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Post by SuperDave17 on Jan 21, 2021 2:00:22 GMT -7
I think we can get by this year, but a championship-caliber defense this is not.
Klefbom was a good all-around dman for us. Yes, and I'm sorry, but I'm treating him as having his career effectively ended by his tragic medical circumstances. Maybe he can mentor our upcoming youngins' in some capacity?
I used to be a really big fan of Nurse. I was really hoping he'd bring that Chara-Pronger kind of nastiness along with an all-around game for us. And I was out of my chair cheering when he dropped the gloves for his mates. But he just can't seem to take the next step. There comes a point where a player is just what he is, and you can't expect some sudden upsurge that isn't there. I would be fine with where he is. But he's making money that's too much to call a bridge, and I suspect not as much as he wants long-term. Sorry, but he's not showing enough to secure that kind of deal. I hope Ken sees it too.
How I wish we could get back the Adam we had in 2017. But that's a pipe dream.
Caleb, I thought there was something there, but I'm losing hope there too.
Bear is the one that I still believe has room to grow, and can become that dependable all around righty that all teams covet. I say keep him.
I'm convinced we need to hold the fort and wait for Broberg, Bouchard and Samaroukov to become ready. Question is, how long will they need? Another year? Two more years?
I dream of a dcore like this, two equal top pairings that you can't truly call 1st and 2nd pairings, but a solid two-way top 4 that gets it done:
Samaroukov - Bouchard. It has sometimes been suggested that Samaroukov, with the rock-solid game he's been showing in the KHL, might actually be the better partner for Bouchard than Broberg. Would give Bouchard the freedom to put his offensive and transition talents to use.
Broberg - Bear. Broberg brings the skating transition game, and Bear the solid outlet passing transition.
Bottom pairing ...
Lagesson and Kesselring?
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 21, 2021 7:02:59 GMT -7
I agree with most of your assessment. I’m just not calling Klefbom’s career just yet. He wants to play again. So, until he says he’s finished.. I still believe he’ll come back.
As for the rest, I agree. I was hoping the exact same for Nurse, but he seems to have plateaued. People will say he’s still young, but he’s turning 26 in 15 days. He’s no longer a “kid.” If he plays every game this season he’ll have played more than 400 regular season games. Maybe he can make that jump this season. Here’s hoping.
I feel the same way about Jones. I see him as a #7 at best right now. BUT he is still 23. I’ll give him a couple years before I make final judgement.
I don’t think Samorukov will make it to a top 4 role. I think he has a shot at the NHL, but not 1 or 2 LD. Maybe 3LD.
Broberg-Bear
Klefbom-Bouchard
Samorukov-XXXXX
Jones
That last spot can be filled with a bruiser type Dman or we can keep Koekkoek in that spot. I haven’t been unhappy with him so far.
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Post by neufab94 on Jan 21, 2021 10:12:15 GMT -7
Klefbom has missed a lot of time throughout his career having only 1 82 game season in 16/17. I like Klefbom and hope he returns but I plan as though he is not.
I am not a fan Larsson because he is not effective and punishing enough to be a shut down guy and his shot is slightly above useless nor is he a great puck mover. Not sure what happened here but he is somewhere in no-mans-land so at this point I would rather see a Broberg or Bouchard slot into his place as soon as this season if they are able to show up with a hunger and desire to prove themselves. I say trade Larsson.
I am not giving up on Nurse because 26 is still young for a defenseman, example - Giordano, Jeff Petry. I worry more that he has been coached to settle down and I hope someone pisses him off to ignite his fury.
Defense is questionable at any rate so even this year, the pairs bellow I trust as much as what we have seen on the ice.
Nurse - Barrie
Jones - Bear
Koekkoek - Bouchard
Russell
At any rate, the expansion draft could end up helping this team with the right person exiting.
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Post by drtaf on Jan 21, 2021 10:29:30 GMT -7
A good realistic take on the D and i'd go a bit further and say Koekkoek has been a pleasant surprise and has made the biggest impact of all the off season additions (not sure where we'd be without him TBH, which is really scary because i know on a good team he'd top out as a decent 3rd pair). I'm getting repetitive, but we still need a Mr. Nasty in our D mix that really makes other teams forwards pay to be anywhere near the blue paint and Nurse should have been that guy but hasnt risen to the challenge. Larsson was kind of that guy for the first 2 seasons here, but that guy has disappeared. we have some good talent coming up but no one that fits this description and until we get someone like that then our d will always be unbalanced and prone to be taken advantage of (just my 2 cents).
