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Post by neufab94 on Nov 30, 2019 19:30:29 GMT -7
Hockey Night In Canada commented that Hall might be an Oiler option. This would disrupt the first line but could be an option for the second line. Problem is who would be RW? Neil? Considering that winger strength leaves something to be desired I like the idea but there are logistics, and attitude to consider. Lots of expiring contracts at the end of the season so money after paying Nurse should be workable.
I am not sure what to think but I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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Post by Bronco73 on Nov 30, 2019 19:43:27 GMT -7
and they did say that the Oilers have in fact thrown their hat into the ring as one of the teams that wants to land him. Honestly I WOULD disrupt the first line. McD/Hall/Drai... OMG. RNH/Kassian/Neil would make a pretty strong second line as well.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Nov 30, 2019 22:50:59 GMT -7
We need to unload 6m or pro rata equivalent, so for me, Kris Russell, maybe Chiasson to balance the books, ( I doubt they would take Gagner) plus either a pick 2nd round perhaps, or a prospect. I can't decide if that would be enough, or too much?  |
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Post by fogolin2 on Nov 30, 2019 23:12:10 GMT -7
Don't want him back. Team has been significantly better since he left.
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Post by yuke on Nov 30, 2019 23:27:36 GMT -7
We need to unload 6m or pro rata equivalent, so for me, Kris Russell, maybe Chiasson to balance the books, ( I doubt they would take Gagner) plus either a pick 2nd round perhaps, or a prospect. I can't decide if that would be enough, or too much? He will cost a lot. Guessing Bouchard or Broberg, another prospect & next years 1st. Then some $$ contract so we can fit him in under the cap. If we are going to trade future players I would rather get multiple players for 2nd and 3rd line scoring. |
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Post by snowcheer on Dec 1, 2019 10:14:07 GMT -7
I was going to say something about The Ranch closing down, but I won’t 😅. As intriguing as it is, I can’t see how we could have that much money tied up - I don’t know what we could sign him for or even if we could. If we didn’t get a guarantee then it would be a very expensive rental for a year where we don’t have the depth to be a cup contender. We would have to ship out both current contracts plus prospects. I heard that Jersey would be looking for D and I definitely wouldn’t want to give up Bear or Bouchard.
Do you think they would do a Larson for Hall straight flip? 😀
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 1, 2019 12:28:50 GMT -7
How about we send Larsson to NJ for Hall?  |
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 1, 2019 16:37:05 GMT -7
How about we send Larsson to NJ for Hall? I know you say that in jest, but if we could find a way to balance the dollars that probably would be a good deal for NJ as even after this season, Larsson still has two more seasons on his reasonable contract whereas as we all know, Hall is a UFO at the end of this season. NJ are not making the play offs this season, they will likely lose Hall anyway, so they may as well have a fairly solid NHL defenceman on a reasonable salary for the next two full seasons as compensation for losing Hall. Apparently they are looking to strengthen their defence, and the Oilers need more support scoring, so this does not sound like a ridiculous deal for me, but other smaller parts may have to be included also as well as some financial juggling for it to work.
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 1, 2019 16:42:38 GMT -7
How about we send Larsson to NJ for Hall? I know you say that in jest, but if we could find a way to balance the dollars that probably would be a good deal for NJ as even after this season, Larsson still has two more seasons on his reasonable contract whereas as we all know, Hall is a UFO at the end of this season. NJ are not making the play offs this season, they will likely lose Hall anyway, so they may as well have a fairly solid NHL defenceman on a reasonable salary for the next two full seasons as compensation for losing Hall. Apparently they are looking to strengthen their defence, and the Oilers need more support scoring, so this does not sound like a ridiculous deal for me, but other smaller parts may have to be included also as well as some financial juggling for it to work. Actually, I didn't say that in jest. It's more ironic. I too see some value in doing this since we are not going deep in the playoffs and we do have a great defense on the horizon. Larsson is expendable in some ways. Look, we did quite well with him injured.
