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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 20:01:53 GMT -7
96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough. From reading your posts over these few pages it becomes clear that you are firmly in the conspiracy theory group and seem to be afraid of taking the vaccine. Millions of us have taken the vaccine and we are all fine and now protected from the worst effects of the virus. We are not immune, we can still catch it but should not get any serious symptoms or hospitalization. You too, can safely get the vaccine, there is nothing to worry about. Side notes, because you made so many posts with inaccuracies and that post that went on forever.....well that was just disturbing. Way back you were talking about the vaccine causing mutations. Mutations are caused as new generations of the virus evolve. The virus is made up of RNA which replicates quickly. Mutations to worry about would be if the virus became immune to the vaccine. For the virus to become immune to the vaccine it needs many cycles of mutations. There is more chance of this happening if people do not get vaccinated and let the virus spread more widely. As for doctors not wanting the vaccine, you seem to be the only one with personal experience of more doctors not wanting it. I work at the Moncton city hospital and every doctor I know of has been vaccinated. As a matter of fact the hospital made sure every employee in all the departments were vaccinated. Some departments such as the intensive care units insisted on 100% of the staff be vaccinated or were sent home. Most employees all got vaccinated, even most of the conspiracy theory group although there were a handful of staff that didn't. One was confrontational and was sent home and has not returned. She went on to local fame being arrested in front of City Hall when their mask protest got violent. Actually I have had covid. Microbiologists state because they used only one protein in the vaccine there will be about 12 variants coming and they stated if the whole envelope would have been used like in past vaccinations you would not see these variants as the bodies immune system would have built complete defense. you did not mention virus shredding? I can only refer to my personal experience through a cousin who is a doctor, a sister in law who is a Nurse and my own physician, two are in Alberta and one in BC. The context of the argument and example were based on the AMA article suggesting 96% of doctors have the shot. I see other doctors and staff on the Internet stating opposition to this but did not mention them. To claim 96% are vaccinated is not fact and the article that was presented stated the other 45% are unsure... You do not see a problem with this AMA article? how can they claim 96% vaccinated and 45% unsure... My claim was of the medical people I knew and what they told me about the people around them. The Math does not add up in the AMA article. I do not think the numbers lie that more is going on here then meets the eye regarding incidents and deaths from the vaccine....if this happened in the past these vaccines would have been halted before the numbers we are witnessing now. Look at the responses to Vaers, CDC and FDA data...numbers are not good and have been retracted and edited on occasion... Look at the N95 mask, it states right on the box it is not sufficient for a virus. Top people said N95 and cloth masks are basically virtue signally and not one scientist or doctor would enter a lab with a Petry dish of open covid wearing these masks! I do not think this is clear cut and the evidence does have holes and suspicions in it. I would not call this a conspiracy theory I would call this data that does not add up, info that has been retracted on numerous occasions and media as well as hospital management not allowing full disclosure. You are aware these therapies were not given FDA approval and the term changed from emergency experimental to Investigative. I did not see anyone or know of anyone who had a problem with the mask...when fauci came out and said two masks that is when the medical community came out and said one N95 mask is not safe and two is a poor recommendation. I like to take a look at what the world says about the data and not believe what google, twitter and Facebook state as they seem to have a agenda of compromising the facts. I do not care what decisions other make as they can weigh their own options on their health but to force people when all the facts are not represented is another issue.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 20:08:10 GMT -7
CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated. 96% +45% = 100% That is some great AMA Math. It's in your own quote...cmon PH. 100% - 96% = 4% Of that 4%, 45% do plan to get vaccinated. That is some great reading comprehension
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 20:19:44 GMT -7
CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated. 96% +45% = 100% That is some great AMA Math. It's in your own quote...cmon PH. 100% - 96% = 4% Of that 4%, 45% do plan to get vaccinated. That is some great reading comprehension Not my quote read the article.Copied /pastewww.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19I did read it and copied and pasted the section...96% vaccinated and 45% unsure. This is an AMA survey conducted by who? Obviously someone who cannot proof read their article and expect the reader to assume the data presented? C'mon Man. The survey was conducted June 3–8 and showed an increase of more than 20 percent for physicians who have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 compared to a May 2021 Medscape poll. they must do the vaccine polls as well...80% vaccinated ...2 weeks later 51% vaccinated...next come get free ice cream and lottery tickets to get the jab.... if it was that great I do not think bribes would be needed. sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/poll-most-doctors-are-skipping-covid-19-vaccine/
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 20:33:26 GMT -7
It's in your own quote...cmon PH. 100% - 96% = 4% Of that 4%, 45% do plan to get vaccinated. That is some great reading comprehension Not my quote read the article.Copied /pastewww.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19I did read it and copied and pasted the section...96% vaccinated and 45% unsure. This is an AMA survey conducted by who? Obviously someone who cannot proof read their article and expect the reader to assume the data presented? C'mon Man. The survey was conducted June 3–8 and showed an increase of more than 20 percent for physicians who have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 compared to a May 2021 Medscape poll. they must do the vaccine polls as well...80% vaccinated ...2 weeks later 51% vaccinated...next come get free ice cream and lottery tickets to get the jab.... if it was that great I do not think bribes would be needed. Ok. That isn't what your quote says. It says 'of the unvaccinated doctors, 45% plan to get vaccinated'. So, that is 45% of the remaining 4% left after the 96% got jabbed. And nowhere is the word 'unsure'. I did read the article. I posted it. The American Medical Association doesn't hire anyone to do their polls. They are a professional trade organization. They ask their members directly.
