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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Oct 12, 2021 15:23:42 GMT -7
I'm seeing an .899 in 20/21, which is his worst year since being a rookie and only playing 4 games for the Islanders in 2010. I guess I should have clarified that save percentage is what I focus on when talking goaltending. I couldn't care less about wins. What if he wins 10-8 but only faces 9 shots? he still wins but it's a horrible performance. To me the most important goaltending stat without question is save percentage. I am comparing win % whereas you are comparing save %..........take your pick ..... but personally I value a win more than a few save % points, I would like to think that both Mike Smith and Mikko Koskinen also value wins over personal save %. And I couldn't care less about goalie save %............winning games is what really matters, and I doubt Dave Tippet would disagree. What good is (as an example) a 9.25 save % if we still lose the game? Also many shots are harder to get out of the way of than to actually save.......I don't quite agree with you, but that is what this forum is about, differing opinions. No problem with that. So... a goalie who wins more than loses, but lets in 4 goals a game is cool?
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Post by Bronco73 on Oct 12, 2021 16:18:57 GMT -7
I'm seeing an .899 in 20/21, which is his worst year since being a rookie and only playing 4 games for the Islanders in 2010. I guess I should have clarified that save percentage is what I focus on when talking goaltending. I couldn't care less about wins. What if he wins 10-8 but only faces 9 shots? he still wins but it's a horrible performance. To me the most important goaltending stat without question is save percentage. I am comparing win % whereas you are comparing save %..........take your pick ..... but personally I value a win more than a few save % points, I would like to think that both Mike Smith and Mikko Koskinen also value wins over personal save %. And I couldn't care less about goalie save %............winning games is what really matters, and I doubt Dave Tippet would disagree. What good is (as an example) a 9.25 save % if we still lose the game? Also many shots are harder to get out of the way of than to actually save.......I don't quite agree with you, but that is what this forum is about, differing opinions. No problem with that. All good BH, I was just justifying what my argument was. I think we can both agree though that last year was an outlier for Koskinen, and if he can get his Mangiapane together for this season we could see a bounceback. As Oiler fans we have to hope this is the case, since we are stuck with him lol!
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Post by happyhappy on Oct 12, 2021 16:24:34 GMT -7
I predict we finish tops in the Western Conference.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Oct 12, 2021 17:47:44 GMT -7
I am comparing win % whereas you are comparing save %..........take your pick ..... but personally I value a win more than a few save % points, I would like to think that both Mike Smith and Mikko Koskinen also value wins over personal save %. And I couldn't care less about goalie save %............winning games is what really matters, and I doubt Dave Tippet would disagree. What good is (as an example) a 9.25 save % if we still lose the game? Also many shots are harder to get out of the way of than to actually save.......I don't quite agree with you, but that is what this forum is about, differing opinions. No problem with that. All good BH, I was just justifying what my argument was. I think we can both agree though that last year was an outlier for Koskinen, and if he can get his Monahan together for this season we could see a bounceback. As Oiler fans we have to hope this is the case, since we are stuck with him lol! Agreed, why wouldn't we want Koskinen to do well? From what we saw last season from Smith, and from what we have seen this pre-season from Mikko and Skinner I really don't think we are as doubtful at the goalie position as the experts would have us believe. I must admit, I was not impressed with Skinner's one game last season when I think he let the occasion get away from him. But so far, this pre-season he has looked OK.........and as I can't see either Smith or Koskinen going the entire season without injury/illness/loss of form etc it is important that we have not just a twosome to call on in goal, but a threesome. Go Smithy, Go Mikko, and Go Skinner!
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Post by sharptooth on Oct 12, 2021 18:06:13 GMT -7
All good BH, I was just justifying what my argument was. I think we can both agree though that last year was an outlier for Koskinen, and if he can get his Monahan together for this season we could see a bounceback. As Oiler fans we have to hope this is the case, since we are stuck with him lol! Agreed, why wouldn't we want Koskinen to do well? From what we saw last season from Smith, and from what we have seen this pre-season from Mikko and Skinner I really don't think we are as doubtful at the goalie position as the experts would have us believe. I must admit, I was not impressed with Skinner's one game last season when I think he let the occasion get away from him. But so far, this pre-season he has looked OK.........and as I can't see either Smith or Koskinen going the entire season without injury/illness/loss of form etc it is important that we have not just a twosome to call on in goal, but a threesome. Go Smithy, Go Mikko, and Go Skinner! Skinner looks hungry and that’s the ultimate goal!
