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Post by oildude on Sept 20, 2019 8:58:20 GMT -7
I believe this will be a question mark all season. Kosk is not the guy, the book is out on him. Can Smith step up and start 65 - 70 games this season? I feel like we are in tough, this is going to be Chia's one gift that keeps on giving.
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Post by Messier11 on Sept 20, 2019 9:14:47 GMT -7
Maybe we should wait till the real season starts before making definitive statements? Remember how much of a sure thing Rattie was last year? In fact Rattie, Yamamoto and Jesse P all looked unreal and our biggest issue up front ended up being scoring right wingers. Koskinen himself had an awful pre season last year and then went on to look unstoppable his first 10-15 real games.
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Post by oildude on Sept 20, 2019 9:35:41 GMT -7
Maybe we should wait till the real season starts before making definitive statements? Remember how much of a sure thing Rattie was last year? In fact Rattie, Yamamoto and Jesse P all looked unreal and our biggest issue up front ended up being scoring right wingers. Koskinen himself had an awful pre season last year and then went on to look unstoppable his first 10-15 real games. I just think that Koskinen as a 30 plus year old goalie with a pretty exploitable weakness(high glove all day) that looked exactly the same as it did last year. I for one do not feel confident at all with him between the pipes. I am really hoping that one of our minor league goalies can step up huge in the next couple of years and take that starter role because right now we have nothing in net to get excited about.
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Post by greyone on Sept 20, 2019 10:08:24 GMT -7
Goaltending is currently the weakest position. Tippett's defensive system may help but not remove the concerns.
I'm no a fan of Koskinen. Last year he was 2.93 GAA and .906 SV%, one of the worst among NHL starters. He is clearly not the answer long term even though he's signed through 2021-22. I would not be surprised if Smith takes over the #1 spot early in the season. My concern is Smith's health. If he goes down with an injury early in the season it could be a challenge for the team to not fall too much behind.
Skinner is only 20 and clearly needs more time in minors. The problem is there seem to be no decent free agent goalies left so the Oilers need to roll with what they have.
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 20, 2019 10:56:30 GMT -7
This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us.
If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender.
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Post by Messier11 on Sept 20, 2019 11:30:39 GMT -7
This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. Well they have drafted goalies like crazy the past few years. Eventually one of them has to work out.
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 20, 2019 11:37:19 GMT -7
This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. Well they have drafted goalies like crazy the past few years. Eventually one of them has to work out. Very true. I think they finally realized what little emphasis they were actually putting on goaltending and are making a concerted effort to improve that area. Problem is, a goaltending program takes a very long time to develop. We won't be seeing the benefits of that for some time yet.
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Post by oildude on Sept 20, 2019 11:46:14 GMT -7
This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. The last goalie we drafted and developed into a starter bronco? It was Grant Fuhr. It has literally been that long. Dubnyk never turned into a real starter until he left here (and a couple of other stops). Every other great goalie we have had here (Ranford, Cugo, Salo,Roli) we have traded for. Literally the 80's were the last time......the 80's. Wrap your head around that.
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Post by neufab94 on Sept 20, 2019 17:49:59 GMT -7
I really hope Kosk is at least average, otherwise he may as well ride out his contract in the pressbox, and give a rookie a shot. Maybe average goaltending and some team defense can minimize the damage.
