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Post by happyhappy on Oct 26, 2021 17:29:49 GMT -7
Getting this GDT up tonight. Feels like forever since we've played. Flyers are rested too. Both teams like to score. Should be a gooder! vs
Keep on keeping on boys! Home team prevails 5-3! GO OILERS GO!!
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 26, 2021 19:20:30 GMT -7
Koss will be rested too so looking good
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Post by fogolin2 on Oct 27, 2021 7:24:08 GMT -7
The Flyers have only played 4 games. Beaten the Bruins and Kraken, lost to the Canucks and Panthers. They haven't played since Saturday, so they'll be rested as well. No Ryan Ellis for them.
I'm looking for a high scoring affair; total goals in Flyers games this season 9-7-9-6.
7-4 for the good guys.
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 27, 2021 7:36:30 GMT -7
Disclaimer: Koss seems to be better on the road and played on the road mostly from my recollection. Past two year prior no fans in the building, let's see how he does with the home crowd.
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Post by drtaf on Oct 27, 2021 8:52:04 GMT -7
Disclaimer: Koss seems to be better on the road and played on the road mostly from my recollection. Past two year prior no fans in the building, let's see how he does with the home crowd. Despite it being his 3rd game in a row, fatigue cant be used as an excuse. I'm really hoping the Flyers continue to be a graveyard for their goalies and not ours, 6-1 for the good guys!!
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Post by windsoroiler on Oct 27, 2021 10:19:58 GMT -7
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Post by drtaf on Oct 27, 2021 11:28:13 GMT -7
Yam still in the "sweet potato" spot eh? hope tipp's patience pays off soon.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Oct 27, 2021 12:41:43 GMT -7
Yam still in the "sweet potato" spot eh? hope tipp's patience pays off soon. If it ain't broke etc. "It" being the teams results so far this season with Yam on the 2nd line. I know the feeling on this board towards Yam, and I understand it, but to remove him at the moment, another line who is doing at worst nothing wrong, and at best excellent, would have to be disturbed...........unless Benson/Sceviour is given an opportunity on the second line and neither have shown that level of ability (not expected from Sceviour but very much delayed from Benson who the club have waited a long time for with precious little results). Leave well alone might be the prudent policy at the moment.
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Post by drtaf on Oct 27, 2021 14:19:37 GMT -7
Yam still in the "sweet potato" spot eh? hope tipp's patience pays off soon. If it ain't broke etc. "It" being the teams results so far this season with Yam on the 2nd line. I know the feeling on this board towards Yam, and I understand it, but to remove him at the moment, another line who is doing at worst nothing wrong, and at best excellent, would have to be disturbed...........unless Benson/Sceviour is given an opportunity on the second line and neither have shown that level of ability (not expected from Sceviour but very much delayed from Benson who the club have waited a long time for with precious little results). Leave well alone might be the prudent policy at the moment. Yeah, there's definitely something to "if it ain't broke" etc., but my mechanic always tells me it's better to fix things like a "squeeky wheel" before it breaks otherwise it'll cost you a lot more in the long run? and before I run out of metaphors, Is Yam a squeeky wheel that should be looked at? the second line is still producing atm, although it's fair to say it aint firing on all cylinders. Could a tune up or a "replacement part" fix that? Do we have the part in house? is Benson, Perlini or turris a fit? do we have to go out and get that part somehow? Whatever the answer, it needs to be fixed before playoffs as we're going to need that 2nd line to be working at 100% capacity and hoping it "goes away" and Yam suddenly finds his mojo, is a risky plan IMO. I agree, we still have some time to fix this, but I haven't been overly "blown away" with the team play despite the 5-0 start. IMO, Some parts are looking very good, but we aint there yet. Finding the right fit with Drai and Nuge would add a significant weapon that would make us very hard to handle for anyone, and right now Yam is a net Negative on that line that significantly reduces its impact
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Post by blackhawk216 on Oct 27, 2021 14:49:29 GMT -7
