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Post by windsoroiler on May 11, 2021 8:02:59 GMT -7
With most of the US based teams done their season Barrie could win the NHL scoring for D men. Just to add to the McD and Drai threads
Nurse deserves the credit for cleaning up for him but still. Barrie has been playing a top pairing role where is better suited as a 3rd pairing with PP. Hope he get's it! Would be another milestone for the Oilers this year
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Post by drtaf on May 11, 2021 10:52:04 GMT -7
Barrie has been better offensively and defensively than I expected, I'm just not sure he is worth what he'll ask for in off-season (I expect he'll want $5M+). If he wins the D scoring title, he may well price himself out of EDM.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 11:12:43 GMT -7
With most of the US based teams done their season Barrie could win the NHL scoring for D men. Just to add to the McD and Drai threads
Nurse deserves the credit for cleaning up for him but still. Barrie has been playing a top pairing role where is better suited as a 3rd pairing with PP. Hope he get's it! Would be another milestone for the Oilers this year
He has been excellent and I think his patience with the puck has rubbed off on others.
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Post by mrtea on May 11, 2021 12:23:06 GMT -7
With most of the US based teams done their season Barrie could win the NHL scoring for D men. Just to add to the McD and Drai threads
Nurse deserves the credit for cleaning up for him but still. Barrie has been playing a top pairing role where is better suited as a 3rd pairing with PP. Hope he get's it! Would be another milestone for the Oilers this year
He has been excellent and I think his patience with the puck has rubbed off on others. Barrie has been a pleasant surprise to me both offensively and defensively. I would love to see him sign an extension here, but only at a price the works for the Oilers.... we can't afford to get into a bidding war. I'm not so sure about his patience rubbing off on others considering that at the start of the season I found he was very indecisive with the puck and it got him into trouble. Thankfully he learned to distribute the puck much quicker and that seemed to lead to his success. I'm thinking that our coaching staff is having a positive affect on our Dmen, for example Nurse has never looked better and Larsson is playing the best hockey that I have seen him play. Even Russell is looking better. Jones is the only one that I've been concerned about lately, but maybe I'm expecting too much from him.
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Post by discostew on May 11, 2021 12:54:44 GMT -7
We are in a great spot on defence (when was the last time we could say that. Broberg and Bouchard are both going to draw in next season. Will actually probably trade Bear or Jones. I'm glad it sounds like were keeping Larsson (hopefully for a slight pay decrease). I'd like to see us keep Barrie but if not hopefully Seattle signs him and that would be there expansion pick from us. My guess is another team will give him 6 mill for 4 or 5 years.
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Post by blackhawk216 on May 11, 2021 19:28:46 GMT -7
I have been impressed with Barrie this season and the chemistry that has developed between him, Nurse, McDavid and Drai.
I would love to see him again in the following seasons playing for the Oilers, but apart from the money, as I am not an expert on the right hand or left hand situation re defenders, could we play Barrie, Larsson, Bear, Bouchard & Broberg in the same team? Are they all right handers or am I wrong about Broberg?
If we trade Jones, and don't re-sign Kulikov, doesn't that only leave Nurse and Russell for the left side of defence? And if it does, can it still work, ie which of the right handers would be most comfortable playing left side?
And could the left/right issue be an important factor in not resigning Tyson Barrie? Sorry if I am way out, just not sure how important this issue is.
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Post by SuperDave17 on May 11, 2021 21:28:15 GMT -7
Broberg's a leftie.
But you're right, we do have a logjam of sorts on the right side.
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Post by DeutschOil on May 13, 2021 10:26:48 GMT -7
I was wrong about Barrie when we acquired him. Hope he can keep it going. He has definitely “arrived” at showing his potential. Now just Postseason and Season to Season consistency. Fingers Crossed. I have grown to like him.
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Post by windsoroiler on May 13, 2021 11:56:21 GMT -7
Barrie is I. The lead for the scoring title which is why this thread was posted. He makes lots of defensive mistakes but has been out offensive D.
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Post by sharptooth on May 13, 2021 12:14:40 GMT -7
I was wrong about Barrie when we acquired him. Hope he can keep it going. He has definitely “arrived” at showing his potential. Now just Postseason and Season to Season consistency. Fingers Crossed. I have grown to like him. Your not alone. I also was wrong about him and have grown to like him as well. He’s a great skater, passer, puck handler. He has also been much better defensively then I thought he would be.
