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Post by Bronco73 on Aug 15, 2021 21:32:27 GMT -7
That's as plausible an explanation as any. 20/20 hindsight says that would have been a great year for the Oilers to trade down in the draft and let someone else deal with Yak and his attitude, but as you said "Hard to say no to the owner." I wanted to trade down and take Trouba. I think he went 8th or 9th. I remember this. I argued that you take BPA when you are drafting first. I was wrong.
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Post by south on Aug 16, 2021 5:07:45 GMT -7
I wanted to trade down and take Trouba. I think he went 8th or 9th. I remember this. I argued that you take BPA when you are drafting first. I was wrong. The 2012 draft saw Tambellini going for the concensus BPA and his last year as GM. He may have agreed with the owner's wish, but he was soon replaced anyway. 9 of the top 15 players selected were Dmen. #2 Ryan Murray 4 Grifin Reinhart 5 Morgan Rielly 6 Hampus Lindholm 7 Matt Dumba 8 Derrick Pouliot 9 Jacob Trouba 10 Slater Koekkoek 15 Cody Ceci I didn't want the Oilers to take Yak either and hoped for the Oilers to trade down. Didn't work out that way and 20/20 hindsight is easy to condemn the then GM for now.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 16, 2021 8:21:35 GMT -7
Thats why tanking to get FOA is a bad bet as you're more or less forced to pick the consensus BPA even if its not a good fit.The argument is that you can always trade them afterwards, but that almost never happens until the BPA has already shown they're a bust (as in the Yak situation)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 17:52:18 GMT -7
I remember this. I argued that you take BPA when you are drafting first. I was wrong. The 2012 draft saw Tambellini going for the concensus BPA and his last year as GM. He may have agreed with the owner's wish, but he was soon replaced anyway. 9 of the top 15 players selected were Dmen. #2 Ryan Murray 4 Grifin Reinhart 5 Morgan Rielly 6 Hampus Lindholm 7 Matt Dumba 8 Derrick Pouliot 9 Jacob Trouba 10 Slater Koekkoek 15 Cody Ceci I didn't want the Oilers to take Yak either and hoped for the Oilers to trade down. Didn't work out that way and 20/20 hindsight is easy to condemn the then GM for now. Tambelini is now a scout for the Ducks...when you mentioned his name it made me wonder what is he doing now?
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Post by neufab94 on Aug 17, 2021 8:05:42 GMT -7
I remember this. I argued that you take BPA when you are drafting first. I was wrong. The 2012 draft saw Tambellini going for the concensus BPA and his last year as GM. He may have agreed with the owner's wish, but he was soon replaced anyway. 9 of the top 15 players selected were Dmen. #2 Ryan Murray 4 Grifin Reinhart 5 Morgan Rielly 6 Hampus Lindholm 7 Matt Dumba 8 Derrick Pouliot 9 Jacob Trouba 10 Slater Koekkoek 15 Cody CeciI didn't want the Oilers to take Yak either and hoped for the Oilers to trade down. Didn't work out that way and 20/20 hindsight is easy to condemn the then GM for now. We all know how the Reinhart thing went, I had hoped they took Murray instead of Yak because of how weak their D was at the time. Bringing Ceci and Koekkoek in now looks to be good timing... not all is lost from that draft year... ?
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Post by drtaf on Aug 17, 2021 12:16:52 GMT -7
That’s the optimistic way of looking at it, or you could say we used up 2 1sts and a 2nd and have zero to show for those picks🤷♂️
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Post by neufab94 on Aug 17, 2021 12:37:06 GMT -7
That’s the optimistic way of looking at it, or you could say we used up 2 1sts and a 2nd and have zero to show for those picks🤷♂️ I suppose we now also have zero to show for the 1st overall Taylor Hall pick. Optimistically, we have signed Hyman, Barrie, Koekkoek, Ceci, and a few bottom 6 forwards to make up for the loss of assets. It is with good reason that the Oilers now have a different manager.
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 17, 2021 18:23:28 GMT -7
I have nothing to base this off and it is purely a gut feeling but I think Perlini is going to do very well.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 17, 2021 19:59:36 GMT -7
I have nothing to base this off and it is purely a gut feeling but I think Perlini is going to do very well. I feel the exact same way. Nothing to base it on. Just a feeling. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 17, 2021 20:44:19 GMT -7
Looks like most of us agree. With Hyman, Foegele and Perlini we are much bigger up front. We can forecheck now and not just be a rush team.