If it ain't broke etc. "It" being the teams results so far this season with Yam on the 2nd line. I know the feeling on this board towards Yam, and I understand it, but to remove him at the moment, another line who is doing at worst nothing wrong, and at best excellent, would have to be disturbed...........unless Benson/Sceviour is given an opportunity on the second line and neither have shown that level of ability (not expected from Sceviour but very much delayed from Benson who the club have waited a long time for with precious little results). Leave well alone might be the prudent policy at the moment. Yeah, there's definitely something to "if it ain't broke" etc., but my mechanic always tells me it's better to fix things like a "squeeky wheel" before it breaks otherwise it'll cost you a lot more in the long run? and before I run out of metaphors, Is Yam a squeeky wheel that should be looked at? the second line is still producing atm, although it's fair to say it aint firing on all cylinders. Could a tune up or a "replacement part" fix that? Do we have the part in house? is Benson, Perlini or turris a fit? do we have to go out and get that part somehow? Whatever the answer, it needs to be fixed before playoffs as we're going to need that 2nd line to be working at 100% capacity and hoping it "goes away" and Yam suddenly finds his mojo, is a risky plan IMO. I agree, we still have some time to fix this, but I haven't been overly "blown away" with the team play despite the 5-0 start. IMO, Some parts are looking very good, but we aint there yet. Finding the right fit with Drai and Nuge would add a significant weapon that would make us very hard to handle for anyone, and right now Yam is a net Negative on that line that significantly reduces its impact "Leave well alone might be the prudent policy at the moment"........play offs (if we make it) are several months away, no need for unnecessary changes positionally or chemistry wise currently is my point. Please define "Net negative on that line".......Hyman is a net negative also, so is Duncan Keith......should they be replaced also, or should we wait to see if they can also get their mojo back? . I know where you are going with this, Yam has not even got a point yet, but he has drawn quite a few penalties, and if/when we score on one of those Power Plays, he doesn't get an assist does he? If he could be replaced with someone who guarantees more points, fair enough, but the # 1 prospective player would likely be Perlini, and he also is pointless currently, and I don't like the idea of breaking up Perlini/Shore/Turris, and Foegele/Ryan/Kassian should also be untouchable............so what do we do? The least damage chemistry wise would likely to bring in Benson.......and I have not seen any more from him when he plays as is provided by Yam. But it might be worth giving that a go I guess, but then RNH would have to play centre, and Drai RW. This is what will happen whoever replaces Yam internally, you gamble with chemistry, structure and partnerships etc.
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Post by happyhappy on Oct 27, 2021 16:15:30 GMT -7
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Post by sharptooth on Oct 27, 2021 17:39:11 GMT -7
Weird schedule to start the year. 5 days off already. Every game is a late game. Anyways just glad we are playing again. Should be a ring a ding dong dandy tonight. Should be really high scoring looking at both teams stats so that’s why I’m going to say the Oilers win 2-1 in regulation.
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Post by happyhappy on Oct 27, 2021 17:52:52 GMT -7
Weird schedule to start the year. 5 days off already. Every game is a late game. Anyways just glad we are playing again. Should be a ring a ding dong dandy tonight. Should be really high scoring looking at both teams stats so that’s why I’m going to say the Oilers win 2-1 in regulation. Sounds like the team took in a football game and got out for a little night life in Vegas while they were there on the weekend. Well earned R n R before returning home and getting a couple practices in. After tonight's game we wait to play our 2nd and last game of the week on Saturday, ugh. November the schedule picks up with 13 games in 27 days and 8 of those games are on the road including 2 back-to-backs.
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Post by sharptooth on Oct 27, 2021 18:27:41 GMT -7
Weird schedule to start the year. 5 days off already. Every game is a late game. Anyways just glad we are playing again. Should be a ring a ding dong dandy tonight. Should be really high scoring looking at both teams stats so that’s why I’m going to say the Oilers win 2-1 in regulation. Sounds like the team took in a football game and got out for a little night life in Vegas while they were there on the weekend. Well earned R n R before returning home and getting a couple practices in. After tonight's game we wait to play our 2nd and last game of the week on Saturday, ugh. November the schedule picks up with 13 games in 27 days and 8 of those games are on the road including 2 back-to-backs. lotsa days between games so far. November will be fun!!
