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Post by FloridaAltFan on Nov 12, 2021 12:30:13 GMT -7
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Post by yuke on Nov 12, 2021 13:35:22 GMT -7
I take Torts message as, Huberdeauing to the refs will not help, best to not say anything (refs don't like that). Concentrate on the D side when it comes playoffs. That's what wins games anyway. |
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Post by oilyfan on Nov 12, 2021 15:44:38 GMT -7
Agreed but when a player sticks his stick into a players skates and does a canopener on him you need to put you arm up and call it. And it doesn't matter who's name is on the back of the jersey or the crest on the front. That's what's frustrating and Torts doesn't get it.
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Post by mrtea on Nov 12, 2021 16:04:46 GMT -7
Agreed but when a player sticks his stick into a players skates and does a canopener on him you need to put you arm up and call it. And it doesn't matter who's name is on the back of the jersey or the crest on the front. That's what's frustrating and Torts doesn't get it. I think Torts is just looking for a sound byte that will get him ratings and headlines, keeping his name active in the media. He's trying to be the next Don Cherrie and he can always tweak it later in a follow up piece. As long as he gets attention.
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Post by neufab94 on Nov 12, 2021 19:13:36 GMT -7
Torts is a politician and an actor. Nothing is to be taken at face value because everything is either for deflection or for dramatic effect.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Nov 12, 2021 22:33:31 GMT -7
I dunno. I kinda agree with him. 5 on 5 his line gets a lot scored against. He seems to be getting back better this year, but lots of times it’s his guy with the good opportunity.
Not saying I want him to be a shot blocking defensive forward. At all. I do think he needs to be a little better.
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Post by oilyfan on Nov 13, 2021 23:57:37 GMT -7
I dunno. I kinda agree with him. 5 on 5 his line gets a lot scored against. He seems to be getting back better this year, but lots of times it’s his guy with the good opportunity. Not saying I want him to be a shot blocking defensive forward. At all. I do think he needs to be a little better. I think everyone is missing the point. Pretty much every game it's open season on him. I don't really care who you are, or what era you played in, but I (and I can't skate) could score on those guys too - if the refs let me hack, trip, and hold the guy. I'm not talking border line calls here either - McD fights through those all the time, but the blatant trips, tackles, and constant (and I mean CONSTANT) interference that is run on him and NEVER called - for crissakes it's a miracle he can score at all. I guarantee you that if McD was allowed to play his game and not be constantly tripped, held, tackled, etc. he'd be a much better defensive player. Pretty hard to backcheck (or the operative word on that now is 'backtrack' whatever the F*(W that is) when you've been tripped, and dumped in the corner, with the officials just shrugging their shoulders, isn't it?
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Post by AlwaysOil on Nov 15, 2021 19:28:26 GMT -7
I dunno. I kinda agree with him. 5 on 5 his line gets a lot scored against. He seems to be getting back better this year, but lots of times it’s his guy with the good opportunity. Not saying I want him to be a shot blocking defensive forward. At all. I do think he needs to be a little better. I think everyone is missing the point. Pretty much every game it's open season on him. I don't really care who you are, or what era you played in, but I (and I can't skate) could score on those guys too - if the refs let me hack, trip, and hold the guy. I'm not talking border line calls here either - McD fights through those all the time, but the blatant trips, tackles, and constant (and I mean CONSTANT) interference that is run on him and NEVER called - for crissakes it's a miracle he can score at all. I guarantee you that if McD was allowed to play his game and not be constantly tripped, held, tackled, etc. he'd be a much better defensive player. Pretty hard to backcheck (or the operative word on that now is 'backtrack' whatever the F*(W that is) when you've been tripped, and dumped in the corner, with the officials just shrugging their shoulders, isn't it? For me it’s not the backchecking from the offensive to the defensive zon, it’s when we’re in the defensive zone and the opposition has the puck. McDavid should be supporting the d around the net and blocking the cross seam pass or the pass out front. He’s often on the wrong side of the opposing forward,cheating a little for offence, and it costs us. I yell at the tv, “watch the forward, watch the mother@#$& ing forward” and often facepalm a little bit later. Not just at 97 but most of the centres. It’s definitely not just him, but it is also him. This is what Tipp is talking about when he talks about their biggest improvement needs to be 5 on 5 defence. Or part of it anyways.