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Post by snowcheer on Dec 1, 2019 17:04:30 GMT -7
I know you say that in jest, but if we could find a way to balance the dollars that probably would be a good deal for NJ as even after this season, Larsson still has two more seasons on his reasonable contract whereas as we all know, Hall is a UFO at the end of this season. NJ are not making the play offs this season, they will likely lose Hall anyway, so they may as well have a fairly solid NHL defenceman on a reasonable salary for the next two full seasons as compensation for losing Hall. Apparently they are looking to strengthen their defence, and the Oilers need more support scoring, so this does not sound like a ridiculous deal for me, but other smaller parts may have to be included also as well as some financial juggling for it to work. Actually, I didn't say that in jest. It's more ironic. I too see some value in doing this since we are not going deep in the playoffs and we do have a great defense on the horizon. Larsson is expendable in some ways. Look, we did quite well with him injured. But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 1, 2019 17:30:28 GMT -7
Actually, I didn't say that in jest. It's more ironic. I too see some value in doing this since we are not going deep in the playoffs and we do have a great defense on the horizon. Larsson is expendable in some ways. Look, we did quite well with him injured. But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep Meh. Hall would not be a rental and we knew we would have "the last few games." And oh by the way, Larsson didn't make a whole lot of difference since he came back.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 1, 2019 18:43:09 GMT -7
But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep Meh. Hall would not be a rental and we knew we would have "the last few games." And oh by the way, Larsson didn't make a whole lot of difference since he came back. Hall would definitely be a rental. We can't afford him. He's gonna demand at least Draisaitl money. Are we ready to pay our top line $30M or more? Plus Nurse at $7M. Hypothetically, if we signed Hall for 9M.. We would be paying roughly 70M for 10 players, Lucic's retained salary, and the buyouts still against the cap (Pouliot and Sekera). Say we happen to get rid of Russell without taking salary in return, that's still 66M for 9 players. We would have less than 20M to fill up 14 roster spots. 9 Forwards, 4 Defense, and 1 backup goaltender. Nuge would 100% have to go to give the Oilers even the slightest opportunity to sign Hall.
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Post by snowcheer on Dec 1, 2019 18:46:16 GMT -7
But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep Meh. Hall would not be a rental and we knew we would have "the last few games." And oh by the way, Larsson didn't make a whole lot of difference since he came back. You are correct that not much has helped us the last few games 😣
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 1, 2019 18:51:00 GMT -7
Meh. Hall would not be a rental and we knew we would have "the last few games." And oh by the way, Larsson didn't make a whole lot of difference since he came back. Hall would definitely be a rental. We can't afford him. He's gonna demand at least Draisaitl money. Are we ready to pay our top line $30M or more? Plus Nurse at $7M. Hypothetically, if we signed Hall for 9M.. We would be paying roughly 70M for 10 players, Lucic's retained salary, and the buyouts still against the cap (Pouliot and Sekera). Say we happen to get rid of Russell without taking salary in return, that's still 66M for 9 players. We would have less than 20M to fill up 14 roster spots. 9 Forwards, 4 Defense, and 1 backup goaltender. Nuge would 100% have to go to give the Oilers even the slightest opportunity to sign Hall. Numbers don't lie still, I like to giggle at the irony of the topic to begin with. There are other matters also including "would Hall have a fit if he didn't get top billing?"
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 1, 2019 19:41:11 GMT -7
Actually, I didn't say that in jest. It's more ironic. I too see some value in doing this since we are not going deep in the playoffs and we do have a great defense on the horizon. Larsson is expendable in some ways. Look, we did quite well with him injured. But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep To get a good player a team has to give up also equal or close to value. Also the Oilers defence if anything has looked worse with Larsson than it did without him. A defensive player (with limited skills to start with) just back after a long lay off shouldn't be trying long cross ice passes which in Larsson's case has cost us at least one goal. I would also say that Taylor Hall is a better player now than he was for the bulk of his time during his time as an Oiler, and from memory I think he had pretty good chemistry with Leon. A first line of McDavid with RNH and Kassian on the wings would look pretty good, especially supported with a second line centered by Draisaitl with Hall and Neal on the wings. If that doesn't get more goals from our second line then I don't know what will. It would certainly give other teams two genuine lines to be concerned about. So we lose Larsson, that still leaves us with Nurse, Bear, Klefbom, Jones, Russell and Benning with spare defencemen like Persson and Manning if necessary, plus one or two more in Bakersfield if pushed.
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Post by drtaf on Dec 1, 2019 20:02:11 GMT -7
I don't think it will happen because someone is likely to offer more than what the oil can. realistically, The oilers could offer something like Larsson, Samurakov and Pulu, but only if they have a verbal agreement from Hall that he will sign with Oil for $8mill X 5yrs.If I'm correct, Hall's salary this year would be pro-rated so not that hard to fit in and next year the cap is supposed to go way up cos of Seattle and new TV deal but I think Fog can rest easy as I dont think this offer will be enough and someone like Colorado will likely offer more IMO
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 2, 2019 0:49:03 GMT -7
I’m on the fence. If Hall has grown up, he could be a real asset. His fearless play in junior is what we need more of, but it has to be smart.
