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Post by drtaf on May 28, 2021 14:29:33 GMT -7
I think JP solidified his place in top 6 and he has the attitude,speed, strength and prerequisite size to fit on either of mcD or Drai's line. hopefully he'll continue to learn english, the NA game, get his shots off faster and work some more on his positioning and next year we'll be worrying about how to sign him under the cap because he'll have earned a big raise! That still leaves 3 more top 6 to go, 2 if we re-sign nuge to reasonable cap hit. Preferably, both those 2 will have size speed and skill but at least one of them has to.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 28, 2021 15:13:51 GMT -7
That's what I want from Holland. Whatever kept McDavid and Draisaitl playing on the same line (and Nurse and Barrie, our two most offensively talented dmen, paired to back them up) for most of the year has to change. Whether that was a player, coach or management decision, it has to change. I get it that it gave all 4 big point seasons as a result, but we have to become more playoff focused. For Tippet to split McDavid and Draisaitl for game #1 of the series, after they play on the same line all year, is ridiculous. Same with splitting Nurse and Barrie for game #3. We had a playoff spot basically locked up weeks before the playoffs started. The Oilers needed to use that time to sort out their playoff game, not pad their individual numbers. I don't know who makes those calls on this team, but it has to change unless we value the scoring race more than the playoff race. IMO it's a lack of other good forwards who can make 2 productive lines. If we're trotting out lineups with a rotaion JP-Kahun-McLeod-Kassian-Yamamoto as parts of your top 6, we'll have little shot against tough deep teams like Winnipeg. We just need better players, and more of them. What’s wrong with JP? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by mrtea on May 28, 2021 16:04:01 GMT -7
IMO it's a lack of other good forwards who can make 2 productive lines. If we're trotting out lineups with a rotaion JP-Kahun-McLeod-Kassian-Yamamoto as parts of your top 6, we'll have little shot against tough deep teams like Winnipeg. We just need better players, and more of them. What’s wrong with JP? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree Jesse is a top six player and going to get better and McLeod may need to start on the 3rd line but could easily acclimate to the top six and make an impression. Kassian getting the odd top six rotation is good to keep the opposition distracted from time to time. We definitely need some upgrades, but like Holland said you can't replace everyone, you need some growth from within also.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 28, 2021 18:52:10 GMT -7
The only player's I'd like the Flames to pick up on the pass list is Russell /w reduced salary. I'd also take Haas and Archie if made available. No longer a Kass fan with inconsistant play. I think the Oil need an older statesman player with lots of character and Cup experience. Many in Marshall's list are highly desirable and hard to shake loose IMO. Ullmark is a good goalie from a bad team IMO. I agree Barrie and Bear are mirror images of one another, so I'd keep Bear. Oiler defense needs a shakeup along with goaltending. Nurse is a mainstay and won't go anywhere any time soon. Bear is a desirable 2nd, but Bouchard will eventually take that spot IMO. Broberg should be brought over next year for a look and be sent to AHL. Oil needs a mobile defensive oriented defenseman with good stick skills in blocking passing lanes and positionally sound. (Although every team could use one of them.  ) |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 28, 2021 18:53:54 GMT -7
The only player's I'd like the Flames to pick up on the pass list is Russell /w reduced salary. I'd also take Haas and Archie if made available. No longer a Kass fan with inconsistant play. I think the Oil need an older statesman player with lots of character and Cup experience. Many in Marshall's list are highly desirable and hard to shake loose IMO. Ullmark is a good goalie from a bad team IMO. I agree Barrie and Bear are mirror images of one another, so I'd keep Bear. Oiler defense needs a shakeup along with goaltending. Nurse is a mainstay and won't go anywhere any time soon. Bear is a desirable 2nd, but Bouchard will eventually take that spot IMO. Broberg should be brought over next year for a look and be sent to AHL. Oil needs a mobile defensive oriented defenseman with good stick skills in blocking passing lanes and positionally sound. (Although every team could use one of them. ) Russel is only making 1.25M next season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by fogolin2 on May 28, 2021 21:42:15 GMT -7
IMO it's a lack of other good forwards who can make 2 productive lines. If we're trotting out lineups with a rotaion JP-Kahun-McLeod-Kassian-Yamamoto as parts of your top 6, we'll have little shot against tough deep teams like Winnipeg. We just need better players, and more of them. What’s wrong with JP? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk he's our best right winger. Jets rolled Wheeler and Ehlers in their top 6
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Post by fogolin2 on May 28, 2021 21:47:03 GMT -7
What’s wrong with JP? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree Jesse is a top six player and going to get better and McLeod may need to start on the 3rd line but could easily acclimate to the top six and make an impression. Kassian getting the odd top six rotation is good to keep the opposition distracted from time to time. We definitely need some upgrades, but like Holland said you can't replace everyone, you need some growth from within also. He is on the Oilers. Is he better than any top6 rw in the North Division? Wheeler-Ehlers Tkachuk-Magiapane Gallagher-Anderson Dadonov-Brown Marner-Nylander
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Post by mrtea on May 29, 2021 0:03:40 GMT -7
I agree Jesse is a top six player and going to get better and McLeod may need to start on the 3rd line but could easily acclimate to the top six and make an impression. Kassian getting the odd top six rotation is good to keep the opposition distracted from time to time. We definitely need some upgrades, but like Holland said you can't replace everyone, you need some growth from within also. He is on the Oilers. Is he better than any top6 rw in the North Division? Wheeler-Ehlers Tkachuk-Magiapane Gallagher-Anderson Dadonov-Brown Marner-Nylander Until you can replace Jesse with any of the above he is one. If you think Holland will replace all the top six wingers you are sadly mistaken. Listen to his last press conference he states we need to see growth from within and he lists Jesse as one example.
