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Post by toley on Oct 7, 2024 11:19:21 GMT -7
God dammit, spoke too soon. Now Lavoie is gone. Man, I'm pissed
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 7, 2024 11:28:11 GMT -7
God dammit, spoke too soon. Now Lavoie is gone. Man, I'm pissed
I'm not, second consecutive year he hasn't made this team. There's a fair chance he'll go back on waivers when Vegas is done with him. That's fine. We are losing all our young good players. If it doesn't bother you, all good. Most fans know Oilers are the oldest team in the league, we have few picks and fewer and fewer prospects now. Really don't like this direction we are going. Cup contenders and cup winners have youth in their system to come up and replace vets that get let go because those teams can no longer afford them. Usually that's what happens. We have little of that and even more so now. Skinner better get his Fogolin2 in gear. Pod too. Emb or Stecher or Dermott, you better be a suitable top 4, one of you. No team is going to take it easy on us after last year.
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Post by neufab94 on Oct 7, 2024 12:10:51 GMT -7
I'm not, second consecutive year he hasn't made this team. There's a fair chance he'll go back on waivers when Vegas is done with him. That's fine. We are losing all our young good players. If it doesn't bother you, all good. Most fans know Oilers are the oldest team in the league, we have few picks and fewer and fewer prospects now. Really don't like this direction we are going. Cup contenders and cup winners have youth in their system to come up and replace vets that get let go because those teams can no longer afford them. Usually that's what happens. We have little of that and even more so now. Skinner better get his Fogolin2 in gear. Pod too. Emb or Stecher or Dermott, you better be a suitable top 4, one of you. No team is going to take it easy on us after last year. Is too early to fire the GM? S.B. needs to start stocking the cupboards and retaliating. Having a bottom feeding AHL team is not a recipe for success. This is very short sighted. ... I think I saw this show once 🤔 |
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 7, 2024 13:52:47 GMT -7
In the past 7 drafts we have two players on our team left. Bouch and Skinner, that's it. That's not good.
Desharnais, Kesselring, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie gone. For nothing.
I guess let's focus on the now and we have a really good team.
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Post by toley on Oct 7, 2024 14:14:24 GMT -7
That's fine. We are losing all our young good players. If it doesn't bother you, all good. Most fans know Oilers are the oldest team in the league, we have few picks and fewer and fewer prospects now. Really don't like this direction we are going. Cup contenders and cup winners have youth in their system to come up and replace vets that get let go because those teams can no longer afford them. Usually that's what happens. We have little of that and even more so now. Skinner better get his Fogolin2 in gear. Pod too. Emb or Stecher or Dermott, you better be a suitable top 4, one of you. No team is going to take it easy on us after last year. Is too early to fire the GM? S.B. needs to start stocking the cupboards and retaliating. Having a bottom feeding AHL team is not a recipe for success. This is very short sighted. ... I think I saw this show once 🤔 What do you want him to give up to get those cupboards full? He wasn't even here for the draft. And they'll probably sell more futures to get a RHD sometime throughout this season. |
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Post by drtaf on Oct 7, 2024 14:19:16 GMT -7
In the past 7 drafts we have two players on our team left. Bouch and Skinner, that's it. That's not good. Desharnais, Kesselring, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie gone. For nothing. I guess let's focus on the now and we have a really good team. I think there's more than that gone but your point still stands. However (with the exception of holloway and Broberg), the others should be easily replaceable by any half-a$$ed competent management team for same price. DH an PB sting because we went through the pains of "over-ripening" and then when they finally seemed to be ripe-over ripe, we let someone else pick the fruits of our labours so to speak? It should never have happened but we set ourselves up to be stuck between a rock and hard place and the picks we got even in best case scenario will take 3yrs to get to the level they were at, so 3-4yrs lost dev down the drain! Those losses sting, but lavoie etc, there's better than 50-50 they dont make full-time NHLers and we should have just as good odds picking someone up of waivers who may become an NHLer as them, so not too bothered. Your other point that our cupboards are bare is also very true and we have to hope that picking up guys like savoie etc will pay off because, there's not much left in the pipeline! It seems to me the plan is to try and win a cup or 2 now in next 5-6yrs , then start a rebuild-re-tool by selling off an aging Drai and McD for elite prospects and picks? Great if it turns out that way, but there's a lot of "IFs" between now and then?