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Post by oilyfan on Sept 21, 2019 8:33:20 GMT -7
This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. Well they have drafted goalies like crazy the past few years. Eventually one of them has to work out. This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. The last goalie we drafted and developed into a starter bronco? It was Grant Fuhr. It has literally been that long. Dubnyk never turned into a real starter until he left here (and a couple of other stops). Every other great goalie we have had here (Ranford, Cugo, Salo,Roli) we have traded for. Literally the 80's were the last time......the 80's. Wrap your head around that. Just practicing with the multiquote feature here but wanted to add a little bit. Sorry about this, but I have to reference the CFL. I often think of Football and Hockey have similar positions - QB and Goalie. My fav CFL team (WPG) hasn't won a Grey Cup since '91 (I think, maybe it was '90). In an 8 / 9 team league, that's awful. To put in perspective, that means going 105 years in the NHL without a Stanley Cup win. The last QB the Bombers brought into the league and developed was Danny McManus - but he never started there as they traded him for Matt Dunnigan just as he was on the verge. So reading about Fuhr I just had to draw a parallel. Bombers look to finally, after decades, found a good one in Chris Streveler, but looks can be deceiving and he still has a long way to go. As for the Oilers, yes we have finally started drafting goalies again and are trying to develop them. One good thing about our current setup is we have a spot for good young goalie if he gets hot. Smith is only here fro the year, Kos will most undoubtly be bought out of the last year of his deal which we'd only have to pay him 1.3M a year I believe for two years (way better than 4.5M). I hope one of our younger goalies can step up by next season to make that possible. I don't hold much hope for this season. I can't see Smith staying healthy or consistent enough and Kos is what he is.
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Post by Admin on Sept 21, 2019 12:30:10 GMT -7
and baseball with pitching. The blue jays are living proof that all the batting firepower in the world won't help you if you don't have decent pitching.
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Post by oilyfan on Sept 21, 2019 14:47:34 GMT -7
and baseball with pitching. The blue jays are living proof that all the batting firepower in the world won't help you if you don't have decent pitching. Good point - Blue Jays are at their best when the core of their pitching staff were drafted and developed by them.
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Post by mrtea on Sept 21, 2019 16:16:18 GMT -7
Goaltending is looking to be our weekspot on the team this year. It is looking like we will have more scoring from the wingers and it's also looking like the defense will move the puck better than last year. Realistically it would be hard to do worse that we did in those to areas last season, but it does look like we will see improvement. Bouchard will be going to Bakersfield to work on his defense but we still will have players motivated to improve passing and shooting from the backend. It looks like Tippett has been working with the players to improve this aspect of the team game.
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Post by BoomnotBust on Sept 21, 2019 17:46:26 GMT -7
This team has made a point out of putting goaltending on the back burner for so many years, since even before the cup run in fact. I can't name a single goaltender other than Dubnyk that we developed into a legit NHL starter (even then he didn't really develop into a good goaltender until years after we traded him away). Even acquiring them has been horrible for this team, the only OK acquisition was Roloson who was a lucky strike that looking at his numbers was only decent with us. If this organization doesn't start focusing and investing better on all aspects of goaltending we will never be a contender. It's been brutal. It seems like every goalie we get gets worse as time goes on and ultimately ends in disaster.
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Post by BoomnotBust on Sept 21, 2019 17:50:58 GMT -7
I'm concerned about the goaltending, don't have confidence in Koskinen. He appears to have some glaring weaknesses that teams caught on to and he is already on the wrong side of 31.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Sept 21, 2019 18:15:26 GMT -7
I'm concerned about the goaltending, don't have confidence in Koskinen. He appears to have some glaring weaknesses that teams caught on to and he is already on the wrong side of 31. Stating the obvious here bud.
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 21, 2019 18:25:47 GMT -7
It's funny, he really shone in the KHL, his % was up in the 920's, and it was consistently that good. Maybe he needs more adjust time here in the NHL, but right now he just is not sharp.
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Post by sharptooth on Sept 21, 2019 19:22:15 GMT -7
It's funny, he really shone in the KHL, his % was up in the 920's, and it was consistently that good. Maybe he needs more adjust time here in the NHL, but right now he just is not sharp. Hey keep me out of this.
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Post by toley on Sept 22, 2019 6:51:50 GMT -7
It's funny, he really shone in the KHL, his % was up in the 920's, and it was consistently that good. Maybe he needs more adjust time here in the NHL, but right now he just is not sharp. How many games did he play with the Islanders, I know it wasn't much?
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Post by Bronco73 on Sept 22, 2019 9:38:16 GMT -7
It's funny, he really shone in the KHL, his % was up in the 920's, and it was consistently that good. Maybe he needs more adjust time here in the NHL, but right now he just is not sharp. How many games did he play with the Islanders, I know it wasn't much? 4
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