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 21, 2021 13:15:40 GMT -7
A good realistic take on the D and i'd go a bit further and say Koekkoek has been a pleasant surprise and has made the biggest impact of all the off season additions (not sure where we'd be without him TBH, which is really scary because i know on a good team he'd top out as a decent 3rd pair). I'm getting repetitive, but we still need a Mr. Nasty in our D mix that really makes other teams forwards pay to be anywhere near the blue paint and Nurse should have been that guy but hasnt risen to the challenge. Larsson was kind of that guy for the first 2 seasons here, but that guy has disappeared. we have some good talent coming up but no one that fits this description and until we get someone like that then our d will always be unbalanced and prone to be taken advantage of (just my 2 cents). Some cap relief coming next season, however, we need a scoring winger for you know who, a goalie without holes in his set up, and the much mentioned Mr Nasty defender.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 21, 2021 13:31:28 GMT -7
Klefbom has missed a lot of time throughout his career having only 1 82 game season in 16/17. I like Klefbom and hope he returns but I plan as though he is not. I am not a fan Larsson because he is not effective and punishing enough to be a shut down guy and his shot is slightly above useless nor is he a great puck mover. Not sure what happened here but he is somewhere in no-mans-land so at this point I would rather see a Broberg or Bouchard slot into his place as soon as this season if they are able to show up with a hunger and desire to prove themselves. I say trade Larsson. I am not giving up on Nurse because 26 is still young for a defenseman, example - Giordano, Jeff Petry. I worry more that he has been coached to settle down and I hope someone pisses him off to ignite his fury. Defense is questionable at any rate so even this year, the pairs bellow I trust as much as what we have seen on the ice. Nurse - Barrie Jones - Bear Koekkoek - Bouchard Russell At any rate, the expansion draft could end up helping this team with the right person exiting. Petry did well after he left us because he was put in a role more suited to him, then he grew into the Dman he is now. Unless the load is taken off Nurse, he’s not gonna develop properly. Gio is a very very rare circumstance, he was what? 30-31 when he broke out? There’s always examples of late bloomers. Doesn’t mean we should keep every player until they’re in their late 20s to early 30s before moving on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by neufab94 on Jan 21, 2021 14:17:16 GMT -7
Klefbom has missed a lot of time throughout his career having only 1 82 game season in 16/17. I like Klefbom and hope he returns but I plan as though he is not. I am not a fan Larsson because he is not effective and punishing enough to be a shut down guy and his shot is slightly above useless nor is he a great puck mover. Not sure what happened here but he is somewhere in no-mans-land so at this point I would rather see a Broberg or Bouchard slot into his place as soon as this season if they are able to show up with a hunger and desire to prove themselves. I say trade Larsson. I am not giving up on Nurse because 26 is still young for a defenseman, example - Giordano, Jeff Petry. I worry more that he has been coached to settle down and I hope someone pisses him off to ignite his fury. Defense is questionable at any rate so even this year, the pairs bellow I trust as much as what we have seen on the ice. Nurse - Barrie Jones - Bear Koekkoek - Bouchard Russell At any rate, the expansion draft could end up helping this team with the right person exiting. Petry did well after he left us because he was put in a role more suited to him, then he grew into the Dman he is now. Unless the load is taken off Nurse, he’s not gonna develop properly. Gio is a very very rare circumstance, he was what? 30-31 when he broke out? There’s always examples of late bloomers. Doesn’t mean we should keep every player until they’re in their late 20s to early 30s before moving on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Granted the Gio situation is rare, at the same time, it is also rare for a Dman to flourish early except for the early 1st round picks that the Oilers didn't seem interested in drafting in favor of stock piling forwards (Bouchard and Broberg exceptions). Right now the Nurse contract term length is where it needs to be. As it stands he is one of the Oilers best dmen and he benefits from having Klefbom in the lineup to take some of the pressure off. Other teams seem to have players that rise to the occasion so at some point we will see an Oiler defender do that, just as Yamamoto did as a forward. Maybe it's Nurse, maybe it's someone else. I confess that I had been calling for Yamamoto to be traded only months before he proved me wrong so I am glad they stuck with it. If by the time Nurse's contract is nearing its end (by trade deadline next season) and he is playing too soft but wants lots of money then likely he and the Oilers part ways. He is listed at $5.6 now so I do have a high expectation of Nurse, which he has not been showing the first few games this year. His showing vs. the flamers will tell me more. As it stands, he is a key dman that I hope will bring some nasty when it's needed most. I still think that he can be that guy I hoped he would be. Larsson on the other hand I have given up on. As for Broberg and Bouchard, I think at least one of them should see NHL time this season.
