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Post by neufab94 on May 17, 2021 9:28:46 GMT -7
At the end of the day you can't load a team with $10 million contracts and the players need to realize that there is a difference between "getting paid" and building a good "TEAM". You don't win a cup by dissenting your team every time you taste a little success. A few guys, including McDavid and Draisaitl will need to make a little less than they could get if they wanted to go shopping for the biggest contract if they want to build a winning TEAM. Yeah but did Draisaitl “take a little less” when he signed his contract? His career high was, I believe, 77 points (last year in his ELC). I do recall at the time everyone thought Chiarelli was insane signing LD to that 8.5M contract. Even the first year of this contract, he dropped down to 70 points. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Exactly. As such, Nurse & Barrie would do well to know that and follow suit. Earning 8.5M is still a lot of money even though it is an easy case to say LD could be making more. I think that Crosby at various times could have made more also. If these guys want to be surrounded by league minimum players then go ahead and max out your contract and be that 1st round exit.
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Post by pillotte on May 17, 2021 10:04:28 GMT -7
You definitely make some good points. I'm just not sure of Drai's level of money. And I really do not want to lose Darnell after we've put all this time in with him. Hopefully, he wants to be part of the future of this club and will maybe soften his stance somewhat when it comes to contract time. Maybe 5 yrs @ 7 - 7.5M? The thing is, Drai is underpaid based off his performance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's a little scary. Using that scenario then McD is way way underpaid. It's gonna get to a point that hopefully 2 players plus a goalie can play all 60 'cause we don't have any cap space left.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 17, 2021 10:18:49 GMT -7
The thing is, Drai is underpaid based off his performance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's a little scary. Using that scenario then McD is way way underpaid. It's gonna get to a point that hopefully 2 players plus a goalie can play all 60 'cause we don't have any cap space left. McDavid could have easily demanded league max and got it. I do believe the highest contract dollar value allowed is 20% of the cap. Which would mean McDavid could have got a 14.6M AAV contract. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by drtaf on May 20, 2021 11:47:02 GMT -7
TO is more top heavy than we are and still manage every year to pick up FA's so i'm not sure why everyone is expecting oiler players to take less (It's not like this is tampa and beautiful and sunny and tax-free)? Nurse accepted the bridge deal and ran with it and now he will be paid based off of his current value and play (Which is very high). Our other 2 super stars are actually underpaid for what they contribute so not sure where the gripe is there (and yes PC got lucky with Drai). Teams get screwed when they give out massive contracts and the players dont perform eg i'd say tavares is way overpaid for what he brings to TO, same for Carey Price (Just to give a few CDN examples). This current flat cap makes things very difficult for KH, but who could predict that when Nurse got the bridge deal? Nurse will have every right to ask for drai money and hopefully KH can maneuver and use the covid card to say he can only pay so much and hopefully they meet at a middle ground?? Hopefully, Nurse will then continue to be full value for his next contract and doesnt become the next PK Subban, because then he will become a problem? For now, our over-payments are relatively minor compared to some other teams
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Post by yuke on May 20, 2021 12:46:31 GMT -7
TO is more top heavy than we are and still manage every year to pick up FA's so i'm not sure why everyone is expecting oiler players to take less (It's not like this is tampa and beautiful and sunny and tax-free)? Nurse accepted the bridge deal and ran with it and now he will be paid based off of his current value and play (Which is very high). Our other 2 super stars are actually underpaid for what they contribute so not sure where the gripe is there (and yes PC got lucky with Drai). Teams get screwed when they give out massive contracts and the players dont perform eg i'd say tavares is way overpaid for what he brings to TO, same for Carey Price (Just to give a few CDN examples). This current flat cap makes things very difficult for KH, but who could predict that when Nurse got the bridge deal? Nurse will have every right to ask for drai money and hopefully KH can maneuver and use the covid card to say he can only pay so much and hopefully they meet at a middle ground?? Hopefully, Nurse will then continue to be full value for his next contract and doesnt become the next PK Subban, because then he will become a problem? For now, our over-payments are relatively minor compared to some other teams Let's see how Nurse plays next year before speculating his next salary
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Post by drtaf on May 20, 2021 14:38:11 GMT -7
I'm fuzzy about when KH can actually start negotiating Nurse's next contract but I thought it was more or less as soon as this season is over? If i had to wager i'd say it's better to re-sign sooner than later as i think price will only keep going up :-) but you're right, we will see.
