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Post by toley on Apr 20, 2023 20:15:14 GMT -7
I think they're different series entirely. Against the Jets, it was super close, waaaaaay closer than anyone gives it credit and the Jets had the goaltending and got the bounces when the games was on the line and it went in their favor. The Oilers are hand over fist the better team when they play their style of hockey. They shown and proved it. Although Korpisalo hasn't quite reached the ridiculous level Helleybuyck did in that series, he has vastly outplayed our guy up to this moment. As for nervous,
I'm always nervous because ultimately every penalty called in a game comes down to a referee's opinion/discretion (except puck over glass and even then??) In this series so far, it is absolutely indisputable that power plays (and lack thereof) have been "A/the" critical factor in how these games have played out (as are most games for that matter). What this equates to is that Referee opinion/discretion is and will be a critical factor in the outcome of any game and it seems in particular for this series? ie the referees opinion/discretion could easily determine who wins and who loses and that alone makes me very nervous!! I'm not necessarily questioning the honesty or integrity of officials, I'm just pointing out a fact. Unlike some sports, particularly sports where "first past the post" = winner, team sports are very vulnerable to mistakes by officials. Some try to mitigate this by VAR or official reviews and/or even detailed studies of referee performances (to weed out the ones that are inconsistent or just plain bad). I dont see the NHL doing nearly enough (If anything at all) to ensure that their officials are indeed performing optimally. On the contrary, their stance is: Our officials are perfect and beyond reproach and if anyone disputes this, they will be fined and/or suspended! IMO, that attitude doesnt solve the problem, it only adds to it. And so because the NHL confers "god-like" status (in religions worldwide, gods are the only beings considered infallible), they will continue to act in that way, deciding the fate of games based on what they feel is the "correct order of things" and not necessarily "let it play out" and see what happens? Right now, the "Gods" havent exactly been kind to us? I'm not sure how we "change their minds"? maybe we need to offer up a worthy sacrifice/offering?  Majority of the penalties get called when they're up by 2 and the King's have all the pressure in the Oilers' defensive zone, stop getting penalties by getting the puck out, and pressure back. They're lacking the killer instinct. |
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 21, 2023 8:36:34 GMT -7
 Game day. Is it too early to start drinking?
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Post by igibb on Apr 21, 2023 10:47:17 GMT -7
I think they're different series entirely. Against the Jets, it was super close, waaaaaay closer than anyone gives it credit and the Jets had the goaltending and got the bounces when the games was on the line and it went in their favor. The Oilers are hand over fist the better team when they play their style of hockey. They shown and proved it. Although Korpisalo hasn't quite reached the ridiculous level Helleybuyck did in that series, he has vastly outplayed our guy up to this moment. As for nervous,
I'm always nervous because ultimately every penalty called in a game comes down to a referee's opinion/discretion (except puck over glass and even then??) In this series so far, it is absolutely indisputable that power plays (and lack thereof) have been "A/the" critical factor in how these games have played out (as are most games for that matter). What this equates to is that Referee opinion/discretion is and will be a critical factor in the outcome of any game and it seems in particular for this series? ie the referees opinion/discretion could easily determine who wins and who loses and that alone makes me very nervous!! I'm not necessarily questioning the honesty or integrity of officials, I'm just pointing out a fact. Unlike some sports, particularly sports where "first past the post" = winner, team sports are very vulnerable to mistakes by officials. Some try to mitigate this by VAR or official reviews and/or even detailed studies of referee performances (to weed out the ones that are inconsistent or just plain bad). I dont see the NHL doing nearly enough (If anything at all) to ensure that their officials are indeed performing optimally. On the contrary, their stance is: Our officials are perfect and beyond reproach and if anyone disputes this, they will be fined and/or suspended! IMO, that attitude doesnt solve the problem, it only adds to it. And so because the NHL confers "god-like" status (in religions worldwide, gods are the only beings considered infallible), they will continue to act in that way, deciding the fate of games based on what they feel is the "correct order of things" and not necessarily "let it play out" and see what happens? Right now, the "Gods" havent exactly been kind to us? I'm not sure how we "change their minds"? maybe we need to offer up a worthy sacrifice/offering? When you take two steps back on a faceoff and two hand a guy in the back of the legs you are going to get called, when your stick is literally stuck in the skate of the player your tripped you are going to get called, when you wildly swing at the puck 5 feet over your head and it goes straight out of play you are going to get called, when you cross check a guy in the side of the head you are going to get called, ad nauseum. The refs are not ticky tacking us with marginal penalties. They are blatant obvious calls. They are letting the teams play except for blatant stupid stuff and we are in the express lane of committing blatant stupid penalties so far this series. Kuzmenko the gods use your Kuzmenkoing brains when you are playing and it might not be such an issue.
