 GMT -7
Windsor's points are valid cap concerns. I think we should start a cap concern thread and keep it all in one place. I don't think it's fair to say bc he lives out East that he has succumbed to TO media. In fact, Windsor's model for our team falls right in line with what Toronto is doing/or has been trying to do for several yrs. Diff is, we are a much MUCH better team and way closer to the cup. Thanks HH, sounds like a good thread idea. Enough has been said that members here have heard enough for now, just the off season so no hockey to watch but we have a couple weeks before preseason so it's coming.
Aside from our Oilers and the Leafs not sure who else has this model. Meaning 4 players =>50% of the cap. So many teams do not even have one 10mil player, not one.
Youth and prospects that pan out would help our age and cap issues moving forward. If only Savoie can shine and stay healthy and it may not be this year. But we have 3 yrs elc so we have him for cheap and no one can claim him. If Philp hadn't taken a year off bet he would be our 4C right now. Gotta think him and Hamblin are ahead of Ryan. For sure Ryan can't be playing every game at his age. Same with Perry.
Anxious to see Emb play.
Last time we won the cup we had a kid line. Hope some of the kids get a chance. But we are trying to win, no time to develop players in season on our team is the problem.
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Post by toley on Sept 7, 2024 20:07:36 GMT -7
Windsor's points are valid cap concerns. I think we should start a cap concern thread and keep it all in one place. I don't think it's fair to say bc he lives out East that he has succumbed to TO media. In fact, Windsor's model for our team falls right in line with what Toronto is doing/or has been trying to do for several yrs. Diff is, we are a much MUCH better team and way closer to the cup. There is no Cap Concern. |
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Post by toley on Sept 7, 2024 20:17:13 GMT -7
Windsor's points are valid cap concerns. I think we should start a cap concern thread and keep it all in one place. I don't think it's fair to say bc he lives out East that he has succumbed to TO media. In fact, Windsor's model for our team falls right in line with what Toronto is doing/or has been trying to do for several yrs. Diff is, we are a much MUCH better team and way closer to the cup. Thanks HH, sounds like a good thread idea. Enough has been said that members here have heard enough for now, just the off season so no hockey to watch but we have a couple weeks before preseason so it's coming.
Aside from our Oilers and the Leafs not sure who else has this model. Meaning 4 players =>50% of the cap. So many teams do not even have one 10mil player, not one.
Youth and prospects that pan out would help our age and cap issues moving forward. If only Savoie can shine and stay healthy and it may not be this year. But we have 3 yrs elc so we have him for cheap and no one can claim him. If Philp hadn't taken a year off bet he would be our 4C right now. Gotta think him and Hamblin are ahead of Ryan. For sure Ryan can't be playing every game at his age. Same with Perry.
Anxious to see Emb play.
Last time we won the cup we had a kid line. Hope some of the kids get a chance. But we are trying to win, no time to develop players in season on our team is the problem.
It's a good "model", it means you have players worth paying that much. And those teams that don't have a single player with a $10mill AAV, where are they in the standings? I know you want the team to succeed, but the cap will go up, stop the fearing. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Sept 7, 2024 22:32:38 GMT -7
Thanks HH, sounds like a good thread idea. Enough has been said that members here have heard enough for now, just the off season so no hockey to watch but we have a couple weeks before preseason so it's coming. Aside from our Oilers and the Leafs not sure who else has this model. Meaning 4 players =>50% of the cap. So many teams do not even have one 10mil player, not one. Youth and prospects that pan out would help our age and cap issues moving forward. If only Savoie can shine and stay healthy and it may not be this year. But we have 3 yrs elc so we have him for cheap and no one can claim him. If Philp hadn't taken a year off bet he would be our 4C right now. Gotta think him and Hamblin are ahead of Ryan. For sure Ryan can't be playing every game at his age. Same with Perry. Anxious to see Emb play. Last time we won the cup we had a kid line. Hope some of the kids get a chance. But we are trying to win, no time to develop players in season on our team is the problem.
It's a good "model", it means you have players worth paying that much. And those teams that don't have a single player with a $10mill AAV, where are they in the standings? I know you want the team to succeed, but the cap will go up, stop the fearing. Carolina, Tampa, Dallas to name a few. All steady quality playoff teams year after year. Could care less about the model, until you have cups. Well let's leave it at that, nothing else matters. Pay the guys 5 million or 20 million, just bring us a couple of cups!
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Post by columbusoiler on Sept 8, 2024 6:53:05 GMT -7
yup... we have ColumbusOiler too. Hasn't been around in a while but he always has good things to discuss. It's fantastic that the team is able to draw fans from all over North America and the world in fact. Anybody remember NorweiganOiler? He's one of the lost ones from the Official site shutdown. Norway is a good fan, wherever he might be. This is Columbus' world and we're lucky he let's us live in it. Lol. I'm just laying in the weeds (literally, on some nights) waiting for the season to start. Baseball is boring me to tears. Football is ok, but doesn't hold a candle to our Oilers. Somebody drop the damn puck. |
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Post by columbusoiler on Sept 8, 2024 7:12:50 GMT -7
Sorry. I think I post this same thing every year about this time.
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