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Post by oilyfan on Nov 16, 2021 9:22:11 GMT -7
I think everyone is missing the point. Pretty much every game it's open season on him. I don't really care who you are, or what era you played in, but I (and I can't skate) could score on those guys too - if the refs let me hack, trip, and hold the guy. I'm not talking border line calls here either - McD fights through those all the time, but the blatant trips, tackles, and constant (and I mean CONSTANT) interference that is run on him and NEVER called - for crissakes it's a miracle he can score at all. I guarantee you that if McD was allowed to play his game and not be constantly tripped, held, tackled, etc. he'd be a much better defensive player. Pretty hard to backcheck (or the operative word on that now is 'backtrack' whatever the F*(W that is) when you've been tripped, and dumped in the corner, with the officials just shrugging their shoulders, isn't it? For me it’s not the backchecking from the offensive to the defensive zon, it’s when we’re in the defensive zone and the opposition has the puck. McDavid should be supporting the d around the net and blocking the cross seam pass or the pass out front. He’s often on the wrong side of the opposing forward,cheating a little for offence, and it costs us. I yell at the tv, “watch the forward, watch the mother@#$& ing forward” and often facepalm a little bit later. Not just at 97 but most of the centres. It’s definitely not just him, but it is also him. This is what Tipp is talking about when he talks about their biggest improvement needs to be 5 on 5 defence. Or part of it anyways. Yeah that part it true - one of the biggest cheaters I've ever seen was one Wayne Gretzky - he was always floating up near the blueline. Most offensive players do that. Yes, it does cost the team for sure at times, no argument there and unlike Gretzky Mcd has the wheels to recover to the offense side sooner IF the interference run on him is called. But again, that goes back to my point - put yourself in his skates, or better yet, the offensive team's skates. If the Oilers do recover the puck and start moving it out, and McD was 'covering' you in his Dzone, would you just blindly let him skate out, or would you grab him, hold on to him, or even rub him out in the boards to prevent him from joining the rush? Especially when you know that the chances of an official calling a penalty on you is probably around 2%! That's my point - he MUST try to find open ice and play defense at the same time. He really has no choice. He is paid to score/put up points, he's not paid to be Riley Sheehan. Until the NHL officials smartens up and starts calling interference calls on the NHL superstars (McD isn't the only one btw that gets the short end of the stick) that's what we'll see. We'll also see a lot of 7 to 5 and 8 to 4 type games. Something all coaches definitely don't want. Bettman for sure, as parity is only achieved through neutralizing offensively gifted teams. I don't mind Drai and McD cheating - yes it costs us goals, but we're 10 and 3 so far this year so I can live with it  What I can't abide is when a player sticks his stick into McD's skates and trips him blatantly - sometimes losing his stick in the process, when McD has the puck and is trying to produce offense, and the official does not even think about calling it. But that official will have his arm faster than the stick is hitting the ice when it's another player being dumped that isn't as talented. A penalty like that is a penalty that must be called 100% of the time - no excuse. No different than a puck being shot over the glass, or a goalie playing the puck in the no touch zone. It's automatic. And it's not called. It's a freaking joke and frankly an embarrassment to the league. No other league I've ever watched, past or present, let blatant fouls like that occur in the open for all to see unless there is some kind of rigging going on.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Nov 16, 2021 17:22:10 GMT -7
That's my point - he MUST try to find open ice and play defense at the same time. He really has no choice. He is paid to score/put up points, he's not paid to be Riley Sheehan. Until the NHL officials smartens up and starts calling interference calls on the NHL superstars (McD isn't the only one btw that gets the short end of the stick) that's what we'll see. We'll also see a lot of 7 to 5 and 8 to 4 type games. Something all coaches definitely don't want. Bettman for sure, as parity is only achieved through neutralizing offensively gifted teams. I don't mind Drai and McD cheating - yes it costs us goals, but we're 10 and 3 so far this year so I can live with it What I can't abide is when a player sticks his stick into McD's skates and trips him blatantly - sometimes losing his stick in the process, when McD has the puck and is trying to produce offense, and the official does not even think about calling it. But that official will have his arm faster than the stick is hitting the ice when it's another player being dumped that isn't as talented. A penalty like that is a penalty that must be called 100% of the time - no excuse. No different than a puck being shot over the glass, or a goalie playing the puck in the no touch zone. It's automatic. And it's not called. It's a freaking joke and frankly an embarrassment to the league. No other league I've ever watched, past or present, let blatant fouls like that occur in the open for all to see unless there is some kind of rigging going on. You’ll get 100% agreement with me on the calls/non calls. And while I agree with the Gretzky cheating, it was easier back then. I can remember being at games where you can see the whole ice and seeing Klima at the opposition blue line when we didn’t even quite have possession in our own zone. Two line pass era, too. Oilers just knew they would come up with the puck. That’s why I think it’s different today - we don’t. Oilers are dead last in high danger chances against. I think this also matches the eye test for those that don’t like analytics. We used to suck at special teams and now look at us. 5v5 defence is that next area we need to solve as a team and unless we get better at puck retrieval, there’s little sense in cheating for o. I also believe that if Connor plays deeper, he’ll end up with the puck more and that would scare the crap out of me as a defenceman. I go to 97 immediately he either beats me or dishes it to the winger. I back up and he probably beats me anyways. If he’s cheating all I have to do is play back and cover him because there’s two of us out of the play.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 17, 2021 9:28:38 GMT -7
Torts is irrelevant, he's a good sound bite but his dog and pony show lasts about 1 season before the players get sick of him. His "whiner" comment was pure BS as he's the biggest whiner out there and obviously he doesnt watch many oilers games. Can McD be a bit more responsible in his own end and play a bit more D? Sure, and when he's about 30 and losing a step he'll probably adjust just like Syd did and be great at it. For now though, he's paid to score and excite the fans. If Tipp tried to turn McD into "Danault", he'd not only lose his job, but the oilers would lose a lot more games, because atm the offence from McD and Drai is the only thing that's covering up the "D-ficiencies" of this poor defensive team. If McDrai's offence was reduced by 20-30% in order to become more "Selke-like" we would lose more games as we have no one else to pick up the slack. JP,Hyman and Nuge get 90% of their pts because of the sweet sauce constantly fed from those 2 and on top of that, they'd be as boring to watch as the Sutterites.
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Post by Bronco73 on Nov 20, 2021 1:07:16 GMT -7
A guy who never went a day in his life without complaining about reffing, his team playing like Mangiapane, the media, or life in general telling somebody else to stop complaining?
Oh the hypocrisy.
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