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Post by windsoroiler on Apr 21, 2023 12:01:06 GMT -7
Although Korpisalo hasn't quite reached the ridiculous level Helleybuyck did in that series, he has vastly outplayed our guy up to this moment. As for nervous,
I'm always nervous because ultimately every penalty called in a game comes down to a referee's opinion/discretion (except puck over glass and even then??) In this series so far, it is absolutely indisputable that power plays (and lack thereof) have been "A/the" critical factor in how these games have played out (as are most games for that matter). What this equates to is that Referee opinion/discretion is and will be a critical factor in the outcome of any game and it seems in particular for this series? ie the referees opinion/discretion could easily determine who wins and who loses and that alone makes me very nervous!! I'm not necessarily questioning the honesty or integrity of officials, I'm just pointing out a fact. Unlike some sports, particularly sports where "first past the post" = winner, team sports are very vulnerable to mistakes by officials. Some try to mitigate this by VAR or official reviews and/or even detailed studies of referee performances (to weed out the ones that are inconsistent or just plain bad). I dont see the NHL doing nearly enough (If anything at all) to ensure that their officials are indeed performing optimally. On the contrary, their stance is: Our officials are perfect and beyond reproach and if anyone disputes this, they will be fined and/or suspended! IMO, that attitude doesnt solve the problem, it only adds to it. And so because the NHL confers "god-like" status (in religions worldwide, gods are the only beings considered infallible), they will continue to act in that way, deciding the fate of games based on what they feel is the "correct order of things" and not necessarily "let it play out" and see what happens? Right now, the "Gods" havent exactly been kind to us? I'm not sure how we "change their minds"? maybe we need to offer up a worthy sacrifice/offering? When you take two steps back on a faceoff and two hand a guy in the back of the legs you are going to get called, when your stick is literally stuck in the skate of the player your tripped you are going to get called, when you wildly swing at the puck 5 feet over your head and it goes straight out of play you are going to get called, when you cross check a guy in the side of the head you are going to get called, ad nauseum. The refs are not ticky tacking us with marginal penalties. They are blatant obvious calls. They are letting the teams play except for blatant stupid stuff and we are in the express lane of committing blatant stupid penalties so far this series. Dutter the gods use your Duttering brains when you are playing and it might not be such an issue. No problem with the calls so far either. Even though it's very one sided. Go Oil! Having a few pops now and the controlled emotion come game time may be lacking...
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Post by toley on Apr 23, 2023 7:43:13 GMT -7
Game 4 the anticipation is killing me
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Post by mrtea on Apr 23, 2023 9:18:05 GMT -7
The Oilers are quickly running out of road, if they are going to prove they are worthy of the reputations they have earned this season, then it's time to show who they are and what they can do. If they let another one slip away, it will only make it harder to come back from. Tonight's the night, now or never! A definitive win in LA is needed to send the right message, no more fooling around.
GO OILERS GO!!
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 23, 2023 9:42:17 GMT -7
The Oilers need to be more disciplined.
The Oilers are taking stupid penalties.
The Oilers are not playing smart.
I'm sorry that's just not accurate. We aren't playing any dirtier or stupider than the Kings are, we are just the only ones getting punished for it. Here is another one of many penalties from the Kings that went uncalled... yet they nail Leon, after a whistle, for what amounts to less than a love tap.