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Post by pillotte on Aug 17, 2021 21:06:06 GMT -7
That’s the optimistic way of looking at it, or you could say we used up 2 1sts and a 2nd and have zero to show for those picks🤷♂️ I suppose we now also have zero to show for the 1st overall Taylor Hall pick. Optimistically, we have signed Hyman, Barrie, Koekkoek, Ceci, and a few bottom 6 forwards to make up for the loss of assets. It is with good reason that the Oilers now have a different manager. Thank goodness NOW maybe we can flush the Hall trade down the toilet and not mention it again. It's history let's move on!
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Post by south on Aug 18, 2021 6:07:47 GMT -7
I have nothing to base this off and it is purely a gut feeling but I think Perlini is going to do very well. I feel the exact same way. Nothing to base it on. Just a feeling. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Back on topic, I too think Perlini could be a great bottom 6 add. He has good size,apparently an above average skater, familiarity with Tippet, a competitive attitude with a desire to play an uptempo game,prior early career NHL experience and at 25 years old, maturity entering what should be his prime athletic years. Not an expensive add,so a low risk addition for a onetime high selection during his draft year. Welcome to Edmonton.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 18, 2021 6:29:54 GMT -7
I feel the exact same way. Nothing to base it on. Just a feeling. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Back on topic, I too think Perlini could be a great bottom 6 add. He has good size,apparently an above average skater, familiarity with Tippet, a competitive attitude with a desire to play an uptempo game,prior early career NHL experience and at 25 years old, maturity entering what should be his prime athletic years. Not an expensive add,so a low risk addition for a onetime high selection during his draft year. Welcome to Edmonton. I've been begging to add as many Archibalds as we can get our hands on. By this description, it sounds like we might have got one. I can't say I know his game other than what I've read here, but I'm hoping this is what he brings. I'm very interested to see what the lines look like as we go along. With Perlini and Ryan and Foegele, it's going to look very different.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 18, 2021 7:43:29 GMT -7
Back on topic, I too think Perlini could be a great bottom 6 add. He has good size,apparently an above average skater, familiarity with Tippet, a competitive attitude with a desire to play an uptempo game,prior early career NHL experience and at 25 years old, maturity entering what should be his prime athletic years. Not an expensive add,so a low risk addition for a onetime high selection during his draft year. Welcome to Edmonton. I've been begging to add as many Archibalds as we can get our hands on. By this description, it sounds like we might have got one. I can't say I know his game other than what I've read here, but I'm hoping this is what he brings. I'm very interested to see what the lines look like as we go along. With Perlini and Ryan and Foegele, it's going to look very different. Yep, it looks like strategy is going from "hoping for containment" to "creating Chaos" in other teams zone, with the bottom 6 we're assembling. Me likey if that happens!
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Post by windsoroiler on Aug 18, 2021 7:57:27 GMT -7
I forget the exact stat for our bottom 6 last year. PK was excellent, 5 on 5 though, we had 23 goals for and 40 something goals against. So this has to improve. Small players or bigger slower players, more time in our zone, little offense.
As a side note Turris has been working out and staying in Edmonton all summer. Let's see if this pays off if at all. At least the effort is there, being involved in the community I see. Not going to fault anyone for trying like this.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 18, 2021 8:03:57 GMT -7
I forget the exact stat for our bottom 6 last year. PK was excellent, 5 on 5 though, we had 23 goals for and 40 something goals against. So this has to improve. Small players or bigger slower players, more time in our zone, little offense. As a side note Turris has been working out and staying in Edmonton all summer. Let's see if this pays off if at all. At least the effort is there, being involved in the community I see. Not going to fault anyone for trying like this. Totally! He had a tough year last year, but if he shows up and plays well, it's nothing but good for us! Lets go Turrbo!
