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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 30, 2021 17:11:16 GMT -7
Ironically I didn't lol... I defended Petry with every fiber of my being and wanted us to keep. The thing about Petry though is we ONLY gave him 4 seasons before shipping him out. They just didn't know what he would become yet. Klef has had what, 9 now? He is where he will be IMO whereas Petry still had a boatload of maturing and improving to go. Klef COULD still get better, yes... I just am at the point where I don't think it will happen, and his vast and extensive injury history tells me that his days are numbered in this league anyways. Klefbom’s rookie season was 2014-15. So last season was season 6. Petry’s rookie season was 2010-11, he got traded 2014-15 in his 5th season with us. Klef is 27 now, the same age Petry was when he was traded. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk klefboms rookie season was 2013, not 2014. he's been with the team 7 years. We traded Petry after 5
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 30, 2021 17:12:30 GMT -7
Klefbom’s rookie season was 2014-15. So last season was season 6. Petry’s rookie season was 2010-11, he got traded 2014-15 in his 5th season with us. Klef is 27 now, the same age Petry was when he was traded. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk klefboms rookie season was 2013, not 2014. he's been with the team 7 years. We traded Petry after 5 You have to play 25 games to be considered a rookie. Klefbom played 17 in 2013 due to injuries. That was not his rookie season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 30, 2021 17:29:19 GMT -7
klefboms rookie season was 2013, not 2014. he's been with the team 7 years. We traded Petry after 5 You have to play 25 games to be considered a rookie. Klefbom played 17 in 2013 due to injuries. That was not his rookie season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk OK we will ignore 2013 then I guess, even so he still has been here longer than Petry was
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 30, 2021 17:30:26 GMT -7
You have to play 25 games to be considered a rookie. Klefbom played 17 in 2013 due to injuries. That was not his rookie season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk OK we will ignore 2013 then I guess, even so he still has been here longer than Petry was Yeah but only by a season and Klef is the same age Petry was when Petry was ran out of Edmonton. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 30, 2021 17:41:40 GMT -7
OK we will ignore 2013 then I guess, even so he still has been here longer than Petry was Yeah but only by a season and Klef is the same age Petry was when Petry was ran out of Edmonton. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Also I don't think Petry has had nearly the injury trouble that Klefbom has, and he played on an oilers roster that was nowhere near as talented as the one Klef plays on. Maybe it's just the eye test, I dunno... but I just don't see Klefbom as being even close to the D-man that Petry is.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 30, 2021 17:44:13 GMT -7
Yeah but only by a season and Klef is the same age Petry was when Petry was ran out of Edmonton. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Also I don't think Petry has had nearly the injury trouble that Klefbom has, and he played on an oilers roster that was nowhere near as talented as the one Klef plays on. Maybe it's just the eye test, I dunno... but I just don't see Klefbom as being even close to the D-man that Petry is. I respect your opinion. I just see similarities. They were both put in basically the same position at the same age. The question is, at the time of Petry’s trade was he better than Klefbom is now? If they were pretty similar, then there’s no reason why Klefbom can’t get better (if his rehab and surgery are successful).
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Post by DeutschOil on Jan 30, 2021 17:59:38 GMT -7
Not sold on Barrie.
He doesn’t make the team better ... at least not yet.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 30, 2021 19:53:20 GMT -7
Also I don't think Petry has had nearly the injury trouble that Klefbom has, and he played on an oilers roster that was nowhere near as talented as the one Klef plays on. Maybe it's just the eye test, I dunno... but I just don't see Klefbom as being even close to the D-man that Petry is. I respect your opinion. I just see similarities. They were both put in basically the same position at the same age. The question is, at the time of Petry’s trade was he better than Klefbom is now? If they were pretty similar, then there’s no reason why Klefbom can’t get better (if his rehab and surgery are successful). Yup it was a good discussion for sure. You've made me take a closer look and by the numbers Klefbom and Petry pretty much track the same, I'm undervaluing Klefbom I'm sure. When all is said and done though he is our current best defenseman and we need him back dearly
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jan 30, 2021 19:56:45 GMT -7
I respect your opinion. I just see similarities. They were both put in basically the same position at the same age. The question is, at the time of Petry’s trade was he better than Klefbom is now? If they were pretty similar, then there’s no reason why Klefbom can’t get better (if his rehab and surgery are successful). Yup it was a good discussion for sure. You've made me take a closer look and by the numbers Klefbom and Petry pretty much track the same, I'm undervaluing Klefbom I'm sure. When all is said and done though he is our current best defenseman and we need him back dearly I just don’t wanna see him go elsewhere and become Petry 2.0. It all depends on how his surgery and recovery goes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by AlwaysOil on Jan 30, 2021 20:33:30 GMT -7
Posted in that chat that I’d trade Bouchard and/or Broberg probably at the TDL for. #1d. Here’s why...
I really believe both could be good pieces and believe Broberg has a higher ceiling, but when do they get there? It not like their going to be in the NHL and be great right away. Could be years away. Years that 97 and 29 are watching their chances slip away. Need to win now or next year. If we can find a rebuilding partner at the TDL, and get them to retain salary/cap, we could be a good team. So long as we don’t kill Koskinen, a number 1 d makes us really competitive immediately. Not sure who or how, but something I’d explore.