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Post by drtaf on Oct 27, 2021 18:36:57 GMT -7
Yeah, there's definitely something to "if it ain't broke" etc., but my mechanic always tells me it's better to fix things like a "squeeky wheel" before it breaks otherwise it'll cost you a lot more in the long run? and before I run out of metaphors, Is Yam a squeeky wheel that should be looked at? the second line is still producing atm, although it's fair to say it aint firing on all cylinders. Could a tune up or a "replacement part" fix that? Do we have the part in house? is Benson, Perlini or turris a fit? do we have to go out and get that part somehow? Whatever the answer, it needs to be fixed before playoffs as we're going to need that 2nd line to be working at 100% capacity and hoping it "goes away" and Yam suddenly finds his mojo, is a risky plan IMO. I agree, we still have some time to fix this, but I haven't been overly "blown away" with the team play despite the 5-0 start. IMO, Some parts are looking very good, but we aint there yet. Finding the right fit with Drai and Nuge would add a significant weapon that would make us very hard to handle for anyone, and right now Yam is a net Negative on that line that significantly reduces its impact "Leave well alone might be the prudent policy at the moment"........play offs (if we make it) are several months away, no need for unnecessary changes positionally or chemistry wise currently is my point. Please define "Net negative on that line".......Hyman is a net negative also, so is Duncan Keith......should they be replaced also, or should we wait to see if they can also get their mojo back? . I know where you are going with this, Yam has not even got a point yet, but he has drawn quite a few penalties, and if/when we score on one of those Power Plays, he doesn't get an assist does he? If he could be replaced with someone who guarantees more points, fair enough, but the # 1 prospective player would likely be Perlini, and he also is pointless currently, and I don't like the idea of breaking up Perlini/Shore/Turris, and Foegele/Ryan/Kassian should also be untouchable............so what do we do? The least damage chemistry wise would likely to bring in Benson.......and I have not seen any more from him when he plays as is provided by Yam. But it might be worth giving that a go I guess, but then RNH would have to play centre, and Drai RW. This is what will happen whoever replaces Yam internally, you gamble with chemistry, structure and partnerships etc. I actually wasn’t think +- Hawk, I was meaning his overall contribution to that line. It’s really hard to compare situations with the other wingers who haven’t had prime time mins with Drai and Nuge but yeah there’s no guarantee they’d be any better or worse than Yam. I just don’t think there’s any harm in trying perlini turris, McLeod or Benson in that prime spot to see if they can find chemistry and since all those guys are 4th line or lower, I don’t think it messes with chemistry much. The only problem really, is what do you do with yam? Sit him? Stick him on 4th line? He’s quickly playing himself into being a square peg when we need a round one
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Post by pillotte on Oct 28, 2021 8:59:30 GMT -7
"Leave well alone might be the prudent policy at the moment"........play offs (if we make it) are several months away, no need for unnecessary changes positionally or chemistry wise currently is my point. Please define "Net negative on that line".......Hyman is a net negative also, so is Duncan Keith......should they be replaced also, or should we wait to see if they can also get their mojo back? . I know where you are going with this, Yam has not even got a point yet, but he has drawn quite a few penalties, and if/when we score on one of those Power Plays, he doesn't get an assist does he? If he could be replaced with someone who guarantees more points, fair enough, but the # 1 prospective player would likely be Perlini, and he also is pointless currently, and I don't like the idea of breaking up Perlini/Shore/Turris, and Foegele/Ryan/Kassian should also be untouchable............so what do we do? The least damage chemistry wise would likely to bring in Benson.......and I have not seen any more from him when he plays as is provided by Yam. But it might be worth giving that a go I guess, but then RNH would have to play centre, and Drai RW. This is what will happen whoever replaces Yam internally, you gamble with chemistry, structure and partnerships etc. I actually wasn’t think +- Hawk, I was meaning his overall contribution to that line. It’s really hard to compare situations with the other wingers who haven’t had prime time mins with Drai and Nuge but yeah there’s no guarantee they’d be any better or worse than Yam. I just don’t think there’s any harm in trying perlini turris, McLeod or Benson in that prime spot to see if they can find chemistry and since all those guys are 4th line or lower, I don’t think it messes with chemistry much. The only problem really, is what do you do with yam? Sit him? Stick him on 4th line? He’s quickly playing himself into being a square peg when we need a round one I thought Yam had a better game last night and just MAYBE coming out of his funk. I really wasn't too upset at the loss for a couple of reasons a) wasn't a division or conference game and b) they had to lose sooner or later. The puck wasn't bouncing for us nor were we really sharp around their net. How many times have we seen McD miss or PJ miss from that range. It just wasn't our night. Philly did have some great bounces. Now we have the Nucks and then back home for 3.
