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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 16, 2021 18:25:08 GMT -7
Apparently Top Shelf Hockey is reporting that the Oilers and Sabres are talking a Hall trade, and they are saying it comes from a reliable source namely Scott Burnside. Now I wasn't entirely convinced beforehand, but after listening to the spiel, it seem more and more to me that this is nothing more than blowing smoke up our butts. Apparently the Oilers are trying to send James Neal and a sweetener over to Buffalo for Taylor Hall. Unless Buffalo is going into full tank mode with the intention of giving Neal one year and then buying him out I can't see why they would even entertain this notion. Furthermore, the Oilers would still need to find some cap room to fit him.
Is this possible? absolutely. Is it probable, no freaking way IMO.
I've embedded the video at the correct time to hear about the Hall rumor, but if you want to watch the entire video just rewind it to the beginning.
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Post by igibb on Mar 16, 2021 18:41:07 GMT -7
Seems unlikely. Even getting rid of Neal's contact (and as you said why in the world would they want another bad contract when they have possibly the worst contract in the league already) where do we come up with another $2.25 million in cap space?
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 16, 2021 18:52:51 GMT -7
Seems unlikely. Even getting rid of Neal's contact (and as you said why in the world would they want another bad contract when they have possibly the worst contract in the league already) where do we come up with another $2.25 million in cap space? we do have 2.7 in our salary pool from LTIR cap relief, but even then I can't see it. Unless they are looking at moving another contract out (which could explain the Stalock waiver claim). RNH not being signed and Koskinens bad year both come to mind as contracts to move out... but man I still can't see it happening, this seems to be an impossibility almost.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 16, 2021 19:36:54 GMT -7
He just got a puck in the face by a slap shot. Leaking from the mouth.
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Post by igibb on Mar 16, 2021 19:41:18 GMT -7
Seems unlikely. Even getting rid of Neal's contact (and as you said why in the world would they want another bad contract when they have possibly the worst contract in the league already) where do we come up with another $2.25 million in cap space? we do have 2.7 in our salary pool from LTIR cap relief, but even then I can't see it. Unless they are looking at moving another contract out (which could explain the Stalock waiver claim). RNH not being signed and Koskinens bad year both come to mind as contracts to move out... but man I still can't see it happening, this seems to be an impossibility almost. I am pretty sure that extra space showing includes Kassian and Koekkoek's LTIR's at the moment and will disappear when/if they come back. Holland said we had zero cap space and needed to do dollar in dollar out for any trades.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 20:14:30 GMT -7
but I thought Holloway was coming to save the day? Hall has had an awful year in Buffalo and not scoring but making plays.. I always liked Hall but my question would be does adding this player help us? I suppose it never hurts to have additional offense and I imagine he would start scoring here.
Is our goaltending good enough? What is coming available in the league?
I look at our team and we have some small skilled players.. I know speed is important but I think this team lacks size especially for the Playoffs. I thought Last years playoffs that the Hawks looked faster, Passed better and out worked us.
This season against teams other then Ottawa, I think the opposition can match or effort and uses our size against us to lean on us...we don't seem to be able to have that push back physically where we can lean back.
I seen this in Toronto and the flames games...I imagine it will get worse come playoff time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 20:17:28 GMT -7
Blackhawks are open for business and willing to take a bad contract and willing to work three team deals it was reported...I guess it comes down to what do you have to give up to move a bad contract and what do you give up to get a player you want? Neal and something to the Hawks, Koskinen and something to Buffalo for Hall and ? what do we do with Turris? thehockeywriters.com/oilers-could-target-blackhawks-to-dump-bad-contracts/ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 20:27:19 GMT -7
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 16, 2021 21:19:20 GMT -7
Yeah I just saw that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 16, 2021 21:22:20 GMT -7
Seems unlikely. Even getting rid of Neal's contact (and as you said why in the world would they want another bad contract when they have possibly the worst contract in the league already) where do we come up with another $2.25 million in cap space? we do have 2.7 in our salary pool from LTIR cap relief, but even then I can't see it. Unless they are looking at moving another contract out (which could explain the Stalock waiver claim). RNH not being signed and Koskinens bad year both come to mind as contracts to move out... but man I still can't see it happening, this seems to be an impossibility almost. That’ll be gone once Kass comes back. Which might be next game. Tip said today they’re waiting on clearance from the Docs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by drtaf on Mar 16, 2021 21:44:54 GMT -7
I'd do jones and neal for hall in a heartbeat as was proposed in the video? Considering that their season is a lost cause and Hall is gone anyway, picking up jones might be enough for them maybe? Neal's contract is bad but I believe the buyout situation on it after this year isn't horrible (don't remember exact details) if they want to go that route? I agree though Bronc, this does sound a little like fantasy GMing and I think there'd have to be a lot more moving parts to get this done.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 16, 2021 21:49:00 GMT -7
we do have 2.7 in our salary pool from LTIR cap relief, but even then I can't see it. Unless they are looking at moving another contract out (which could explain the Stalock waiver claim). RNH not being signed and Koskinens bad year both come to mind as contracts to move out... but man I still can't see it happening, this seems to be an impossibility almost. That’ll be gone once Kass comes back. Which might be next game. Tip said today they’re waiting on clearance from the Docs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes I know I'm the one who posted it lol. The actual point of everything wasn't to argue how much LTIR we have, it was more to say that bringing Hall into our roster would be something even Merlin the magician couldn't do. LTIR or not, we have a better chance of selling snow to an eskimo than getting TH here.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 16, 2021 21:54:25 GMT -7
That’ll be gone once Kass comes back. Which might be next game. Tip said today they’re waiting on clearance from the Docs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes I know I'm the one who posted it lol. The actual point of everything wasn't to argue how much LTIR we have, it was more to say that bringing Hall into our roster would be something even Merlin the magician couldn't do. LTIR or not, we have a better chance of selling snow to an eskimo than getting TH here. Ohhh my bad lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 16, 2021 21:59:31 GMT -7
Yes I know I'm the one who posted it lol. The actual point of everything wasn't to argue how much LTIR we have, it was more to say that bringing Hall into our roster would be something even Merlin the magician couldn't do. LTIR or not, we have a better chance of selling snow to an eskimo than getting TH here. Ohhh my bad lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk haha all good man, you are just keeping me on my toes  what do you think about Hall? would you want him here if we could get him?