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Post by neufab94 on Aug 18, 2021 10:15:23 GMT -7
I forget the exact stat for our bottom 6 last year. PK was excellent, 5 on 5 though, we had 23 goals for and 40 something goals against. So this has to improve. Small players or bigger slower players, more time in our zone, little offense. As a side note Turris has been working out and staying in Edmonton all summer. Let's see if this pays off if at all. At least the effort is there, being involved in the community I see. Not going to fault anyone for trying like this. Totally! He had a tough year last year, but if he shows up and plays well, it's nothing but good for us! Lets go Turrbo! I was originally pleased when Turris was brought in but last year was his worst year including his rookie season. His career average is 0.559 ppg so if he brings his A-game it would be good for everyone. Either way, this team has more depth than in previous years with some high end prospects and guys coming up from the AHL pushing for a spot. Perlini is a good addition, appears to have size and speed. Holland has revamped this team more than I expected with the exception for goal tending. Still, Detroit won Stanley Cups with average goal tending, so as long as the team in front of the net plays well, then the Oilers should not need a miracle worker between the pipes. I am getting the itch for hockey season... just got my WHL season tickets.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 18, 2021 10:45:20 GMT -7
Totally! He had a tough year last year, but if he shows up and plays well, it's nothing but good for us! Lets go Turrbo! I was originally pleased when Turris was brought in but last year was his worst year including his rookie season. His career average is 0.559 ppg so if he brings his A-game it would be good for everyone. Either way, this team has more depth than in previous years with some high end prospects and guys coming up from the AHL pushing for a spot. Perlini is a good addition, appears to have size and speed. Holland has revamped this team more than I expected with the exception for goal tending. Still, Detroit won Stanley Cups with average goal tending, so as long as the team in front of the net plays well, then the Oilers should not need a miracle worker between the pipes. I am getting the itch for hockey season... just got my WHL season tickets. Totally agree. I like hearing that Turris is working out hard. He's had success before and I love hearing of motivated players coming to camp with goals to achieve. The atmosphere at camp could be electric if we have enough guys with something to prove, it could become contagious spreading through the team. I truly do not think Holland is done. I believe he will be looking for the right fit for goaltending and waiting till the time is right. It could take until after the season starts, but I think he's being patient and just waiting to see who is expendable to teams with extra goaltenders. I think he might even add another veteran D at near league minimum for extra depth. Time will tell.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 18, 2021 13:28:30 GMT -7
I was originally pleased when Turris was brought in but last year was his worst year including his rookie season. His career average is 0.559 ppg so if he brings his A-game it would be good for everyone. Either way, this team has more depth than in previous years with some high end prospects and guys coming up from the AHL pushing for a spot. Perlini is a good addition, appears to have size and speed. Holland has revamped this team more than I expected with the exception for goal tending. Still, Detroit won Stanley Cups with average goal tending, so as long as the team in front of the net plays well, then the Oilers should not need a miracle worker between the pipes. I am getting the itch for hockey season... just got my WHL season tickets. Totally agree. I like hearing that Turris is working out hard. He's had success before and I love hearing of motivated players coming to camp with goals to achieve. The atmosphere at camp could be electric if we have enough guys with something to prove, it could become contagious spreading through the team. I truly do not think Holland is done. I believe he will be looking for the right fit for goaltending and waiting till the time is right. It could take until after the season starts, but I think he's being patient and just waiting to see who is expendable to teams with extra goaltenders. I think he might even add another veteran D at near league minimum for extra depth. Time will tell. Agreed. That was the angle of my post as well. Like Bear and Jones became expendable for other upgrades, if Turris is playing well but we don't have enough minutes for everyone, then we can make a goalie trade without blowing a hole in the roster. Not saying it has to be Turris either, but another guy playing well gives us that flexibility.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 19, 2021 4:37:29 GMT -7
Totally agree. I like hearing that Turris is working out hard. He's had success before and I love hearing of motivated players coming to camp with goals to achieve. The atmosphere at camp could be electric if we have enough guys with something to prove, it could become contagious spreading through the team. I truly do not think Holland is done. I believe he will be looking for the right fit for goaltending and waiting till the time is right. It could take until after the season starts, but I think he's being patient and just waiting to see who is expendable to teams with extra goaltenders. I think he might even add another veteran D at near league minimum for extra depth. Time will tell. Agreed. That was the angle of my post as well. Like Bear and Jones became expendable for other upgrades, if Turris is playing well but we don't have enough minutes for everyone, then we can make a goalie trade without blowing a hole in the roster. Not saying it has to be Turris either, but another guy playing well gives us that flexibility. The better the whole team plays gives the Oilers more options, I like options. I bet the coaching staff likes more options even better and ditto for management. Like I say every year, training camp is going to be fun to watch seeing how the young Oilers are progressing and the kind of shape the returning vets are in.
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