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Post by SuperDave17 on Aug 13, 2021 20:44:47 GMT -7
Ok, let's stick to hockey and COVID please.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 21:10:50 GMT -7
Ok, let's stick to hockey and COVID please. And math Hockey. Covid. Math.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 21:33:37 GMT -7
Ok, let's stick to hockey and COVID please. And math Hockey. Covid. Math. Definitely
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 21:52:02 GMT -7
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Post by AlwaysOil on Aug 13, 2021 23:10:28 GMT -7
There’s enough evidence out there, both right and wrong that a lot of people are going to cherry pick studies and data that supports their own beliefs. Heck you can find studies that show cardio vascular exercise increases your risk of heart attacks.
I like the fact that Winnipeg’s parent company looked at the general consensus of peer reviewed science, ignored the crap science, and made a decision based on what they feel is right for public health. Speaks to their values. If Edmonton doesn’t, I may fly to Winnipeg to catch an oilers game this year. My choice and freedom.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 14, 2021 10:10:16 GMT -7
Should be a good game and I’m betting the arena will be packed with fully vaccinated fans. Jets made this decision after consulting season ticket holders and other stake holders and to be the first to come out with this policy, I’m pretty sure they’re confident this won’t affect their bottom line and any STHs who which to get a refund as they don’t want to be vaccinated, that is their right also, but I imagine, just as in Edmonton, TO and MTL, there will be a long line of vaccinated fans waiting to scoop up those tix! Of course, It’s also quite possible Mangiapane goes sideways and we go into full lockdown again (like my friends in Aus are now experiencing) and we will have another “NHL variant” of what’s supposed to be a 82-game reghockey season take place with zero fans allowed. Personally, I really don’t want that to happen, but the more people refuse vaccinations, the greater the possibility it will happen
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 11:09:31 GMT -7
Should be great for Winnipeg but they will have hard decisions...do we let in people who have second shots or do we wait until they have 3 shots.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 14, 2021 12:35:17 GMT -7
There has been talk of after a certain amount of time the effects of the vaccine may fade and that people would need to get booster shots. Similar to getting a flu shot every year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 13:35:22 GMT -7
There has been talk of after a certain amount of time the effects of the vaccine may fade and that people would need to get booster shots. Similar to getting a flu shot every year. I guess that is what bothers me, it went from 100% effective and safe to you require a second shot and now a third shot. The safety issue is also a concern as the numbers of injuries and deaths have increased with people who have not fared well with the vaccine. I understand there is always a risk with any vaccine but these numbers are significantly higher then previously vaccine issues.ie measles/polio. The media seems intent to say unvaccinated are giving the people who are vaccinated covid. If you are vaccinated you should be protected other wise why would you submit to this? I think there needs to be an independent study of risk/benefit, vaccine shedding and determine true data that has come out regarding prion disease showing up. A flu shot is very different then a Mrna Vaccine. Businesses and the Winnipeg jets can make certain mandates but it will have to be 100% otherwise there will be court challenges to the mandates as to why certain groups be it owners or players who are amongst the mandated vaccinated who have not had their vaccines. I think there will be political, religious and legal challenges that will be never ending. Time will be the key to understanding the fall out of the safety, effectiveness and response to these issues. The only apparent thing we do know is Big pharma is exempt from liability.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 13:47:23 GMT -7
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Post by igibb on Aug 14, 2021 16:18:43 GMT -7
Your numbers are a little off. It's over 85% according to Bill Daly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 17:47:13 GMT -7