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Post by toley on Oct 7, 2024 14:25:08 GMT -7
In the past 7 drafts we have two players on our team left. Bouch and Skinner, that's it. That's not good. Desharnais, Kesselring, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie gone. For nothing. I guess let's focus on the now and we have a really good team. And who's to blame for this? Holland for poor drafting or is it on the players? Broberg didn't real show anything til the 8 games he's played in the playoffs on his offside. Chiarelli had some good drafting but couldn't solve the roster. What does Vegas, or Colorado have in their prospect pools? |
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 7, 2024 14:46:03 GMT -7
In the past 7 drafts we have two players on our team left. Bouch and Skinner, that's it. That's not good. Desharnais, Kesselring, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie gone. For nothing. I guess let's focus on the now and we have a really good team. And who's to blame for this? Holland for poor drafting or is it on the players? Broberg didn't real show anything til the 8 games he's played in the playoffs on his offside. Chiarelli had some good drafting but couldn't solve the roster. What does Vegas, or Colorado have in their prospect pools? I don't know, not going to look into it. What matters is our team. Us being the oldest team mind you. Who's to blame for this right now? Well this current management went and got Skinner. We know he's a good offensive player but not very good on D, we knew that, this is part of his resume. So instead of 3 million why not get a player like Sprong for 1/3rd the price? Would have allowed us to sign Holloway or another 2 mil $ player at least, hi Vinny Desharnais. Hopefully Skinner gets going, he's going from a losing to a winning team and will need to play better D. What about this J Brown guy that skates in a puddle of mud? From what I see I'm not sure why get that player and invest 3 yrs on him. Looks like management is missing some things. It's not up to us to figure it out, it's up to them. Oilers also decided to go with 12 forwards, they could have kept Lavoie but decided to start the season with more cap space instead. So there's 3 very possible blunders by management in the past couple months aside from losing Holloway/Broberg before that. Drai was the priority, don't bother looking behind you at what can potentially come. Management exposed themselves. Have to find a way to preserve your young assets, that would be management 101. That's their job, not for us to speculate.
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 7, 2024 15:01:14 GMT -7
WTF are the Oilers doing? Seriously. Now instead of accruing cap space they will start the season on LTIR? This is a gong show. SB had his presser and told us that's what he wanted to do. So they recall Savoie and sign Wright. So it looks like they will put Kane on LTIR after so appears they can accrue some cap space. Wright registered today, meaning we still have 950k in cap. x.com/PuckPedia/status/1843407315715928182 |
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Post by toley on Oct 7, 2024 15:13:53 GMT -7
And who's to blame for this? Holland for poor drafting or is it on the players? Broberg didn't real show anything til the 8 games he's played in the playoffs on his offside. Chiarelli had some good drafting but couldn't solve the roster. What does Vegas, or Colorado have in their prospect pools? I don't know, not going to look into it. What matters is our team. Us being the oldest team mind you. Who's to blame for this right now? Well this current management went and got Skinner. We know he's a good offensive player but not very good on D, we knew that, this is part of his resume. So instead of 3 million why not get a player like Sprong for 1/3rd the price? Would have allowed us to sign Holloway or another 2 mil $ player at least, hi Vinny Desharnais. Hopefully Skinner gets going, he's going from a losing to a winning team and will need to play better D. What about this J Brown guy that skates in a puddle of mud? From what I see I'm not sure why get that player and invest 3 yrs on him. Looks like management is missing some things. It's not up to us to figure it out, it's up to them. Oilers also