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Post by toley on Jan 21, 2021 14:38:55 GMT -7
I agree with most of your assessment. I’m just not calling Klefbom’s career just yet. He wants to play again. So, until he says he’s finished.. I still believe he’ll come back. As for the rest, I agree. I was hoping the exact same for Nurse, but he seems to have plateaued. People will say he’s still young, but he’s turning 26 in 15 days. He’s no longer a “kid.” If he plays every game this season he’ll have played more than 400 regular season games. Maybe he can make that jump this season. Here’s hoping. I feel the same way about Jones. I see him as a #7 at best right now. BUT he is still 23. I’ll give him a couple years before I make final judgement. I don’t think Samorukov will make it to a top 4 role. I think he has a shot at the NHL, but not 1 or 2 LD. Maybe 3LD. Broberg-Bear Klefbom-Bouchard Samorukov-XXXXX Jones That last spot can be filled with a bruiser type Dman or we can keep Koekkoek in that spot. I haven’t been unhappy with him so far. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Samorukov plays the right side, shoots Left but plays the right. |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 21, 2021 17:11:13 GMT -7
I agree with most of your assessment. I’m just not calling Klefbom’s career just yet. He wants to play again. So, until he says he’s finished.. I still believe he’ll come back. As for the rest, I agree. I was hoping the exact same for Nurse, but he seems to have plateaued. People will say he’s still young, but he’s turning 26 in 15 days. He’s no longer a “kid.” If he plays every game this season he’ll have played more than 400 regular season games. Maybe he can make that jump this season. Here’s hoping. I feel the same way about Jones. I see him as a #7 at best right now. BUT he is still 23. I’ll give him a couple years before I make final judgement. I don’t think Samorukov will make it to a top 4 role. I think he has a shot at the NHL, but not 1 or 2 LD. Maybe 3LD. Broberg-Bear Klefbom-Bouchard Samorukov-XXXXX Jones That last spot can be filled with a bruiser type Dman or we can keep Koekkoek in that spot. I haven’t been unhappy with him so far. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Samorukov plays the right side, shoots Left but plays the right. You sure? Cause I watched a couple Condors games last season and I’m 99% sure he was playing left defense while Logan Day was on his right. I know in the KHL he plays on the right, but I’m pretty sure he was playing left in Bakersfield. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 21, 2021 17:22:16 GMT -7
Petry did well after he left us because he was put in a role more suited to him, then he grew into the Dman he is now. Unless the load is taken off Nurse, he’s not gonna develop properly. Gio is a very very rare circumstance, he was what? 30-31 when he broke out? There’s always examples of late bloomers. Doesn’t mean we should keep every player until they’re in their late 20s to early 30s before moving on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Granted the Gio situation is rare, at the same time, it is also rare for a Dman to flourish early except for the early 1st round picks that the Oilers didn't seem interested in drafting in favor of stock piling forwards (Bouchard and Broberg exceptions). Right now the Nurse contract term length is where it needs to be. As it stands he is one of the Oilers best dmen and he benefits from having Klefbom in the lineup to take some of the pressure off. Other teams seem to have players that rise to the occasion so at some point we will see an Oiler defender do that, just as Yamamoto did as a forward. Maybe it's Nurse, maybe it's someone else. I confess that I had been calling for Yamamoto to be traded only months before he proved me wrong so I am glad they stuck with it. If by the time Nurse's contract is nearing its end (by trade deadline next season) and he is playing too soft but wants lots of money then likely he and the Oilers part ways. He is listed at $5.6 now so I do have a high expectation of Nurse, which he has not been showing the first few games this year. His showing vs. the flamers will tell me more. As it stands, he is a key dman that I hope will bring some nasty when it's needed most. I still think that he can be that guy I hoped he would be. Larsson on the other hand I have given up on. As for Broberg and Bouchard, I think at least one of them should see NHL time this season. Well Broberg is back in Sweden, so if it’s anyone it’ll be Bouch. I really hope he does get time. I don’t see it hurting us at all. Back to Nurse, he was drafted higher than both Bouch and Broberg. I just feel that him coming up to 400 games played, he should be further along in his development. If he stays he same, he’ll be grossly overpaid. I don’t think he should be making more than Klefbom. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by toley on Jan 21, 2021 17:31:55 GMT -7