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 17, 2021 5:30:41 GMT -7
Ohhh my bad lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk haha all good man, you are just keeping me on my toes what do you think about Hall? would you want him here if we could get him? I don’t think so. I know I mentioned it earlier this season when trying to figure out what to do with Nuge, but I can’t see him bringing anything to our team anymore. Maybe in the off season we can get him for dirt cheap cause of his horrendous season, but I don’t think he’s worth an asset right now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by happyhappy on Mar 17, 2021 8:09:48 GMT -7
Pass on Hall. Likely too pricey but regardless has got to be the league's most unlucky player. Everywhere he goes the team loses and loses (despite one yr with Jersey in 17/18, Hall's trophy yr, where they made it to first rnd of playoffs and were eliminated). At first I thought it was just Edmonton but combined with his days in NJ, his quick stint in Arizona, and now Buffalo something is up. I see a big trend for whatever reason. Obviously it's not all on Hall (I like the player) but been there, done that, didn't work. Pass. My two sense.  |
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 17, 2021 9:44:50 GMT -7
Cue the excuses from the fanbois....
Spud McKenzie
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Taylor Hall’s coaches since joining the NHL
Edm:
Tom Renney
Ralph Krueger
Dallas Eakins
Todd Nelson
Todd McLellan
NJ:
John Hynes
Alain Nasredine
Ari:
Rick Tochett
Buffalo:
Ralph Krueger
Don Granato
His longest time with a coach was Renney (164 games) and Hynes (272 games).
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Post by drtaf on Mar 17, 2021 10:00:31 GMT -7
It always comes down to price/cost so if price is right, why not? It's not like top line left wingers will be beating a path to our door this or any other year and he at least wants to come here? As a rental he'd be fine and/or in off season I'd offer a short term deal 2-3 yr max, he definitely comes with risk
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Post by blackhawk216 on Mar 17, 2021 10:09:20 GMT -7
Lots of negativity posted about Taylor Hall on here, and to a certain extent, I get it. Not disciplined in his early years with the Oilers, maybe thought he was better than he was, not what perhaps one would describe as a team player and so on. However, it isn't as if he is the only player never to win a Stanley Cup, and with all due respect to the Edmonton Oilers, the Devils, the Coyotes and now the Sabres, none of them really serious contenders, so I am not laying poor results (for the most part) on his solitary shoulders. Finally, 655 NHL games for 579 points for .88 pts per game and with a not too bad +/- would make him a desirable player for lots of teams, and I include the Oilers if finances can be agreed, not necessarily for this season, but maybe in the summer. Plus he is only 29, not exactly over the hill yet. I don't know about sending James Neal and Jones to Buffalo in a possible trade, the way Bear has been playing this season I would even consider send Bear along with Neal. That would make the deal more financially acceptable with the "dollar in/dollar out" requirement. We can't improve our results by sitting on our hands, and even if this wouldn't work results wise, come the end of the season we would have dumped Neal's salary, giving us another $5m+ to play with, no contract agreement with Hall, so we just say goodbye, and the loss of Bear could be softened with the excess dollars KH would still have to play with. This sounds so simple I must be missing something . |
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 17, 2021 10:16:05 GMT -7
It always comes down to price/cost so if price is right, why not? It's not like top line left wingers will be beating a path to our door this or any other year and he at least wants to come here? As a rental he'd be fine and/or in off season I'd offer a short term deal 2-3 yr max, he definitely comes with risk If he wants $8m we can't afford the risk.
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what do you think about Hall? would you want him here if we could get him?