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Post by fogolin2 on May 13, 2021 12:33:47 GMT -7
I was wrong about Barrie when we acquired him. Hope he can keep it going. He has definitely “arrived” at showing his potential. Now just Postseason and Season to Season consistency. Fingers Crossed. I have grown to like him. Your not alone. I also was wrong about him and have grown to like him as well. He’s a great skater, passer, puck handler. He has also been much better defensively then I thought he would be. I knew he had been good in Co, but he struggled so much in TO that I wasn't sure. He has been a real missing link for us, especially missing Klef. Exceeded my expectations, for sure. His shot is underrated. He can rip it, and is good at getting them through.
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Post by south on May 13, 2021 13:04:04 GMT -7
I'll join the list of pleasently surprised fans who find Barrie better defensively than expected. I don't know if he is that much better than Bouchard in our own zone though for the money. I think the economics will say let Barrie go and play Bouchard with Nurse next season. I don't think Holland or Barrie planned on more than 1 year in Edmonton umless Klefbom retires.
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Post by fogolin2 on May 13, 2021 19:51:50 GMT -7
I'll join the list of pleasently surprised fans who find Barrie better defensively than expected. I don't know if he is that much better than Bouchard in our own zone though for the money. I think the economics will say let Barrie go and play Bouchard with Nurse next season. I don't think Holland or Barrie planned on more than 1 year in Edmonton umless Klefbom retires. That's the wild card in all of this. Fascinated to see how it plays out. I just want Oscar to have a great life, no matter what. He's been a great Oiler.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 21:27:12 GMT -7
I'll join the list of pleasently surprised fans who find Barrie better defensively than expected. I don't know if he is that much better than Bouchard in our own zone though for the money. I think the economics will say let Barrie go and play Bouchard with Nurse next season. I don't think Holland or Barrie planned on more than 1 year in Edmonton umless Klefbom retires. That's the wild card in all of this. Fascinated to see how it plays out. I just want Oscar to have a great life, no matter what. He's been a great Oiler. I share your sentiments on Klef.
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Post by windsoroiler on May 13, 2021 23:15:08 GMT -7
Makar got 1pt tonight so he is 4 pts back of Barrie. Both players have one game left. All the other d are finished their regular seasons. Unless something drastic happens, Barrie will be the top scorer for D.
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Post by blackhawk216 on May 14, 2021 8:21:20 GMT -7
Makar got 1pt tonight so he is 4 pts back of Barrie. Both players have one game left. All the other d are finished their regular seasons. Unless something drastic happens, Barrie will be the top scorer for D. Yet most contributors on here seem ho hum on whether Barrie stays here or not......personally I am amazed. I am with all of you in really looking forwards to the future with Bouchard & Broberg joining at some time our defence on a full time basis. But 48 pts in 55 games, plus the chemistry with Leon, Connor and Darnell is not something to under value. To me, Russell and Jones are or should be dispensable........neither are really up to the daily grind of NHL, and to be honest, we don't know for sure if Bouchard and Broberg will be in the short term. It looks like they may be but we don't know for sure. So that leaves us with Larsson (hopefully), Laggesson, (still NHL inexperienced), Nurse, Bear, and maybe the two K's, Kulikov and Koekoek. Other than Nurse and hopefully Bouchard, not a huge amount of points can be expected from the remainder. Hence we should at least make every effort (financially) to keep Barrie, without mortgaging our future of course, and KH doesn't look the sort of GM to do that. The core of this team this season has been McDavid, Drai, Smith, Nurse and Barrie. And an excellent core it is.
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Post by windsoroiler on May 14, 2021 9:55:53 GMT -7
I would say Larsson and klef if he's healthy are our core. Barrie's goal was to come in and get points. He got that. There is one team who will pay him nicely for that. It's not out of the question that Seattle signs him, and that would count as our pick from us.