Samorukov plays the right side, shoots Left but plays the right. You sure? Cause I watched a couple Condors games last season and I’m 99% sure he was playing left defense while Logan Day was on his right. I know in the KHL he plays on the right, but I’m pretty sure he was playing left in Bakersfield. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I guess he can play both. Yeah I was referring to the side he's playing in the K. |
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Post by drtaf on Jan 22, 2021 9:39:39 GMT -7
Granted the Gio situation is rare, at the same time, it is also rare for a Dman to flourish early except for the early 1st round picks that the Oilers didn't seem interested in drafting in favor of stock piling forwards (Bouchard and Broberg exceptions). Right now the Nurse contract term length is where it needs to be. As it stands he is one of the Oilers best dmen and he benefits from having Klefbom in the lineup to take some of the pressure off. Other teams seem to have players that rise to the occasion so at some point we will see an Oiler defender do that, just as Yamamoto did as a forward. Maybe it's Nurse, maybe it's someone else. I confess that I had been calling for Yamamoto to be traded only months before he proved me wrong so I am glad they stuck with it. If by the time Nurse's contract is nearing its end (by trade deadline next season) and he is playing too soft but wants lots of money then likely he and the Oilers part ways. He is listed at $5.6 now so I do have a high expectation of Nurse, which he has not been showing the first few games this year. His showing vs. the flamers will tell me more. As it stands, he is a key dman that I hope will bring some nasty when it's needed most. I still think that he can be that guy I hoped he would be. Larsson on the other hand I have given up on. As for Broberg and Bouchard, I think at least one of them should see NHL time this season. Well Broberg is back in Sweden, so if it’s anyone it’ll be Bouch. I really hope he does get time. I don’t see it hurting us at all. Back to Nurse, he was drafted higher than both Bouch and Broberg. I just feel that him coming up to 400 games played, he should be further along in his development. If he stays he same, he’ll be grossly overpaid. I don’t think he should be making more than Klefbom. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nurse has become a bit of an enigma, but the parallels to him and Petry are getting to be a bit scary. Nurse atm is not a 1st pair D and too much expectation has been put on him, especially with Klefbom out now. I can also see him thrive and develop into a 1st pair with someone else if we ship him out because he wants too much money. That would really suck. It would be great to try and bring in a proper 1st line D at the end of the season before we give up on nurse because i think he'd benefit and the whole D could drop down into their more natural slots, then we'll know what we really have with all of our D and make moves accordingly
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Post by mrtea on Jan 22, 2021 14:32:54 GMT -7
Well Broberg is back in Sweden, so if it’s anyone it’ll be Bouch. I really hope he does get time. I don’t see it hurting us at all. Back to Nurse, he was drafted higher than both Bouch and Broberg. I just feel that him coming up to 400 games played, he should be further along in his development. If he stays he same, he’ll be grossly overpaid. I don’t think he should be making more than Klefbom. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It would be great to try and bring in a proper 1st line D at the end of the season before we give up on nurse because i think he'd benefit and the whole D could drop down into their more natural slots, then we'll know what we really have with all of our D and make moves accordingly A proper #1 D has been the Oilers biggest hole since Pronger left, and I've been vocal about it since then. I believe our GM is aware of this deficit and wants to correct it, but because of the salary cap and our cap situation, Holland has been unable to do anything immediate other than drafting good D prospects. I've been eagerly anticipating the development of Bouchard to see what he can bring to the club, but so far we're still waiting. I would love to see him brought up and given some games to see if he can continue to develop in the NHL in a sheltered role to start and slowly move up to bigger assignments.