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Post by yuke on May 20, 2021 19:58:31 GMT -7
I'm fuzzy about when KH can actually start negotiating Nurse's next contract but I thought it was more or less as soon as this season is over? If i had to wager i'd say it's better to re-sign sooner than later as i think price will only keep going up :-) but you're right, we will see. Nurse still has on year left but I believe starting the first day of free agency and with only 1 year left negotiations can happen.
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Post by oildude on May 21, 2021 9:51:01 GMT -7
TO is more top heavy than we are and still manage every year to pick up FA's so i'm not sure why everyone is expecting oiler players to take less (It's not like this is tampa and beautiful and sunny and tax-free)? Nurse accepted the bridge deal and ran with it and now he will be paid based off of his current value and play (Which is very high). Our other 2 super stars are actually underpaid for what they contribute so not sure where the gripe is there (and yes PC got lucky with Drai). Teams get screwed when they give out massive contracts and the players dont perform eg i'd say tavares is way overpaid for what he brings to TO, same for Carey Price (Just to give a few CDN examples). This current flat cap makes things very difficult for KH, but who could predict that when Nurse got the bridge deal? Nurse will have every right to ask for drai money and hopefully KH can maneuver and use the covid card to say he can only pay so much and hopefully they meet at a middle ground?? Hopefully, Nurse will then continue to be full value for his next contract and doesnt become the next PK Subban, because then he will become a problem? For now, our over-payments are relatively minor compared to some other teams Let's see how Nurse plays next year before speculating his next salary I guess for some people grabbing the top scoring defender this year was not a good enough free agent signing.
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Post by mrtea on May 21, 2021 10:09:36 GMT -7
Let's see how Nurse plays next year before speculating his next salary I guess for some people grabbing the top scoring defender this year was not a good enough free agent signing. It was great the way we got Barrie! The question now is can we keep him?
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Post by blackhawk216 on May 21, 2021 13:43:18 GMT -7
I guess for some people grabbing the top scoring defender this year was not a good enough free agent signing. It was great the way we got Barrie! The question now is can we keep him? More importantly, can we afford not to keep him. Whilst acknowledging that every club has a limit on what they can play a player, it is asking a lot of Bouchard who would be the obvious replacement for Barrie to contribute the volume of points and to be as successful on the PP as Tyson Barrie has this season. The Oilers do not have another defenseman, including Klef if he suits up, that can come close to his points per game average this season, and has the ability also to quarter back the power play. Those attributes cost money, and we got him on the cheap this season, Bouchard likely one day will be a prominent player for the Oilers, but Barrie has been our best scoring D man covering the last 3 decades, and he has built the chemistry with Darnell, Leon and Connor. Unless he asks a ridiculous number of dollars or term, we need to keep him in Edmonton. I may be in the minority on here, but I would rather give Barrie 6m for up to 5 years than RNH if push came to shove.
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Post by pillotte on May 21, 2021 14:07:12 GMT -7
It was great the way we got Barrie! The question now is can we keep him? More importantly, can we afford not to keep him. Whilst acknowledging that every club has a limit on what they can play a player, it is asking a lot of Bouchard who would be the obvious replacement for Barrie to contribute the volume of points and to be as successful on the PP as Tyson Barrie has this season. The Oilers do not have another defenseman, including Klef if he suits up, that can come close to his points per game average this season, and has the ability also to quarter back the power play. Those attributes cost money, and we got him on the cheap this season, Bouchard likely one day will be a prominent player for the Oilers, but Barrie has been our best scoring D man covering the last 3 decades, and he has built the chemistry with Darnell, Leon and Connor. Unless he asks a ridiculous number of dollars or term, we need to keep him in Edmonton. I may be in the minority on here, but I would rather give Barrie 6m for up to 5 years than RNH if push came to shove. ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!! The Oil are finally deep in D talent for now AND into the future. Once we get through this Covid crap and are rid of all those contracts both current and buyouts I think KH will have just under 30 M in cap space. That should be ample to sign current (Nuge & Barrie) plus maybe bring in some solid NHL UFA's (LW & Goaltender )
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Post by mrtea on May 21, 2021 14:18:09 GMT -7
It was great the way we got Barrie! The question now is can we keep him? More importantly, can we afford not to keep him. Whilst acknowledging that every club has a limit on what they can play a player, it is asking a lot of Bouchard who would be the obvious replacement for Barrie to contribute the volume of points and to be as successful on the PP as Tyson Barrie has this season. The Oilers do not have another defenseman, including Klef if he suits up, that can come close to his points per game average this season, and has the ability also to quarter back the power play. Those attributes cost money, and we got him on the cheap this season, Bouchard likely one day will be a prominent player for the Oilers, but Barrie has been our best scoring D man covering the last 3 decades, and he has built the chemistry with Darnell, Leon and Connor. Unless he asks a ridiculous number of dollars or term, we need to keep him in Edmonton. I may be in the minority on here, but I would rather give Barrie 6m for up to 5 years than RNH if push came to shove.