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Post by drtaf on Oct 28, 2021 10:14:29 GMT -7
I actually wasn’t think +- Hawk, I was meaning his overall contribution to that line. It’s really hard to compare situations with the other wingers who haven’t had prime time mins with Drai and Nuge but yeah there’s no guarantee they’d be any better or worse than Yam. I just don’t think there’s any harm in trying perlini turris, McLeod or Benson in that prime spot to see if they can find chemistry and since all those guys are 4th line or lower, I don’t think it messes with chemistry much. The only problem really, is what do you do with yam? Sit him? Stick him on 4th line? He’s quickly playing himself into being a square peg when we need a round one I thought Yam had a better game last night and just MAYBE coming out of his funk. I really wasn't too upset at the loss for a couple of reasons a) wasn't a division or conference game and b) they had to lose sooner or later. The puck wasn't bouncing for us nor were we really sharp around their net. How many times have we seen McD miss or PJ miss from that range. It just wasn't our night. Philly did have some great bounces. Now we have the Nucks and then back home for 3. I pretty much agree with all of your game assessment pillotte, except your eval of Yam (surprise LOL)! He had some good shifts on the pk but if that's all he's good for then maybe we should try him on the 4th line? Drai and Nuge continue to rack up points, but its no coincidence that they do this when Yam is not on the ice with them? Drai in particular is starting to look frustrated and I feel his increasingly desperate attempts at trying those impossible "cross ice through 4-defenders' sticks" pass, is more a product of Yam failing to be open for the pass, or lack of him going to the net. The 1st line created a dozen good scoring chances last night (JP should have had a hattie), but the only time Drai and nuge looked dangerous is when they were with other linemates. Yam did have one glorious chance which incidently arose from him going to the net and drai finding him, but he buried it into Hart's crest. If he did a lot more of this then the odds are the goals and points will come, but for some reason he's become very reluctant to do so (T eluded to why he might be reluctant). I like yam and as someone whose 5ft8', i always root for the little guy ;-), but my patience has run out with him and at this point I dont see how he benefits this team anymore. maybe he needs a trade to wake him up and realise what got him a chance at top 6 mins in first place but AFAIC, I just dont think that epiphany will happen here. as always, I hope i'm wrong.
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Post by igibb on Oct 28, 2021 12:09:22 GMT -7
I hate to be a negative Nancy but this team has been riding unsustainable goaltending and power play stats to get off to the start they have. They have done a fantastic job of getting everything they could out of it up to this point but if they do not fix their defensive game we are going to see a lot more nights like last night.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Oct 28, 2021 12:46:13 GMT -7
I hate to be a negative Nancy but this team has been riding unsustainable goaltending and power play stats to get off to the start they have. They have done a fantastic job of getting everything they could out of it up to this point but if they do not fix their defensive game we are going to see a lot more nights like last night. One of the "arts" of the hockey game for me is to more often than not, have at least as many players (preferably more) around or in the vicinity of the puck no matter which end of the ice said puck is. Too often v Philly, there appeared to be more of their players around or in the vicinity of the puck than ours. This is not a new phenomenon, but perhaps more prominent last night than usual. Solution........simple, our players have to work harder when we don't have the puck, and just as hard when we do. Having written all that, the real difference last night was the way the Philly goalie played, and (sorry to report again) the way our goaltender played. Solution.....again it is simple, our goalie has to play better..........no excuses this time around about him playing too much, or not playing enough, or his family is in Europe, blah blah blah.................just play better Mikko!
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Post by igibb on Oct 28, 2021 12:55:19 GMT -7
I hate to be a negative Nancy but this team has been riding unsustainable goaltending and power play stats to get off to the start they have. They have done a fantastic job of getting everything they could out of it up to this point but if they do not fix their defensive game we are going to see a lot more nights like last night. One of the "arts" of the hockey game for me is to more often than not, have at least as many players (preferably more) around or in the vicinity of the puck no matter which end of the ice said puck is. Too often v Philly, there appeared to be more of their players around or in the vicinity of the puck than ours. This is not a new phenomenon, but perhaps more prominent last night than usual. Solution........simple, our players have to work harder when we don't have the puck, and just as hard when we do. Having written all that, the real difference last night was the way the Philly goalie played, and (sorry to report again) the way our goaltender played. Solution.....again it is simple, our goalie has to play better..........no excuses this time around about him playing too much, or not playing enough, or his family is in Europe, blah blah blah.................just play better Mikko! He was also a big part of the reason we won our last 3 games when this team showed it's inability to defend. We are the worst team in the league for shots allowed 5 on 5. That is a recipe for disaster. Mikko wasn't good last night but he and Smith are the reason this team is 5 and 1 and not 3 and 3.
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