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Post by fogolin2 on May 29, 2021 7:04:34 GMT -7
He is on the Oilers. Is he better than any top6 rw in the North Division? Wheeler-Ehlers Tkachuk-Magiapane Gallagher-Anderson Dadonov-Brown Marner-Nylander Until you can replace Jesse with any of the above he is one. If you think Holland will replace all the top six wingers you are sadly mistaken. Listen to his last press conference he states we need to see growth from within and he lists Jesse as one example. We agree that we don't enough good forwards to have a competitive lineup.
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Post by drtaf on May 29, 2021 9:43:36 GMT -7
This was essentially JPs first year so comparing him to all those established RWs is a bit unfair IMO, let’s see what he can do next year. But yeah we need more top 6 wingers No Question
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Post by fogolin2 on May 29, 2021 11:22:34 GMT -7
This was essentially JPs first year so comparing him to all those established RWs is a bit unfair IMO, let’s see what he can do next year. But yeah we need more top 6 wingers No Question My comment wasn't meant as a knock on JP individually. Just an observation that all our competitors this year have an advantage at the wing positions. Yup. We need better players.
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Post by neufab94 on May 29, 2021 13:27:44 GMT -7
This is a tough year to truly get an accurate picture since the Oilers only played against 6 teams. Measuring performance against the Avs, Wild, Vegas, etc. may or may not have the same results and therefore I think it is a mistake to make drastic changes. I don't think KH would do that but the point remains.
Goaltending:
Pretty obvious we need at least another year from Smith and replace Koskinen.
Forward:
A major deficiency on the Oilers roster is on LW and with Nuge playing LW beside Drai and Yamo it leaves the top line weak on the left side. JP has shown that he can succeed in the NHL and in the event that KH brings in a legit top 6 LW it would solidify the top 6 with the addition of 1 player provided he keeps Nuge. Yamamoto would need to regain his form from the year before for this to work and I think he will... chalk it up to a sophomore slump. Kahun simply did not show that he was a top 6 guy.
For the bottom 6 I like Archibald, Kassian, Shore, McLeaod and don't mind Kuhun, which makes 5 and I leave one spot open for Lavoie or Halloway. Cut ties with Ennis, Turris, Neal, Chaisson, Nygard, Khaira and Russell. Maybe keep Haas as a filler and rely on the Condors progression for call-ups if you need to. The bottom 6 although they some good games just did not contribute consistently enough and so maybe it's time to let go of some players that have been here a while.
Defense:
For the first time in years this was a bright spot for the Oilers. Seeing that Barrie finished at the top in points means his agent has the ammunition to get Barrie his retiring contract. Unless Barrie himself pulls the reigns on his agent he will get term and money somewhere else. Both Nurse and Barrie will command big dollars so I choose Nurse and realize that Bouchard and Broberg are ready to step in. Having Larsson, Koekkoek, Bear, Jones, Lagesson, and Kulikov makes 9 and leaves the Oilers with decent depth, especially if Klefbom returns.