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Post by drtaf on Jan 23, 2021 11:09:33 GMT -7
The oilers D is an absolute Mangiapane show ATM, I'm not sure its the right environment to bring a rookie into? It would be unfair to expect him to improve it, but on other hand we dont have very many options other than plugging in another #7-8 D-men that almost certainly wont help it?
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Post by mrtea on Jan 23, 2021 13:05:02 GMT -7
The oilers D is an absolute Monahan show ATM, I'm not sure its the right environment to bring a rookie into? It would be unfair to expect him to improve it, but on other hand we dont have very many options other than plugging in another #7-8 D-men that almost certainly wont help it? I agree it is not the ideal environment to bring in a rookie D with no #1 at the top to help guide the rookie. What are our other options? Do we wait 2-3 more years until we have an improved D for him to marinate in? Bouchard has been improving at every level he has played at. I say give him some games to see how he handles the NHL pace. If he is overwhelmed we can always send him back down for more development. I think Bouchard will do better than expected when given the chance. One thing that is constantly said about him is that he doesn't panic, some games we could use some of that because I've seen our D running around in our own end too many times already in the new season. Some say Bouchard does not show enough urgency at times, I say let's see for ourselves how he does. We can always send him back down if he can't handle the pace.
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Post by yuke on Jan 23, 2021 14:07:40 GMT -7
Bouchard was not drafted to be the defensive specialist Larsson is supposed to be. If he comes in, Bear or Barrie comes out.
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Post by neufab94 on Jan 23, 2021 14:14:08 GMT -7
The oilers D is an absolute Monahan show ATM, I'm not sure its the right environment to bring a rookie into? It would be unfair to expect him to improve it, but on other hand we dont have very many options other than plugging in another #7-8 D-men that almost certainly wont help it? I agree it is not the ideal environment to bring in a rookie D with no #1 at the top to help guide the rookie. What are our other options? Do we wait 2-3 more years until we have an improved D for him to marinate in? Bouchard has been improving at every level he has played at. I say give him some games to see how he handles the NHL pace. If he is overwhelmed we can always send him back down for more development. I think Bouchard will do better than expected when given the chance. One thing that is constantly said about him is that he doesn't panic, some games we could use some of that because I've seen our D running around in our own end too many times already in the new season. Some say Bouchard does not show enough urgency at times, I say let's see for ourselves how he does. We can always send him back down if he can't handle the pace. This is the catch 22 with the Oilers in that there will not be a #1 to guide a rookie since the best bet to acquire one is that same rookie. At some point one of our young guys will have the self determination and bust into the league like a Hughes or Chabot. To be a true number 1 isn't that what you would expect? Some guy to say, Kuzmenko it, I will do this!
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Post by oilyfan on Jan 29, 2021 18:15:48 GMT -7
Klefbom has missed a lot of time throughout his career having only 1 82 game season in 16/17. I like Klefbom and hope he returns but I plan as though he is not. I am not a fan Larsson because he is not effective and punishing enough to be a shut down guy and his shot is slightly above useless nor is he a great puck mover. Not sure what happened here but he is somewhere in no-mans-land so at this point I would rather see a Broberg or Bouchard slot into his place as soon as this season if they are able to show up with a hunger and desire to prove themselves. I say trade Larsson. I am not giving up on Nurse because 26 is still young for a defenseman, example - Giordano, Jeff Petry. I worry more that he has been coached to settle down and I hope someone pisses him off to ignite his fury. Defense is questionable at any rate so even this year, the pairs bellow I trust as much as what we have seen on the ice. Nurse - Barrie Jones - Bear Koekkoek - Bouchard Russell At any rate, the expansion draft could end up helping this team with the right person exiting. Petry did well after he left us because he was put in a role more suited to him, then he grew into the Dman he is now. Unless the load is taken off Nurse, he’s not gonna develop properly. Gio is a very very rare circumstance, he was what? 30-31 when he broke out? There’s always examples of late bloomers. Doesn’t mean we should keep every player until they’re in their late 20s to early 30s before moving on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree with your take on Nurse. He's been disappointing this year, but he's also been elevated to the number 1 role. The other night against WPG, in an non-OT game, he played almost 29 minutes. That's too much for him. Maybe, maybe, when