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Post by pillotte on May 14, 2021 10:04:22 GMT -7
Makar got 1pt tonight so he is 4 pts back of Barrie. Both players have one game left. All the other d are finished their regular seasons. Unless something drastic happens, Barrie will be the top scorer for D. Yet most contributors on here seem ho hum on whether Barrie stays here or not......personally I am amazed. I am with all of you in really looking forwards to the future with Bouchard & Broberg joining at some time our defence on a full time basis. But 48 pts in 55 games, plus the chemistry with Leon, Connor and Darnell is not something to under value. To me, Russell and Jones are or should be dispensable........neither are really up to the daily grind of NHL, and to be honest, we don't know for sure if Bouchard and Broberg will be in the short term. It looks like they may be but we don't know for sure. So that leaves us with Larsson (hopefully), Laggesson, (still NHL inexperienced), Nurse, Bear, and maybe the two K's, Kulikov and Koekoek. Other than Nurse and hopefully Bouchard, not a huge amount of points can be expected from the remainder. Hence we should at least make every effort (financially) to keep Barrie, without mortgaging our future of course, and KH doesn't look the sort of GM to do that. The core of this team this season has been McDavid, Drai, Smith, Nurse and Barrie. And an excellent core it is. I agree with you 100%. He has brought another element to the Oilers, he moves the puck very well either through a quick pass or by carrying. Yes his defensive numbers are maybe lower but those are more than equaled by the offensive stats. I truly believe he does like playing here and with that in mind would settle for a slightly lower than other teams offers once his contract is up. KH will I am sure will resign Barrie at a fair contract to both sides. I'm thinking maybe $4.5 - 5 over a 4-5 years. He will be 30 on July 26 so he's in his prime as far as experience and age goes. Now that we're getting out of some of those past long term commitments our available monies are I believe just short of 30M. Not sure what the future is for Klef but if he returns our D will be awesome with Nurse, Barrie, Klefbom, Larsson, Bear, Bouchard and ? (several to choose from - Broberg, Jones, Koekoek, Legasson, Russell). At this point our future is looking pretty bright and exciting now we have great coaching and a very good GM. Love it.
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Post by blackhawk216 on May 14, 2021 10:10:42 GMT -7
I would say Larsson and klef if he's healthy are our core. Barrie's goal was to come in and get points. He got that. There is one team who will pay him nicely for that. It's not out of the question that Seattle signs him, and that would count as our pick from us. Yes, I did forget to include Klef, but as you say, that is "if he is healthy". So currently as it stands, for Klef, Larsson, Kulikov, Koekoek, and to a certain extend Bouchard and Broberg, it is somewhat a list of ifs and buts..........with Barrie, we have the real deal, not the original James Neal real deal, but definitely an NHL real deal scoring PP quarterback defenseman, that has excelled past all other defenders in terms of scoring this season. When was the last time we had that? Just saying . This is all about money, Barrie is without doubt good enough, but is he cheap enough? Time will tell.
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Post by mrtea on May 14, 2021 11:07:10 GMT -7
Yet most contributors on here seem ho hum on whether Barrie stays here or not......personally I am amazed. I am with all of you in really looking forwards to the future with Bouchard & Broberg joining at some time our defence on a full time basis. But 48 pts in 55 games, plus the chemistry with Leon, Connor and Darnell is not something to under value. To me, Russell and Jones are or should be dispensable........neither are really up to the daily grind of NHL, and to be honest, we don't know for sure if Bouchard and Broberg will be in the short term. It looks like they may be but we don't know for sure. So that leaves us with Larsson (hopefully), Laggesson, (still NHL inexperienced), Nurse, Bear, and maybe the two K's, Kulikov and Koekoek. Other than Nurse and hopefully Bouchard, not a huge amount of points can be expected from the remainder. Hence we should at least make every effort (financially) to keep Barrie, without mortgaging our future of course, and KH doesn't look the sort of GM to do that. The core of this team this season has been McDavid, Drai, Smith, Nurse and Barrie. And an excellent core it is. I agree with you 100%. He has brought another element to the Oilers, he moves the puck very well either through a quick pass or by carrying. Yes his defensive numbers are maybe lower but those are more than equaled by the offensive stats. I truly believe he does like playing here and with that in mind would settle for a slightly lower than other teams offers once his contract is up. KH will I am sure will resign Barrie at a fair contract to both sides. I'm thinking maybe $4.5 - 5 over a 4-5 years. He will be 30 on July 26 so he's in his prime as far as experience and age goes. Now that we're getting out of some of those past long term commitments our available monies are I believe just short of 30M. Not sure what the future is for Klef but if he returns our D will be awesome with Nurse, Barrie, Klefbom, Larsson, Bear, Bouchard and ? (several to choose from - Broberg, Jones, Koekoek, Legasson, Russell). At this point our future is looking pretty bright and exciting now we have great coaching and a very good GM. Love it. 100% in agreement. My concern is that he will want more. If he's asking above $6 then we have to remember that we need to resign Nurse next year and there is only so much to go around. I like Nuge, but if we have to pick between signing Nuge or Barrie at similar money, I'm picking Barrie.
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