What this looks like:
? - McDavid - JP
Nuge - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Kahun - McLeod - Archibald
rookie - Shore - Kassian
Nurse - Bouchard
Kulikov - Larsson
Koekkoek - Bear
Extras: Broberg, Jones, Lagesson, IR Klefbom
Smith
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 29, 2021 14:36:38 GMT -7
This is a tough year to truly get an accurate picture since the Oilers only played against 6 teams. Measuring performance against the Avs, Wild, Vegas, etc. may or may not have the same results and therefore I think it is a mistake to make drastic changes. I don't think KH would do that but the point remains. Goaltending: Pretty obvious we need at least another year from Smith and replace Koskinen. Forward: A major deficiency on the Oilers roster is on LW and with Nuge playing LW beside Drai and Yamo it leaves the top line weak on the left side. JP has shown that he can succeed in the NHL and in the event that KH brings in a legit top 6 LW it would solidify the top 6 with the addition of 1 player provided he keeps Nuge. Yamamoto would need to regain his form from the year before for this to work and I think he will... chalk it up to a sophomore slump. Kahun simply did not show that he was a top 6 guy. For the bottom 6 I like Archibald, Kassian, Shore, McLeaod and don't mind Kuhun, which makes 5 and I leave one spot open for Lavoie or Halloway. Cut ties with Ennis, Turris, Neal, Chaisson, Nygard, Khaira and Russell. Maybe keep Haas as a filler and rely on the Condors progression for call-ups if you need to. The bottom 6 although they some good games just did not contribute consistently enough and so maybe it's time to let go of some players that have been here a while. Defense: For the first time in years this was a bright spot for the Oilers. Seeing that Barrie finished at the top in points means his agent has the ammunition to get Barrie his retiring contract. Unless Barrie himself pulls the reigns on his agent he will get term and money somewhere else. Both Nurse and Barrie will command big dollars so I choose Nurse and realize that Bouchard and Broberg are ready to step in. Having Larsson, Koekkoek, Bear, Jones, Lagesson, and Kulikov makes 9 and leaves the Oilers with decent depth, especially if Klefbom returns. What this looks like: ? - McDavid - JP Nuge - Draisaitl - Yamamoto Kahun - McLeod - Archibald rookie - Shore - Kassian Nurse - Bouchard Kulikov - Larsson Koekkoek - Bear Extras: Broberg, Jones, Lagesson, IR Klefbom Smith ? I don’t see Nuge, Neal, Kulikov, Kahun or Koski back. Neal and Koski buyout candidates. I see Jones being taken in the expansion draft. Barrie is a ? for me. I don’t mind him staying, at a reasonable price. I’d be cool with 4.5-5M tops. Broberg, Bouchard, and Lagesson will be on the roster next year. Lagesson and Broberg swapping 6/7 spots throughout the year. I could see Holloway and/or Lavoie cracking the lineup. Although, I’d like to have Holloway get some more pro time before being a full time NHLer. He’s been with Bakersfield since finishing his NCAA season, but hasn’t been able to play a game yet. Benson and McLeod played well in Bakersfield, maybe putting them on the third line could be something. ? - McDavid - Puljujärvi ? - Draisaitl - Yamamoto Holloway/Benson - McLeod - Kassian Shore - Khaira - Archibald Chiasson Nurse - Barrie/Bouchard Koekkoek - Bear Broberg - Larsson Lagesson Smith ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 15:05:35 GMT -7
This is a tough year to truly get an accurate picture since the Oilers only played against 6 teams. Measuring performance against the Avs, Wild, Vegas, etc. may or may not have the same results and therefore I think it is a mistake to make drastic changes. I don't think KH would do that but the point remains. Goaltending: Pretty obvious we need at least another year from Smith and replace Koskinen. Forward: A major deficiency on the Oilers roster is on LW and with Nuge playing LW beside Drai and Yamo it leaves the top line weak on the left side. JP has shown that he can succeed in the NHL and in the event that KH brings in a legit top 6 LW it would solidify the top 6 with the addition of 1 player provided he keeps Nuge. Yamamoto would need to regain his form from the year before for this to work and I think he will... chalk it up to a sophomore slump. Kahun simply did not show that he was a top 6 guy. For the bottom 6 I like Archibald, Kassian, Shore, McLeaod and don't mind Kuhun, which makes 5 and I leave one spot open for Lavoie or Halloway. Cut ties with Ennis, Turris, Neal, Chaisson, Nygard, Khaira and Russell. Maybe keep Haas as a filler and rely on the Condors progression for call-ups if you need to. The bottom 6 although they some good games just did not contribute consistently enough and so maybe it's time to let go of some players that have been here a while. Defense: For the first time in years this was a bright spot for the Oilers. Seeing that Barrie finished at the top in points means his agent has the ammunition to get Barrie his retiring contract. Unless Barrie