decided to go with 12 forwards, they could have kept Lavoie but decided to start the season with more cap space instead. So there's 3 very possible blunders by management in the past couple months aside from losing Holloway/Broberg before that. Drai was the priority, don't bother looking behind you at what can potentially come. Management exposed themselves. Have to find a way to preserve your young assets, that would be management 101. That's their job, not for us to speculate. They didn't signed Jeff Skinner to play Defense, he's a former 40 goal scorer. Sprong is a third/fouth liner who takes advantage of his weak offensive opponents. He too does not play defense. Jackson was squeezing Holloway and Broberg, they had no arbitration rights. Usually they sign, Broberg didn't prove anything and when he wasn't playing he didn't want to be here. Lavoie would be sitting in the press box or playing 6 mins a game. Send him down, let him play 18 mins in Bakersfield, when you've sent him down before. |
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Post by toley on Oct 7, 2024 15:26:11 GMT -7
WTF are the Oilers doing? Seriously. Now instead of accruing cap space they will start the season on LTIR? This is a gong show. SB had his presser and told us that's what he wanted to do. So they recall Savoie and sign Wright. So it looks like they will put Kane on LTIR after so appears they can accrue some cap space. Wright registered today, meaning we still have 950k in cap. x.com/PuckPedia/status/1843407315715928182This tells me that Kane probably won't be back til the playoffs. |
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 7, 2024 15:30:13 GMT -7
I don't know, not going to look into it. What matters is our team. Us being the oldest team mind you. Who's to blame for this right now? Well this current management went and got Skinner. We know he's a good offensive player but not very good on D, we knew that, this is part of his resume. So instead of 3 million why not get a player like Sprong for 1/3rd the price? Would have allowed us to sign Holloway or another 2 mil $ player at least, hi Vinny Desharnais. Hopefully Skinner gets going, he's going from a losing to a winning team and will need to play better D. What about this J Brown guy that skates in a puddle of mud? From what I see I'm not sure why get that player and invest 3 yrs on him. Looks like management is missing some things. It's not up to us to figure it out, it's up to them. Oilers also decided to go with 12 forwards, they could have kept Lavoie but decided to start the season with more cap space instead. So there's 3 very possible blunders by management in the past couple months aside from losing Holloway/Broberg before that. Drai was the priority, don't bother looking behind you at what can potentially come. Management exposed themselves. Have to find a way to preserve your young assets, that would be management 101. That's their job, not for us to speculate. They didn't signed Jeff Skinner to play Defense, he's a former 40 goal scorer. Sprong is a third/fouth liner who takes advantage of his weak offensive opponents. He too does not play defense. Jackson was squeezing Holloway and Broberg, they had no arbitration rights. Usually they sign, Broberg didn't prove anything and when he wasn't playing he didn't want to be here. Lavoie would be sitting in the press box or playing 6 mins a game. Send him down, let him play 18 mins in Bakersfield, when you've sent him down before. Where is Skinner penciled in at right now? Sprong and Skinner are similar. Sprong took advantage of weaker opposition you were saying? How many of our bottom 6 players get 18-20 goals? McLeod with 12 was our best. Skinner is penciled on the 3rd line right now, where Sprong would be. That's why I compared the two. 3 mil vs .975 K. If both players end up doing the same thing then we could have kept Holloway or Desharnais. Let's compare Skinner/Sprong if they get similar roles and minutes, Skinner better come out way way ahead either way... Lavoie could be taking Janmark's spot right now. Both JanMark and Skinner move down, Lavoie gets a shot. But nope, give up another prospect for nothing. Oilers also decided to keep Pod, he gets the shot. Not sure about that either, guess he looks ok. So many questionable decisions.
