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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 16:11:22 GMT -7
Really my cousin is a Doctor in BC and my sister in law is a operating room Nurse in Edmonton who works with a couple of the best Orthopedic surgeons. They both have expressed absolutely the opposite of your claims. I can even include my own Doctor. I would see no reason as to why they would feed me B.S as you suggest. I also do not see how 50 doctors would be a majority? Point is, there are Doctors and medical staff who will not get the vaccine. if it turns out these practitioners are used by the teams will they now change who does treatments based on mandates? What about the 96% that the AMA is stating? And yes, if the employer says vax or don't work, they will change. And some will find the hill they will fight and die on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 16:16:11 GMT -7
To Clarify, only Drs who got their certification from kelloggs . I personally know close to 50 doctors and every single one of them was double jabbed months ago, so I can personally call B.S. on this. Same here. I have many friends and family members in the medical field. Physicians to surgeons to ER doctors to nurses. Every single one of them got the vaccine as early as they could have, and pushed me to get the vaccine as well. I got both my shots by the end of May. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 13, 2021 16:21:04 GMT -7
Same here. I have many friends and family members in the medical field. Physicians to surgeons to ER doctors to nurses. Every single one of them got the vaccine as early as they could have, and pushed me to get the vaccine as well. I got both my shots by the end of May. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk View Attachment Why do you have to resort to attacks? Shows your character and maturity. And for some reason, it always ends up being you on this board that resorts to insults. Looks like some people can never change. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 16:27:38 GMT -7
Why do you have to resort to attacks? Shows your character and maturity. And for some reason, it always ends up being you on this board that resorts to insults. Looks like some people can never change. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Sorry if the humor gives you vaccine guilt. Wow
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Post by drtaf on Aug 13, 2021 16:27:52 GMT -7
Really my cousin is a Doctor in BC and my sister in law is a operating room Nurse in Edmonton who works with a couple of the best Orthopedic surgeons. They both have expressed absolutely the opposite of your claims. I can even include my own Doctor. I would see no reason as to why they would feed me B.S as you suggest. I also do not see how 50 doctors would be a majority? Point is, there are Doctors and medical staff who will not get the vaccine. if it turns out these practitioners are used by the teams will they now change who does treatments based on mandates? What about the 96% that the AMA is stating? And yes, if the employer says vax or don't work, they will change. I hate to humblebrag but I teach pharmacology and Neuroscience to med students ie our future doctors, and I’ve done this on 3 different continents since COVID started and despite spending way too much time in research hospitals, I’ve yet to come across a single doctor who hasn’t been vaccinated. I’m sure there are a few out there including your cousin and that disbarred guy you quoted, but there will always be exceptions to every rule. Personally, I got vaccinated ASAP but I respect that people have the right to refuse it for whatever reason they choose. Unfortunately, if they do catch COVID and have to be hospitalized or in ICU, they put a burden on the healthcare system that is already close to being overwhelmed before COVID even existed. I t would be unethical to not treat them and I’m not sure billing them would work either so we can only hope natural selection takes over. As for NHL teams mandating their workers to be jabbed, that is their right and the employees have a right to find other lines of work, including nhl players who refuse to get vaccinated
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 16:28:04 GMT -7
Didn't realize you were American. In Canada we don't have a 1st amendment.
And yeah, tough to sell debate scheduling while people are dying by the hundreds of thousands all over the world.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 16:28:56 GMT -7
What about the 96% that the AMA is stating? And yes, if the employer says vax or don't work, they will change. And some will find the hill they will fight and die on. Yup. The freedom of choice. Won't be a fight though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 16:30:43 GMT -7
Didn't realize you were American. In Canada we don't have a 1st amendment. And yeah, tough to sell debate scheduling while people are dying by the hundreds of thousands all over the world. Would that be vaccinated and the .04 unvaccinated?
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 16:33:04 GMT -7
Why do you have to resort to attacks? Shows your character and maturity. And for some reason, it always ends up being you on this board that resorts to insults. Looks like some people can never change. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Sorry if the humor gives you vaccine guilt. Wow I managed to point out that you think you're smarter than 96% of American doctors, without being insulting. Wasn't it you who said, 'Isn't there room for debate?'