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Post by sharptooth on Apr 23, 2023 11:41:06 GMT -7
The Oilers need to be more disciplined. The Oilers are taking stupid penalties. The Oilers are not playing smart. I'm sorry that's just not accurate. We aren't playing any dirtier or stupider than the Kings are, we are just the only ones getting punished for it. Here is another one of many penalties from the Kings that went uncalled... yet they nail Leon, after a whistle, for what amounts to less than a love tap. Disagree somewhat. The penalties for the most part have been the ones that they have to call. Leon’s was not one of those I totally agree. A crosscheck to the face, a slash that breaks a stick. These are the types of penalties they have to call and are being taken at the worst possible time. There are things that can be done better to limit these types of penalties happening. First off hustle to the bench so the new guy can get on quicker. On Nuges penalty LD was moving at a snails pace to get to the bench which allowed for an outnumbered situation in our end most likely leading to Nuge having to slash a stick and break it. Hyman standing on the ice for 20 seconds moving so slow to get off it caused an offside. This BS of these pros not hustling to the bench puts us in bad positions at times and does lead to some bad decisions in order to avoid a good offensive opportunity for L.A. the fact that most of our team can’t even hustle to the bench causes problems. 1. Outnumbered offensive situations. 2. Forces our d men to stand with the puck while we change allowing LA to set up defensively. 3. Causing offsides etc. I know there is more but this is one of those little things that can have a big impact on a game and is totally in our control to do properly which we do not. |
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Post by drtaf on Apr 23, 2023 16:35:28 GMT -7
The Oilers need to be more disciplined. The Oilers are taking stupid penalties. The Oilers are not playing smart. I'm sorry that's just not accurate. We aren't playing any dirtier or stupider than the Kings are, we are just the only ones getting punished for it. Here is another one of many penalties from the Kings that went uncalled... yet they nail Leon, after a whistle, for what amounts to less than a love tap. Disagree somewhat. The penalties for the most part have been the ones that they have to call. Leon’s was not one of those I totally agree. A crosscheck to the face, a slash that breaks a stick. These are the types of penalties they have to call and are being taken at the worst possible time. There are things that can be done better to limit these types of penalties happening. First off hustle to the bench so the new guy can get on quicker. On Nuges penalty LD was moving at a snails pace to get to the bench which allowed for an outnumbered situation in our end most likely leading to Nuge having to slash a stick and break it. Hyman standing on the ice for 20 seconds moving so slow to get off it caused an offside. This BS of these pros not hustling to the bench puts us in bad positions at times and does lead to some bad decisions in order to avoid a good offensive opportunity for L.A. the fact that most of our team can’t even hustle to the bench causes problems. 1. Outnumbered offensive situations. 2. Forces our d men to stand with the puck while we change allowing LA to set up defensively. 3. Causing offsides etc. I know there is more but this is one of those little things that can have a big impact on a game and is totally in our control to do properly which we do not. The lazy line changes are definitely something they can and should clean up and i agree they definitely lead to all sorts of unnecessary trouble and as you point out, at minimum, allow the kings to comfortably get into their 1-3-1 trap system. Ekholm himself mentioned that the oilers and leon and connor in particular are most dangerous when there's chaos on the ice ie when other teams are not completely set. All this doesnt take away from the double std the refs have shown regarding whats is a penalty for edm and whats not for LA. this also influences the game far beyond time spent in the box. the guys have come right out and said they dont know what is and isnt a penalty anymore. This means they become hesitant which means less aggression. LA can be full on aggressive knowing they wont get called unless its "obvious". IMO, this factors in and influences the game far more than the time spent in the box LA are more aggressive because they "can be" when Edm shows aggression they immediately get penalised. It's like putting a "shock collar" on a dog. Leon pretending to take a swipe at Doughty (he didn't make any meaningful contact btw) is a classic example. Thats done a 100x a game by almost every player and never gets called. anyone who says thats undisciplined dont know F about hockey. So he's supposed to not do that because the refs will call it otherwise?? that's exactly my point. you think doughty will get called for doing similar to McD or Drai?? give me an f'ing break. there's 10,0000 incidences on twitter that show this stuff being done and not get called. Even bieksa on snet who hates oilers called BS on it. They are asking the oiler players to play to a different std. the refs are the whole story right now and i dont know how the NHL can think thats a good thing, but will it change? nope cos its working out just the way they want it and cdn sheep keep ponying up the money.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 23, 2023 18:10:19 GMT -7