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Post by toley on Oct 7, 2024 15:49:49 GMT -7
They didn't signed Jeff Skinner to play Defense, he's a former 40 goal scorer. Sprong is a third/fouth liner who takes advantage of his weak offensive opponents. He too does not play defense. Jackson was squeezing Holloway and Broberg, they had no arbitration rights. Usually they sign, Broberg didn't prove anything and when he wasn't playing he didn't want to be here. Lavoie would be sitting in the press box or playing 6 mins a game. Send him down, let him play 18 mins in Bakersfield, when you've sent him down before. Where is Skinner penciled in at right now? Sprong and Skinner are similar. Sprong took advantage of weaker opposition you were saying? How many of our bottom 6 players get 18-20 goals? McLeod with 12 was our best. Skinner is penciled on the 3rd line right now, where Sprong would be. That's why I compared the two. 3 mil vs .975 K. If both players end up doing the same thing then we could have kept Holloway or Desharnais. Let's compare Skinner/Sprong if they get similar roles and minutes, Skinner better come out way way ahead either way... Lavoie could be taking Janmark's spot right now. Both JanMark and Skinner move down, Lavoie gets a shot. But nope, give up another prospect for nothing. Oilers also decided to keep Pod, he gets the shot. Not sure about that either, guess he looks ok. So many questionable decisions. Sprong has one year with a 20 goal season. I'm not sure why Janmark is up on the second line. Janmark and probably Podkolzin will kill penalties, Lavoie isn't going to. |
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Post by yuke on Oct 7, 2024 20:45:03 GMT -7
Either Lavoie or Schwindt will be back on waivers. Maybe both
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Post by mrtea on Oct 7, 2024 21:50:29 GMT -7
Where is Skinner penciled in at right now? Sprong and Skinner are similar. Sprong took advantage of weaker opposition you were saying? How many of our bottom 6 players get 18-20 goals? McLeod with 12 was our best. Skinner is penciled on the 3rd line right now, where Sprong would be. That's why I compared the two. 3 mil vs .975 K. If both players end up doing the same thing then we could have kept Holloway or Desharnais. Let's compare Skinner/Sprong if they get similar roles and minutes, Skinner better come out way way ahead either way... Lavoie could be taking Janmark's spot right now. Both JanMark and Skinner move down, Lavoie gets a shot. But nope, give up another prospect for nothing. Oilers also decided to keep Pod, he gets the shot. Not sure about that either, guess he looks ok. So many questionable decisions. Sprong has one year with a 20 goal season. I'm not sure why Janmark is up on the second line. Janmark and probably Podkolzin will kill penalties, Lavoie isn't going to. Not sure about Podkolzin, but for sure Janmark will be on the PK. Janmark is an excellent PK'er, probably one of the very best in the league and a big reason our PK was so good last season. He was paired with Brown and they were both great together. The reason Janmark is up on the 2nd line is because he has proven that he can play up and down the lineup. Contrary to Windsor's ascertain that Lavoie could be taking Janmark's spot, Janmark plays a complete game with the skill and grit to play on a talented offensive team and still make a positive impact. Janmark isn't going anywhere until we can get an upgrade on him or he's used as trade bait at the deadline. Either way it will be a hell of a good player coming in to replace him and no easy feat. He's on a very good contract for what he brings, the coaches know it and therefore management know it.
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Post by yuke on Oct 7, 2024 21:57:44 GMT -7
Sprong has one year with a 20 goal season. I'm not sure why Janmark is up on the second line. Janmark and probably Podkolzin will kill penalties, Lavoie isn't going to. Not sure about Podkolzin, but for sure Janmark will be on the PK. Janmark is an excellent PK'er, probably one of the very best in the league and a big reason our PK was so good last season. He was paired with Brown and they were both great together. The reason Janmark is up on the 2nd line is because he has proven that he can play up and down the lineup. Contrary to Windsor's ascertain that Lavoie could be taking Janmark's spot, Janmark plays a complete game with the skill and grit to play on a talented offensive team and still make a positive impact. Janmark isn't going anywhere until we can get an upgrade on him or he's used as trade bait at the deadline. Either way it will be a hell of a good player coming in to replace him and no easy feat. He's on a very good contract for what he brings, the coaches know it and therefore management know it. Yup, Janmark is very under rated |
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Post by toley on Oct 8, 2024 7:06:37 GMT -7