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Post by sharptooth on Jan 30, 2021 20:47:05 GMT -7
Not sold on Barrie. He doesn’t make the team better ... at least not yet. I was one that did not want Barrie
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 30, 2021 20:49:50 GMT -7
does anybody remember when so many people wanted us to trade RNH to Colorado for Barrie?
yikes.
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Post by toley on Jan 30, 2021 20:56:52 GMT -7
Posted in that chat that I’d trade Bouchard and/or Broberg probably at the TDL for. #1d. Here’s why... I really believe both could be good pieces and believe Broberg has a higher ceiling, but when do they get there? It not like their going to be in the NHL and be great right away. Could be years away. Years that 97 and 29 are watching their chances slip away. Need to win now or next year. If we can find a rebuilding partner at the TDL, and get them to retain salary/cap, we could be a good team. So long as we don’t kill Koskinen, a number 1 d makes us really competitive immediately. Not sure who or how, but something I’d explore. Good luck with that 👍 First off, identify who's a legitimate #1 defenseman and what teams have them? And if there are any teams even willing to part with them? The answer to the last question is probably, no. If a team has a legitimate #1 defenseman, they're not parting with them or it'll take way too much to even make it worth it. It took Ovechkin 13-14 years to win a cup, chances are its better just to wait and let them develop, possibly into that #1 defenseman your trying for.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 30, 2021 21:30:45 GMT -7
Yeah but only by a season and Klef is the same age Petry was when Petry was ran out of Edmonton. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Also I don't think Petry has had nearly the injury trouble that Klefbom has, and he played on an oilers roster that was nowhere near as talented as the one Klef plays on. Maybe it's just the eye test, I dunno... but I just don't see Klefbom as being even close to the D-man that Petry is. It must be the "eye test" Bronco, because statistically speaking, Klefbom is slightly the superior player. Petry has over his NHL carreer .38 pts per game, Klefbom has .41 pts per game. And regarding +/- stat, they are just about equal, both just about minus .16 per game. . Not sure where I read it, but from what I remember, someone wrote that you don't really know how good a defender could turn out to be until he has played 400+ games at NHL level. Klefbom isn't even quite there yet. We have never had a good defence since Pronger left, we all know that, but it looks considerably worse this season without Oscar in it, (not to mention the special teams not being as good) and I don't think anyone can dispute that. What is it now.......36 conceded in 10 games? Not all because we don't have Klef of course, but if this was a full normal NHL season we would be on course to concede just a tad under 300 goals.... .
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Post by sharptooth on Jan 30, 2021 21:37:52 GMT -7
does anybody remember when so many people wanted us to trade RNH to Colorado for Barrie? yikes. I remember but even at that time I was against it. I always felt Barrie was overrated. I’m not trying to say I was right or anything like that. I would like Barrie to prove me wrong to be honest.
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Post by yuke on Jan 30, 2021 21:59:09 GMT -7
Not sold on Barrie. He doesn’t make the team better ... at least not yet. I was one that did not want Barrie I too didn't want Barrie but I liked his game tonight
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Feb 2, 2021 10:35:59 GMT -7
Bouchard on second pairing with Russell during practice today.
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 2, 2021 11:47:23 GMT -7
Bouchard on second pairing with Russell during practice today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We're gonna need to score 8 again. Good golly, gonna be amateur hour in our own end.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Feb 2, 2021 11:56:09 GMT -7
Bouchard on second pairing with Russell during practice today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We're gonna need to score 8 again. Good golly, gonna be amateur hour in our own end. It seems like all our D are dressed, except Bear and Jones. We’re running 7 D today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by drtaf on Feb 2, 2021 15:37:02 GMT -7
Posted in that chat that I’d trade Bouchard and/or Broberg probably at the TDL for. #1d. Here’s why... I really believe both could be good pieces and believe Broberg has a higher ceiling, but when do they get there? It not like their going to be in the NHL and be great right away. Could be years away. Years that 97 and 29 are watching their chances slip away. Need to win now or next year. If we can find a rebuilding partner at the TDL, and get them to retain salary/cap, we could be a good team. So long as we don’t kill Koskinen, a number 1 d makes us really competitive immediately. Not sure who or how, but something I’d explore. Good luck with that 👍 First off, identify who's a legitimate #1 defenseman and what teams have them? And if there are any teams even willing to part with them? The answer to the last question is probably, no. If a team has a legitimate #1 defenseman, they're not parting with them or it'll take way too much to even make it worth it. It took Ovechkin 13-14 years to win a cup, chances are its better just to wait and let them develop, possibly into that #1 defenseman your trying for. yeah agree no one's trading a #1 D for Broberg or bouchard without a lot of choice picks and other prospects and TBH it wont be worth it because you know the #1D will also have some significant flaws such as high Cap, injury problems or already on decline. Broberg looks like he has #1 potential but i'd love to have a good veteran around him to mentor him for his first 2 NHL years. i guess we'll have some idea of what we have with bouchard tonight although it'll take 2+ seasons before he can really be evaluated as well, at least as to whether he has potential to be a top 4 D.
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