What I don’t want is to give up the type of heart and soul, team-first player for Hall. Remember Hendricks? We need these anti-smurf role models.
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Post by Dr. Telly-Belly on Dec 2, 2019 5:28:29 GMT -7
But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep To get a good player a team has to give up also equal or close to value. Also the Oilers defence if anything has looked worse with Larsson than it did without him. A defensive player (with limited skills to start with) just back after a long lay off shouldn't be trying long cross ice passes which in Larsson's case has cost us at least one goal. I would also say that Taylor Hall is a better player now than he was for the bulk of his time during his time as an Oiler, and from memory I think he had pretty good chemistry with Leon. A first line of McDavid with RNH and Kassian on the wings would look pretty good, especially supported with a second line centered by Draisaitl with Hall and Neal on the wings. If that doesn't get more goals from our second line then I don't know what will. It would certainly give other teams two genuine lines to be concerned about. So we lose Larsson, that still leaves us with Nurse, Bear, Klefbom, Jones, Russell and Benning with spare defencemen like Persson and Manning if necessary, plus one or two more in Bakersfield if pushed. Sure Hall got the Hart but I wouldn't say he's any better. In fact, I would say he has regressed in some ways and has lost some of his shine. He's also been prone to injury. Like I said previously, it's just ironic that we would even think of trading for him and especially sending Larsson. It's like a cartoon. In all reality, we should just keep going with the plan Holland and Tip have put together. Hall is not a part of it.
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Post by yuke on Dec 2, 2019 6:37:29 GMT -7
But in effect, we would be giving up Larson for a rental in a year that it doesn’t make sense. I also think that the last few games have shown that until a couple of guys on the farm are ready, our defence isn’t very deep To get a good player a team has to give up also equal or close to value. Also the Oilers defence if anything has looked worse with Larsson than it did without him. A defensive player (with limited skills to start with) just back after a long lay off shouldn't be trying long cross ice passes which in Larsson's case has cost us at least one goal. I would also say that Taylor Hall is a better player now than he was for the bulk of his time during his time as an Oiler, and from memory I think he had pretty good chemistry with Leon. A first line of McDavid with RNH and Kassian on the wings would look pretty good, especially supported with a second line centered by Draisaitl with Hall and Neal on the wings. If that doesn't get more goals from our second line then I don't know what will. It would certainly give other teams two genuine lines to be concerned about. So we lose Larsson, that still leaves us with Nurse, Bear, Klefbom, Jones, Russell and Benning with spare defencemen like Persson and Manning if necessary, plus one or two more in Bakersfield if pushed. Maybe judge Larason after his 15 game mark, other players have 20 games in already |
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 2, 2019 6:38:44 GMT -7
To get a good player a team has to give up also equal or close to value. Also the Oilers defence if anything has looked worse with Larsson than it did without him. A defensive player (with limited skills to start with) just back after a long lay off shouldn't be trying long cross ice passes which in Larsson's case has cost us at least one goal. I would also say that Taylor Hall is a better player now than he was for the bulk of his time during his time as an Oiler, and from memory I think he had pretty good chemistry with Leon. A first line of McDavid with RNH and Kassian on the wings would look pretty good, especially supported with a second line centered by Draisaitl with Hall and Neal on the wings. If that doesn't get more goals from our second line then I don't know what will. It would certainly give other teams two genuine lines to be concerned about. So we lose Larsson, that still leaves us with Nurse, Bear, Klefbom, Jones, Russell and Benning with spare defencemen like Persson and Manning if necessary, plus one or two more in Bakersfield if pushed. Sure Hall got the Hart but I wouldn't say he's any better. In fact, I would say he has regressed in some ways and has lost some of his shine. He's also been prone to injury. Like I said previously, it's just ironic that we would even think of trading for him and especially sending Larsson. It's like a cartoon. In all reality, we should just keep going with the plan Holland and Tip have put together. Hall is not a part of it. Wether it be Hall or someone else I’m positive part of Holland’s plan is to improve the Oilers. Depending what has to be givin up to get hall he would definitely improve the team. I’m not saying I’m for or against the idea but just adding my 2 cents. |
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