Sprong has one year with a 20 goal season. I'm not sure why Janmark is up on the second line. Janmark and probably Podkolzin will kill penalties, Lavoie isn't going to. Not sure about Podkolzin, but for sure Janmark will be on the PK. Janmark is an excellent PK'er, probably one of the very best in the league and a big reason our PK was so good last season. He was paired with Brown and they were both great together. The reason Janmark is up on the 2nd line is because he has proven that he can play up and down the lineup. Contrary to Windsor's ascertain that Lavoie could be taking Janmark's spot, Janmark plays a complete game with the skill and grit to play on a talented offensive team and still make a positive impact. Janmark isn't going anywhere until we can get an upgrade on him or he's used as trade bait at the deadline. Either way it will be a hell of a good player coming in to replace him and no easy feat. He's on a very good contract for what he brings, the coaches know it and therefore management know it. I didn't watch any of the preseason, but I know what Janmark is. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Oct 8, 2024 7:55:11 GMT -7
And who's to blame for this? Holland for poor drafting or is it on the players? Broberg didn't real show anything til the 8 games he's played in the playoffs on his offside. Chiarelli had some good drafting but couldn't solve the roster. What does Vegas, or Colorado have in their prospect pools? I don't know, not going to look into it. What matters is our team. Us being the oldest team mind you. Who's to blame for this right now? Well this current management went and got Skinner. We know he's a good offensive player but not very good on D, we knew that, this is part of his resume. So instead of 3 million why not get a player like Sprong for 1/3rd the price? Would have allowed us to sign Holloway or another 2 mil $ player at least, hi Vinny Desharnais. Hopefully Skinner gets going, he's going from a losing to a winning team and will need to play better D. What about this J Brown guy that skates in a puddle of mud? From what I see I'm not sure why get that player and invest 3 yrs on him. Looks like management is missing some things. It's not up to us to figure it out, it's up to them. Oilers also decided to go with 12 forwards, they could have kept Lavoie but decided to start the season with more cap space instead. So there's 3 very possible blunders by management in the past couple months aside from losing Holloway/Broberg before that. Drai was the priority, don't bother looking behind you at what can potentially come. Management exposed themselves. Have to find a way to preserve your young assets, that would be management 101. That's their job, not for us to speculate. Love this. "Cup contenders have young players in their systems" "Who do the Cup contenders have in their systems?" "Don't know. Not going to look it up."
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 8, 2024 8:14:43 GMT -7
I don't know, not going to look into it. What matters is our team. Us being the oldest team mind you. Who's to blame for this right now? Well this current management went and got Skinner. We know he's a good offensive player but not very good on D, we knew that, this is part of his resume. So instead of 3 million why not get a player like Sprong for 1/3rd the price? Would have allowed us to sign Holloway or another 2 mil $ player at least, hi Vinny Desharnais. Hopefully Skinner gets going, he's going from a losing to a winning team and will need to play better D. What about this J Brown guy that skates in a puddle of mud? From what I see I'm not sure why get that player and invest 3 yrs on him. Looks like management is missing some things. It's not up to us to figure it out, it's up to them. Oilers also decided to go with 12 forwards, they could have kept Lavoie but decided to start the season with more cap space instead. So there's 3 very possible blunders by management in the past couple months aside from losing Holloway/Broberg before that. Drai was the priority, don't bother looking behind you at what can potentially come. Management exposed themselves. Have to find a way to preserve your young assets, that would be management 101. That's their job, not for us to speculate. Love this. "Cup contenders have young players in their systems" "Who do the Cup contenders have in their systems?" "Don't know. Not going to look it up." What other teams have going on right now could care less. Past teams do some research and you will see that expensive players are replaced with cheaper youth that have an impact to widen the window. Chicago and Tampa, there's 2. Florida getting rid of their give or take 29-32 yr old guys to replace and pay a 24 yr old guy. Same thing this year with Montour. Let another team pay him 7 mil until the age of 37, they lock up Schmidt and Boqvist cheap, one defensive guy, one 2 way way guy for 1.5 mil combined. Wash rinse repeat and you have the ability and much more flexibility than we do to sign other players as you see fit. And you don't expose yourself to predatory offer sheets or have to run a short roster.
Hopefully this is a good enough answer.
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 8, 2024 8:17:43 GMT -7
Not going to watch the Prime documentary, saw some clips, hurts too much to look at it still.
To Tea, we will see what happens with Lavoie, he looked good in preseason, lots of great chances and it appeared he had some chemistry with Drai. Does not matter now. Have to give some of these young players a chance. And not just the 1st round picks up front. Or acquired 1st round picks.
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