The Oilers need to be more disciplined. The Oilers are taking stupid penalties. The Oilers are not playing smart. I'm sorry that's just not accurate. We aren't playing any dirtier or stupider than the Kings are, we are just the only ones getting punished for it. Here is another one of many penalties from the Kings that went uncalled... yet they nail Leon, after a whistle, for what amounts to less than a love tap. Disagree somewhat. The penalties for the most part have been the ones that they have to call. Leon’s was not one of those I totally agree. A crosscheck to the face, a slash that breaks a stick. These are the types of penalties they have to call and are being taken at the worst possible time. There are things that can be done better to limit these types of penalties happening. First off hustle to the bench so the new guy can get on quicker. On Nuges penalty LD was moving at a snails pace to get to the bench which allowed for an outnumbered situation in our end most likely leading to Nuge having to slash a stick and break it. Hyman standing on the ice for 20 seconds moving so slow to get off it caused an offside. This BS of these pros not hustling to the bench puts us in bad positions at times and does lead to some bad decisions in order to avoid a good offensive opportunity for L.A. the fact that most of our team can’t even hustle to the bench causes problems. 1. Outnumbered offensive situations. 2. Forces our d men to stand with the puck while we change allowing LA to set up defensively. 3. Causing offsides etc. I know there is more but this is one of those little things that can have a big impact on a game and is totally in our control to do properly which we do not. I should clarify myself I guess Sharpie. Our penalties were earned penalties, absolutely. The issue I have is that the Kings are not getting called with the same scrutiny as we are.
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 23, 2023 21:31:17 GMT -7
As my favorite golfer, Fat Perez, would say..."Had to have it. Got it."
Stressful as heck, but a huge win.
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Post by sharptooth on Apr 23, 2023 22:15:08 GMT -7
Disagree somewhat. The penalties for the most part have been the ones that they have to call. Leon’s was not one of those I totally agree. A crosscheck to the face, a slash that breaks a stick. These are the types of penalties they have to call and are being taken at the worst possible time. There are things that can be done better to limit these types of penalties happening. First off hustle to the bench so the new guy can get on quicker. On Nuges penalty LD was moving at a snails pace to get to the bench which allowed for an outnumbered situation in our end most likely leading to Nuge having to slash a stick and break it. Hyman standing on the ice for 20 seconds moving so slow to get off it caused an offside. This BS of these pros not hustling to the bench puts us in bad positions at times and does lead to some bad decisions in order to avoid a good offensive opportunity for L.A. the fact that most of our team can’t even hustle to the bench causes problems. 1. Outnumbered offensive situations. 2. Forces our d men to stand with the puck while we change allowing LA to set up defensively. 3. Causing offsides etc. I know there is more but this is one of those little things that can have a big impact on a game and is totally in our control to do properly which we do not. I should clarify myself I guess Sharpie. Our penalties were earned penalties, absolutely. The issue I have is that the Kings are not getting called with the same scrutiny as we are. Yah I can agree with that. They do seem to have a different standard. Tonight’s game was the best reffed game of the series. Still not perfect but better then the first 3. |
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Post by drtaf on Apr 23, 2023 22:23:20 GMT -7
I should clarify myself I guess Sharpie. Our penalties were earned penalties, absolutely. The issue I have is that the Kings are not getting called with the same scrutiny as we are. Yah I can agree with that. They do seem to have a different standard. Tonight’s game was the best reffed game of the series. Still not perfect but better then the first 3. seems like the trick is to look "completely out of it" then the calls will start to go your way?? definitely not suggesting oilers give LA a 3 goal head start each game though, that is definitely not a winning recipe  Shocked we pulled that one out, but also kinda glad i missed it, my health is definitely not up to that kind of stress levels. Much easier to decide whether to watch or not afterwards. Defintely, going to watch this one though 
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Post by sharptooth on Apr 23, 2023 22:47:08 GMT -7
Yah I can agree with that. They do seem to have a different standard. Tonight’s game was the best reffed game of the series. Still not perfect but better then the first 3. seems like the trick is to look "completely out of it" then the calls will start to go your way?? definitely not suggesting oilers give LA a 3 goal head start each game though, that is definitely not a winning recipe Shocked we pulled that one out, but also kinda glad i missed it, my health is definitely not up to that kind of stress levels. Much easier to decide whether to watch or not afterwards. Defintely, going to watch this one though I hope the reffing can be equal to or better then tonight for the rest of the series and beyond. |
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Post by wilbo71 on Apr 23, 2023 23:33:36 GMT -7
Things looked really grim after the 1st period. But Campbell came up huge after Skinner did his best sieve impression. These netminders have to step up and now. Can't have lapses like this this time of the year.