himself pulls the reigns on his agent he will get term and money somewhere else. Both Nurse and Barrie will command big dollars so I choose Nurse and realize that Bouchard and Broberg are ready to step in. Having Larsson, Koekkoek, Bear, Jones, Lagesson, and Kulikov makes 9 and leaves the Oilers with decent depth, especially if Klefbom returns. What this looks like: ? - McDavid - JP Nuge - Draisaitl - Yamamoto Kahun - McLeod - Archibald rookie - Shore - Kassian Nurse - Bouchard Kulikov - Larsson Koekkoek - Bear Extras: Broberg, Jones, Lagesson, IR Klefbom Smith ? I don’t see Nuge, Neal, Kulikov, Kahun or Koski back. Neal and Koski buyout candidates. I see Jones being taken in the expansion draft. Barrie is a ? for me. I don’t mind him staying, at a reasonable price. I’d be cool with 4.5-5M tops. Broberg, Bouchard, and Lagesson will be on the roster next year. Lagesson and Broberg swapping 6/7 spots throughout the year. I could see Holloway and/or Lavoie cracking the lineup. Although, I’d like to have Holloway get some more pro time before being a full time NHLer. He’s been with Bakersfield since finishing his NCAA season, but hasn’t been able to play a game yet. Benson and McLeod played well in Bakersfield, maybe putting them on the third line could be something. ? - McDavid - Puljujärvi ? - Draisaitl - Yamamoto Holloway/Benson - McLeod - Kassian Shore - Khaira - Archibald Chiasson Nurse - Barrie/Bouchard Koekkoek - Bear Broberg - Larsson Lagesson Smith ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 29, 2021 15:10:44 GMT -7
I don’t see Nuge, Neal, Kulikov, Kahun or Koski back. Neal and Koski buyout candidates. I see Jones being taken in the expansion draft. Barrie is a ? for me. I don’t mind him staying, at a reasonable price. I’d be cool with 4.5-5M tops. Broberg, Bouchard, and Lagesson will be on the roster next year. Lagesson and Broberg swapping 6/7 spots throughout the year. I could see Holloway and/or Lavoie cracking the lineup. Although, I’d like to have Holloway get some more pro time before being a full time NHLer. He’s been with Bakersfield since finishing his NCAA season, but hasn’t been able to play a game yet. Benson and McLeod played well in Bakersfield, maybe putting them on the third line could be something. ? - McDavid - Puljujärvi ? - Draisaitl - Yamamoto Holloway/Benson - McLeod - Kassian Shore - Khaira - Archibald Chiasson Nurse - Barrie/Bouchard Koekkoek - Bear Broberg - Larsson Lagesson Smith ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have to agree with your list on who does not come back. I am now convinced Nuge will not be here. I think the surprise might be Barrie signing for less and more term. I also think Chiasson is on the fence? Fans might get a surprise that Konovlov will be in the net for the big club. I’d like to see Konovalov get AHL time before the big club, but if he comes to camp and absolutely kills it then I’m all for him backing Smith up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by fogolin2 on May 30, 2021 9:38:01 GMT -7
Seth Jones will be going to UFA at the end of his deal next season
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 30, 2021 11:13:16 GMT -7
Seth Jones will be going to UFA at the end of his deal next season He would be a MASSIVE pickup. If we were to acquire him before his contract ends, Bouchard would be the centre piece of that trade. |
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Post by drtaf on May 30, 2021 11:23:04 GMT -7
I’d absolutely throw Bouchard in to a trade for Seth, especially as I think Broberg will be a much better D in the end so Bouchard is expendable imo for someone like Jones
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Post by yuke on May 30, 2021 16:03:11 GMT -7
Seth Jones will be going to UFA at the end of his deal next season Trade them his brother for a goalie. They can use that as an enticement for Seth to sign. |
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Post by blackhawk216 on May 30, 2021 19:41:11 GMT -7
The only player's I'd like the Flames to pick up on the pass list is Russell /w reduced salary. I'd also take Haas and Archie if made available. No longer a Kass fan with inconsistant play. I think the Oil need an older statesman player with lots of character and Cup experience. Many in Marshall's list are highly desirable and hard to shake loose IMO. Ullmark is a good goalie from a bad team IMO. I agree Barrie and Bear are mirror images of one another, so I'd keep Bear. Oiler defense needs a shakeup along with goaltending. Nurse is a mainstay and won't go anywhere any time soon. Bear is a desirable 2nd, but Bouchard will eventually take that spot IMO. Broberg should be brought over next year for a look and be sent to AHL. Oil needs a mobile defensive oriented defenseman with good stick skills in blocking passing lanes and positionally sound. (Although every team could use one of them. ) Please explain how Barrie P56, 8, 40 for 48pts is a mirror image of Bear P43, 2, 6 for 8 pts are "mirror images"?
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