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 16:36:12 GMT -7
Didn't realize you were American. In Canada we don't have a 1st amendment. And yeah, tough to sell debate scheduling while people are dying by the hundreds of thousands all over the world. Would that be vaccinated and the .04 unvaccinated? I guess I assumed you would like these debates to happen once Covid became apparent, months before vaccines and mandates. So, perhaps you could explain when these debates of science and policy should have taken place?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 16:42:23 GMT -7
And some will find the hill they will fight and die on. Yup. The freedom of choice. Won't be a fight though. Fair enough ,lets revisit in 18 months in the meantime lets see what happens with the jets, the Nhl and the players union.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 17:04:27 GMT -7
Sorry if the humor gives you vaccine guilt. Wow I managed to point out that you think you're smarter than 96% of American doctors, without being insulting. Wasn't it you who said, 'Isn't there room for debate?' 96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 13, 2021 17:08:02 GMT -7
I managed to point out that you think you're smarter than 96% of American doctors, without being insulting. Wasn't it you who said, 'Isn't there room for debate?' 96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough. Here you go. www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 13, 2021 17:13:52 GMT -7
I managed to point out that you think you're smarter than 96% of American doctors, without being insulting. Wasn't it you who said, 'Isn't there room for debate?' 96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough. You're bringing unsubstantiated conspiracy theories in this now? It's been debunked about Fauci and the patents. The patents that the conspiracy are referring to are actually owned by the Department of Health and Human services. They deal with a potential treatment for HIV that NIAID researchers studied in 2008. Fauci is listed as an author on those patents. As for Bill Gates, I have found ZERO proof that he said that. I'd like to see and hear those words come out of his mouth, not read that someone heard that another person saw Bill Gates say this, before I come to a conclusion on that. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 17:14:59 GMT -7
What about the 96% that the AMA is stating? And yes, if the employer says vax or don't work, they will change. I hate to humblebrag but I teach pharmacology and Neuroscience to med students ie our future doctors, and I’ve done this on 3 different continents since COVID started and despite spending way too much time in research hospitals, I’ve yet to come across a single doctor who hasn’t been vaccinated. I’m sure there are a few out there including your cousin and that disbarred guy you quoted, but there will always be exceptions to every rule. Personally, I got vaccinated ASAP but I respect that people have the right to refuse it for whatever reason they choose. Unfortunately, if they do catch COVID and have to be hospitalized or in ICU, they put a burden on the healthcare system that is already close to being overwhelmed before COVID even existed. I t would be unethical to not treat them and I’m not sure billing them would work either so we can only hope natural selection takes over. As for NHL teams mandating their workers to be jabbed, that is their right and the employees have a right to find other lines of work, including nhl players who refuse to get vaccinated So applying your theory should we be supporting Vaccinated death and injuries as well with these health care dollars or will natural selection also take place by auto immune response? Yes, getting back to The NHL.... all I stated was it will be interesting to watch how this unfolds with these mandates...okay fans and employees are vaccinated, but if the players and their unions fight this I suggested it will probably cause legal challenges from employees to fans because it will be a two tier mandate. I think it has to be across the board or none at all to survive the legal challenges that will come. Fog also suggested this is going to be crazy in America as well because different states have different rules.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 17:18:07 GMT -7
96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough. Here you go. www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19 CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated. 96% +45% = 100% That is some great AMA Math.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 17:41:57 GMT -7
96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough. You're bringing unsubstantiated conspiracy theories in this now? It's been debunked about Fauci and the patents. The patents that the conspiracy are referring to are actually owned by the Department of Health and Human services. They deal with a potential treatment for HIV that NIAID researchers studied in 2008. Fauci is listed as an author on those patents. As for Bill Gates, I have found ZERO proof that he said that. I'd like to see and hear those words come out of his mouth, not read that someone heard that another person saw Bill Gates say this, before I come to a conclusion on that. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk Did you forget you do not like my character and think I'm here to insult... it was humor and sorry if you took offense to it. This subject is not as clear cut as it should be and to raise questions is not unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.... I think there is legit data that needs to be addressed and from what I have witnessed is this pandemic has been mismanaged and there are several clear cut examples of messaging then retractions from those giving the messages... The same can be said for the data.... I think there needs to be open debate by the experts and not just one narrative that seems to change weekly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 18:05:47 GMT -7
Bauer is suppose to Have a Covid helmet coming with full face shield or splash guard so maybe this helps the players?
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Post by drtaf on Aug 13, 2021 19:10:01 GMT -7
Is it made from aluminum?🤷♂️😂
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Post by mrtea on Aug 13, 2021 19:13:22 GMT -7
I managed to point out that you think you're smarter than 96% of American doctors, without being insulting. Wasn't it you who said, 'Isn't there room for debate?' 96% of Doctors do not support this. I think the data is showing concerns and previous vaccines had no where near these numbers of incidents or deaths compared to Covid 19. I think the animal testing and literature clearly state not for human trials. The Human trials are being conducted now...CDC and Vaers have both been caught suppressing data, that is alarming to say the least. The inventor of the PCR test claims this test is being abused and levels are being turned up to high to be accurate. I think it is personal choice to be vaccinated or not. I think media is going out of their way to make one narrative on the subject... I think free lottery tickets, ice cream, movie tickets and apple itune cards to enhance people to get vaccinated is wrong. I think immunity from prosecution is absolutely a red flag here, what are they scared of? When Gates talks about reducing world population to 500 million and Fauci owns the patents and has been giving money to the lab that released this and proceed with gain of function after the United states legislator forbade it is cause for concern here. I think time will be the great debate... I'm just not convinced by the actions I have seen and the data... either this is the most mismanaged Pandemic in the world's history or something is wrong. We will find out soon enough. From reading your posts over these few pages it becomes clear that you are firmly in the conspiracy theory group and seem to be afraid of taking the vaccine. Millions of us have taken the vaccine and we are all fine and now protected from the worst effects of the virus. We are not immune, we can still catch it but should not get any serious symptoms or hospitalization. You too, can safely get the vaccine, there is nothing to worry about. Side notes, because you made so many posts with inaccuracies and that post that went on forever.....well that was just disturbing. Way back you were talking about the vaccine causing mutations. Mutations are caused as new generations of the virus evolve. The virus is made up of RNA which replicates quickly. Mutations to worry about would be if the virus became immune to the vaccine. For the virus to become immune to the vaccine it needs many cycles of mutations. There is more chance of this happening if people do not get vaccinated and let the virus spread more widely. As for doctors not wanting the vaccine, you seem to be the only one with personal experience of more doctors not wanting it. I work at the Moncton city hospital and every doctor I know of has been vaccinated. As a matter of fact the hospital made sure every employee in all the departments were vaccinated. Some departments such as the intensive care units insisted on 100% of the staff be vaccinated or were sent home. Most employees all got vaccinated, even most of the conspiracy theory group although there were a handful of staff that didn't. One was confrontational and was sent home and has not returned. She went on to local fame being arrested in front of City Hall when their mask protest got violent.
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