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Post by drtaf on Oct 12, 2021 20:34:49 GMT -7
I predict all the TO media predicting leafs will win the cup and oilers will not get past round 1 will be eating giant servings of crow and Mangiapane sandwiches 😉
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Post by discostew on Oct 14, 2021 9:16:55 GMT -7
I am comparing win % whereas you are comparing save %..........take your pick ..... but personally I value a win more than a few save % points, I would like to think that both Mike Smith and Mikko Koskinen also value wins over personal save %. And I couldn't care less about goalie save %............winning games is what really matters, and I doubt Dave Tippet would disagree. What good is (as an example) a 9.25 save % if we still lose the game? Also many shots are harder to get out of the way of than to actually save.......I don't quite agree with you, but that is what this forum is about, differing opinions. No problem with that. So... a goalie who wins more than loses, but lets in 4 goals a game is cool? Yes Grant Fuhr was alright, imho.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Oct 14, 2021 13:04:21 GMT -7
I am comparing win % whereas you are comparing save %..........take your pick ..... but personally I value a win more than a few save % points, I would like to think that both Mike Smith and Mikko Koskinen also value wins over personal save %. And I couldn't care less about goalie save %............winning games is what really matters, and I doubt Dave Tippet would disagree. What good is (as an example) a 9.25 save % if we still lose the game? Also many shots are harder to get out of the way of than to actually save.......I don't quite agree with you, but that is what this forum is about, differing opinions. No problem with that. So... a goalie who wins more than loses, but lets in 4 goals a game is cool? Was Fuhr cool? 3.38 goals against at a save % of .887? Different era, I know, but just saying. But to answer your question, if a goalie conceded 328 goals in a season, but wins 82 games, yep, I would say that is cool.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Oct 14, 2021 13:18:18 GMT -7
So... a goalie who wins more than loses, but lets in 4 goals a game is cool? Was Fuhr cool? 3.38 goals against at a save % of .887? Different era, I know, but just saying. But to answer your question, if a goalie conceded 328 goals in a season, but wins 82 games, yep, I would say that is cool. Yeah but it wouldn’t make him a good goalie. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 17, 2021 6:57:14 GMT -7
No bold predictions from me. I got nothing, lol
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 25, 2022 12:07:57 GMT -7
Kosko wins 25+ games and carries us to the Western Finals. Kass and Foegele go together like peas&carrots. They both score 15+ Keith and Bouchard both hit 40 points, making us the top scoring defense in the league. Welp.....not looking too good. Bouchard is kinda on track for 40, but Keith was not and now he's hurt. Kass and his 5 goals has vanished. Foegele at 7 but has had some good chances recently. Could get on a heater, and it would sure help!! Kosko was so good early that I thought I was coasting this one across the line. He is at 17, so I still think he's my best shot at getting one right.
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Post by columbusoiler on Feb 25, 2022 12:49:39 GMT -7
Kosko wins 25+ games and carries us to the Western Finals. Kass and Foegele go together like peas&carrots. They both score 15+ Keith and Bouchard both hit 40 points, making us the top scoring defense in the league. Welp.....not looking too good. Bouchard is kinda on track for 40, but Keith was not and now he's hurt. Kass and his 5 goals has vanished. Foegele at 7 but has had some good chances recently. Could get on a heater, and it would sure help!! Kosko was so good early that I thought I was coasting this one across the line. He is at 17, so I still think he's my best shot at getting one right. Yours is closer than mine, Fog. I don't even want to mention mine. I must've been hitting bongs that day.
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Post by sharptooth on Feb 25, 2022 13:32:01 GMT -7
Kosko wins 25+ games and carries us to the Western Finals. Kass and Foegele go together like peas&carrots. They both score 15+ Keith and Bouchard both hit 40 points, making us the top scoring defense in the league. Welp.....not looking too good. Bouchard is kinda on track for 40, but Keith was not and now he's hurt. Kass and his 5 goals has vanished. Foegele at 7 but has had some good chances recently. Could get on a heater, and it would sure help!! Kosko was so good early that I thought I was coasting this one across the line. He is at 17, so I still think he's my best shot at getting one right. Don’t worry Fogs It’s COVID’s fault
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 25, 2022 14:35:47 GMT -7
Welp.....not looking too good. Bouchard is kinda on track for 40, but Keith was not and now he's hurt. Kass and his 5 goals has vanished. Foegele at 7 but has had some good chances recently. Could get on a heater, and it would sure help!! Kosko was so good early that I thought I was coasting this one across the line. He is at 17, so I still think he's my best shot at getting one right. Don’t worry Fogs It’s COVID’s fault Somehow it's all Eberle's fault.
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Post by sharptooth on Feb 25, 2022 14:52:39 GMT -7
Don’t worry Fogs It’s COVID’s fault Somehow it's all Eberle's fault. Changed my mind it’s Justin Schultz fault
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 25, 2022 15:45:41 GMT -7
f'ckin Tambellini.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 26, 2022 8:52:09 GMT -7
You're all missing the obvious. It's all obviously Toby's fault!
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Feb 26, 2022 15:47:55 GMT -7
It's CLEARLY all Cory Cross's fault.
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