I've already stated in an earlier post in one of the threads that I would sign Barrie over Nuge if I could only pick one. Barrie definitely has more impact on a game than Nuge, most games anyway. I think most Oiler fans probably agree with that so you are no minority. Obviously it all depends on how bad Holland wants to keep him and how bad Barrie and his manager want Barrie to stay in Edmonton.
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Post by yuke on Jan 19, 2022 6:17:28 GMT -7
What you say now people. Happy we have the Barrie and all those points?
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Post by drtaf on Jan 19, 2022 9:10:24 GMT -7
What you say now people. Happy we have the Barrie and all those points? That's like saying "Happy we have Keith and all that locker room experience"? IMO one of these is still tradeable and it aint Keith.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 19, 2022 9:21:59 GMT -7
What you say now people. Happy we have the Barrie and all those points? I think the fact that you trawl back through months of posts to attempt to look like a smart a-s-s says more about you than your post does about Tyson Barrie. If only Barrie was our only issue on this team and at this club I would be a very happy Oiler fan, but he isn't and hence I am not a happy Oiler fan. Enjoy your day.
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Post by yuke on Jan 19, 2022 12:15:17 GMT -7
What you say now people. Happy we have the Barrie and all those points? I think the fact that you trawl back through months of posts to attempt to look like a smart a-s-s says more about you than your post does about Tyson Barrie. If only Barrie was our only issue on this team and at this club I would be a very happy Oiler fan, but he isn't and hence I am not a happy Oiler fan. Enjoy your day. Boy, you took that personal. And Why so pissy?
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 19, 2022 13:48:18 GMT -7
I think the fact that you trawl back through months of posts to attempt to look like a smart a-s-s says more about you than your post does about Tyson Barrie. If only Barrie was our only issue on this team and at this club I would be a very happy Oiler fan, but he isn't and hence I am not a happy Oiler fan. Enjoy your day. Boy, you took that personal. And Why so pissy? What makes you think I took it personal? Have a nice day Mr Matheson . But seriously yuke, why single out Tyson Barrie? Just asking, as from what I have seen, we have a list of under achievers, eg, Koskinen at the top of the list, RNH (what is it, one goal 5 on 5? could be wrong but he aint got many), Derek Ryan almost invisible when on the ice, Duncan Keith just average, Nurse......never a $9m player even in Edmonton, JP OK occasionally, Yammo not great, but better recently, and I could mention some other players in the bottom six but you get my gist I am sure. And clearly, something is wrong with our coaching.......if not, then maybe the players need to start listening. So why just Barrie?
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Post by yuke on Jan 19, 2022 20:45:12 GMT -7
Boy, you took that personal. And Why so pissy? What makes you think I took it personal? Have a nice day Mr Matheson . But seriously yuke, why single out Tyson Barrie? Just asking, as from what I have seen, we have a list of under achievers, eg, Koskinen at the top of the list, RNH (what is it, one goal 5 on 5? could be wrong but he aint got many), Derek Ryan almost invisible when on the ice, Duncan Keith just average, Nurse......never a $9m player even in Edmonton, JP OK occasionally, Yammo not great, but better recently, and I could mention some other players in the bottom six but you get my gist I am sure. And clearly, something is wrong with our coaching.......if not, then maybe the players need to start listening. So why just Barrie? I haven't singled out Barrie. I brought the JP thread back up to question his lack of hitting on the forecheck. On another thread I questioned Bouchard's defensive play and why nobody mentions it. But Barrie is the guy in your list that was discussed the most about how we need to sign him (for Big dollars I might add). If you remember, I also said sign him but only if he comes cheap.
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Post by brolo on Jan 21, 2022 17:27:43 GMT -7
Barrie is awful. And when’s the last time he has taken a slap shot? I don’t think he’s taken one all year… I’m guessing he’s injured. How did Holland make this team worse?
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