he's 29 or 30 he can become that guy like Gio did, maybe. But right now, his role is perfect as second pairing Dman, playing 19 to 21 minutes a night with only about a 1/3 of that time max against the Matthews/Marners of the world. He's being (no choice btw) missued right now and we are seeing the results. I could see him leaving because of an impending Cap issue (traded or just going away as a UFA) and becoming a stud #3, second pairing dman somewhere making around 6.5M a year. And we will all be lamenting letting him go as we'll conveniently forget the circumstances he was playing in. I hope there's another good young stud dman we draft this year. Oh, speaking of, I see Ty Smith is doing well, really well, in New Jersey so far. That's the guy that was on top of our list - but we went with Bouchard, who yet has to play a regular season NHL game since his 7 game trial the year we drafted him. Of course, that doesn't mean if we did go with Smith, he'd be on the roster now playing like he is in Jersey, different circumstances. I just find it kind of ironic.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 29, 2021 18:37:36 GMT -7
Petry did well after he left us because he was put in a role more suited to him, then he grew into the Dman he is now. Unless the load is taken off Nurse, he’s not gonna develop properly. Gio is a very very rare circumstance, he was what? 30-31 when he broke out? There’s always examples of late bloomers. Doesn’t mean we should keep every player until they’re in their late 20s to early 30s before moving on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree with your take on Nurse. He's been disappointing this year, but he's also been elevated to the number 1 role. The other night against WPG, in an non-OT game, he played almost 29 minutes. That's too much for him. Maybe, maybe, when he's 29 or 30 he can become that guy like Gio did, maybe. But right now, his role is perfect as second pairing Dman, playing 19 to 21 minutes a night with only about a 1/3 of that time max against the Matthews/Marners of the world. He's being (no choice btw) missued right now and we are seeing the results. I could see him leaving because of an impending Cap issue (traded or just going away as a UFA) and becoming a stud #3, second pairing dman somewhere making around 6.5M a year. And we will all be lamenting letting him go as we'll conveniently forget the circumstances he was playing in. I hope there's another good young stud dman we draft this year. Oh, speaking of, I see Ty Smith is doing well, really well, in New Jersey so far. That's the guy that was on top of our list - but we went with Bouchard, who yet has to play a regular season NHL game since his 7 game trial the year we drafted him. Of course, that doesn't mean if we did go with Smith, he'd be on the roster now playing like he is in Jersey, different circumstances. I just find it kind of ironic. Nurse should be playing 19-22 minutes making 3.5M per year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by oilyfan on Jan 29, 2021 20:05:23 GMT -7
I agree with your take on Nurse. He's been disappointing this year, but he's also been elevated to the number 1 role. The other night against WPG, in an non-OT game, he played almost 29 minutes. That's too much for him. Maybe, maybe, when he's 29 or 30 he can become that guy like Gio did, maybe. But right now, his role is perfect as second pairing Dman, playing 19 to 21 minutes a night with only about a 1/3 of that time max against the Matthews/Marners of the world. He's being (no choice btw) missued right now and we are seeing the results. I could see him leaving because of an impending Cap issue (traded or just going away as a UFA) and becoming a stud #3, second pairing dman somewhere making around 6.5M a year. And we will all be lamenting letting him go as we'll conveniently forget the circumstances he was playing in. I hope there's another good young stud dman we draft this year. Oh, speaking of, I see Ty Smith is doing well, really well, in New Jersey so far. That's the guy that was on top of our list - but we went with Bouchard, who yet has to play a regular season NHL game since his 7 game trial the year we drafted him. Of course, that doesn't mean if we did go with Smith, he'd be on the roster now playing like he is in Jersey, different circumstances. I just find it kind of ironic. Nurse should be playing 19-22 minutes making 3.5M per year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah but that's not the going rate. He's at 5.6M right now, and if he was the 20 Minute 2nd pairing guy, he'd be about right - a bit on the heavy side of a contract but something you could live with. I also agree he shouldn't be making more than Klef, but that was a real sweet deal that Chia did with him. I still remember thinking what a bargain that was when he first signed it, nevermind now that he is undoubtedly our #1 dman. I'm pretty sure we'll trade him in the off season (Nurse) IF Klef is set to return. Nurse will want more than 5.6 on a longer term deal, and if he got it, then Klef would be in line for an even bigger bump. Both would then be severely overpaid as even though Klef is our #1 guy, he's not anywhere near a Hedman.
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