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Post by toley on Apr 24, 2023 5:23:05 GMT -7
Things looked really grim after the 1st period. But Campbell came up huge after Skinner did his best sieve impression. These netminders have to step up and now. Can't have lapses like this this time of the year. Although there were definitely some defensive lapses, rebound control is a must to get sorted |
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Post by windsoroiler on Apr 24, 2023 6:45:44 GMT -7
Very stressful. Missed the entire first, turn on the tv and we are down 3-zip. Better disciplined, now it's best 2 out of 3.
Good on Soup, I did say that he may be getting the starts. Skinner has been average at best, well below average this playoffs actually, he is young, the goalie of the future but this stage may be too big for him at the moment. Korpi let in his first so so goal, let's hope there's several more. Hyman has been poor this series, glad he got a big one. Missing Janmark on the pk. Kane looks hurt and is probably suffering something similar to Drai last playoffs, but he turned it into beast mode in the 3rd and OT.
We will need some more depth scoring moving forward. Foegele looked really good last night and needs to be mentioned.
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Post by sharptooth on Apr 24, 2023 9:09:53 GMT -7
Very stressful. Missed the entire first, turn on the tv and we are down 3-zip. Better disciplined, now it's best 2 out of 3.
Good on Soup, I did say that he may be getting the starts. Skinner has been average at best, well below average this playoffs actually, he is young, the goalie of the future but this stage may be too big for him at the moment. Korpi let in his first so so goal, let's hope there's several more. Hyman has been poor this series, glad he got a big one. Missing Janmark on the pk. Kane looks hurt and is probably suffering something similar to Drai last playoffs, but he turned it into beast mode in the 3rd and OT.
We will need some more depth scoring moving forward. Foegele looked really good last night and needs to be mentioned.
Foegle has been giving it %100 every shift. Fast, hard on the forecheck etc. Hope he gets rewarded soon with a goal. He deserves it! |
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 24, 2023 9:45:00 GMT -7
Very stressful. Missed the entire first, turn on the tv and we are down 3-zip. Better disciplined, now it's best 2 out of 3.
Good on Soup, I did say that he may be getting the starts. Skinner has been average at best, well below average this playoffs actually, he is young, the goalie of the future but this stage may be too big for him at the moment. Korpi let in his first so so goal, let's hope there's several more. Hyman has been poor this series, glad he got a big one. Missing Janmark on the pk. Kane looks hurt and is probably suffering something similar to Drai last playoffs, but he turned it into beast mode in the 3rd and OT.
We will need some more depth scoring moving forward. Foegele looked really good last night and needs to be mentioned.
The Foegele-Ryan combo has been very good. Foegele has 11 sog through 4 games. I've got lots of time to see more of him. His speed advantage is very visible against the Kings matchup. Most of his shifts are 30 seconds with 97&29 on the bench, without giving up any chances in our end. We need as much of that as possible. Also, I didn't know but, he has 50 games of playoff experience. It's showing.
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Post by igibb on Apr 24, 2023 9:57:12 GMT -7
Anyone who thinks the refs are biased against us and not just incompetent. Same two idiots who did game 3 in our series. They were apparently horrendous in the game they did in the Jersey/NYR series as well.
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Shocked we pulled that one out, but also kinda glad i missed it, my health is definitely not up to that kind of stress levels. Much easier to decide whether to watch or not afterwards. Defintely, going to watch this one though 