Your numbers are a little off. It's over 85% according to Bill Daly. Teams participating in the Stanley Cup Playoffs are going to have some relaxed freedoms regarding the league’s COVID protocols provided they are fully vaccinated. The league announced on Saturday that once 85% of a team’s traveling party is fully vaccinated, the league will reduce protocols for those teams in regards to mask-wearing, team gatherings and meetings, indoor and outdoor activities, testing and travel. The league considers people to be fully vaccinated when they are two weeks removed from the second dose of an approved vaccine. TSN’s Frank Seravalli Tweeted on Saturday that it is believed five to seven of the 12 United States based playoff teams could meet that 85 percent threshold by the start of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, and that the majority of the American teams are around the 50% mark for fully vaccinated individuals. That number is expected to increase as more players, coaches, and staff clear the two-week mark from their second vaccine dose in the coming days and weeks. The league’s seven Canadian-based teams (including the four likely playoff teams in Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Montreal) are not believed to be anywhere close to that number given the differences in vaccine eligibility between the two countries.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I read an article that said Canadian teams were roughly 25% about 3 weeks ago and cannot locate article. Based on the article above it would be close to accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 22:23:03 GMT -7
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 15, 2021 6:50:30 GMT -7
Your numbers are a little off. It's over 85% according to Bill Daly. Teams participating in the Stanley Cup Playoffs are going to have some relaxed freedoms regarding the league’s COVID protocols provided they are fully vaccinated. The league announced on Saturday that once 85% of a team’s traveling party is fully vaccinated, the league will reduce protocols for those teams in regards to mask-wearing, team gatherings and meetings, indoor and outdoor activities, testing and travel. The league considers people to be fully vaccinated when they are two weeks removed from the second dose of an approved vaccine. TSN’s Frank Seravalli Tweeted on Saturday that it is believed five to seven of the 12 United States based playoff teams could meet that 85 percent threshold by the start of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, and that the majority of the American teams are around the 50% mark for fully vaccinated individuals. That number is expected to increase as more players, coaches, and staff clear the two-week mark from their second vaccine dose in the coming days and weeks. The league’s seven Canadian-based teams (including the four likely playoff teams in Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Montreal) are not believed to be anywhere close to that number given the differences in vaccine eligibility between the two countries.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I read an article that said Canadian teams were roughly 25% about 3 weeks ago and cannot locate article. Based on the article above it would be close to accurate. This is from before the start of the playoffs. Vaccinations had just begun. To keep things current, this is from Friday; Elliotte Friedman @friedgehnic · Aug 13, 2021 NHL sent a memo updating vaccination requirements to its teams: "Any person whose job, role, position or access entails or entitles them to have personal interactions (within 12 feet) with Club Hockey Operations personnel (including Players) are required to be Fully Vaccinated." Elliotte Friedman @friedgehnic There are some limited exceptions -- such as valet parking attendants. NHL/NHLPA protocols for players are not yet completed. (2/2) 1:51 PM · Aug 13, 2021
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Post by igibb on Aug 15, 2021 9:21:29 GMT -7
Your numbers are a little off. It's over 85% according to Bill Daly. Teams participating in the Stanley Cup Playoffs are going to have some relaxed freedoms regarding the league’s COVID protocols provided they are fully vaccinated. The league announced on Saturday that once 85% of a team’s traveling party is fully vaccinated, the league will reduce protocols for those teams in regards to mask-wearing, team gatherings and meetings, indoor and outdoor activities, testing and travel. The league considers people to be fully vaccinated when they are two weeks removed from the second dose of an approved vaccine. TSN’s Frank Seravalli Tweeted on Saturday that it is believed five to seven of the 12 United States based playoff teams could meet that 85 percent threshold by the start of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, and that the majority of the American teams are around the 50% mark for fully vaccinated individuals. That number is expected to increase as more players, coaches, and staff clear the two-week mark from their second vaccine dose in the coming days and weeks. The league’s seven Canadian-based teams (including the four likely playoff teams in Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Montreal) are not believed to be anywhere close to that number given the differences in vaccine eligibility between the two countries.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I read an article that said Canadian teams were roughly 25% about 3 weeks ago and cannot locate article. Based on the article above it would be close to accurate. From The Score yesterday. www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2192018/report-nhlpa-warns-unvaccinated-players-they-could-lose-pay"NHL deputy commissioner Billy Daly said that over 85% of players in the league are fully vaccinated. In comparison, 99% of WNBA players are vaccinated, while the NFL and NBA are at 90%."
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Post by igibb on Aug 15, 2021 9:24:22 GMT -7
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