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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 21, 2021 16:47:16 GMT -7
That is basically saying you will save your best players for the playoffs that you won't make because we are not winning games that the bottom 6 are giving up more goals than they score or even braking even in and not running out the top line over and over to make up for their deficiencies. It's pretty simple if the bottom 6 is outscored on a nightly basis the extra goals have to come from somewhere and they are not going to come with the top two lines sitting on the bench. It is simple, if the bottom 6 is being outscored you either A) need to overhaul your bottom 6 or B) work with them and put them into situations where they'll succeed. Thinking that we can leave them on the bench and hope they improve by watching the top six gets us a first round elimination. Here's the thing though, if we overhaul to a new bottom six group but still rely solely on McDrai? Nothing changes. The new group becomes the old group, just like what we've seen happening the last 5 - 6 years. Here is a suggestion then: We trade McDrai, that gives us 21m cap space, and bring in three genuine top six forwards at an average of 6 to 7m per to play alongside RNH, JP, and Hyman.........plus when Yammo's contract is up, another 1.2m (?) to flow down to the bottom six for strengthening......and when the Neal money is paid, another 1.75m (?) freed up for further strengthening. Get Kosk off the books, another 4.25 saved and if Smith can't play, put Kosk's saving and Smith's salary towards a proper # 1 tender. This GM lark is a piece of cake.
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 22, 2021 5:44:31 GMT -7
Going to be a busy few days so I just wanted to wish all of you a Merry Christmas!!
Sharpie
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Post by windsoroiler on Dec 22, 2021 8:42:35 GMT -7
Merry Christmas everybody, stay safe
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Post by fogolin2 on Dec 22, 2021 8:50:47 GMT -7
Merry Christmas and all the best in 2022 to all of you.
Even though I'm an Fogolin2 sometimes, I appreciate you and what we have here.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 22, 2021 21:33:31 GMT -7
Likewise everyone. Nothing but good wishes to you all and the Oilers and a return to a little more normal times.
(and fair reffing)
Cheers.
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Post by happyhappy on Dec 23, 2021 19:12:09 GMT -7
Happy Holidays Everybody! Stay safe and have fun!! Love you guys!!!
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Post by columbusoiler on Dec 23, 2021 23:27:56 GMT -7
Merry Christmas to you all (especially), and to Oilers fans everywhere.... Everyone else can crap in their hat and wear it backwards, for all I care.... Just kidding.... Well...somewhat kidding. Lol.
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Post by happyhappy on Dec 27, 2021 8:05:43 GMT -7
Hope everyone had a nice Xmas! Back to hockey, maybe. The Show Must Go On says the NHL/PA and so it currently looks as though we will play the Blues on Wednesday to begin what was supposed to be an 8 game roadie but has now turned into a 5 game trip instead with the PPD games out West and vs the Flames. Will be interesting to see how teams navigate through these covid clouds. Taxi squads are back and we should see a glimpse of many AHLers as they get a taste of the big show over the next little while while NHLers go in and out of line-ups. Hope for the best. Looking forward to watching our boys back on the ice. GOG!!
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Post by fogolin2 on Dec 29, 2021 10:41:07 GMT -7
Wait...Are we actually playing tonight?
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Dec 29, 2021 11:23:45 GMT -7
Wait...Are we actually playing tonight? Yessir!
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Post by discostew on Dec 29, 2021 13:45:52 GMT -7
Thats the word. Jrs just got cancelled though so who knows.
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 29, 2021 22:05:37 GMT -7
I like Tipp most of the time but am getting tired of hearing the same post game every time after a loss.
We were around it but ended up chasing the game BS.
Why doesn’t he just say it how it is. Our d was horrible, we have to have more urgency, we need to be more physical, we need to shoot the puck more and actually hit the net, we need to quit turning the puck over in our own end multiple times a shift, we need to minimize the abundance of odd man rushes we give up, also some hustle to the bench would be appreciated when you are going off for a line change to get the fresh player out there quicker. When players see a guy hustling to the bench for a change I think the guy going out goes out with more urgency instead of watching a guy coast to the bench like a hot shot. At these guys age you think they would know the basics of playing hockey. They certainly get paid enough to at least do some of these basics fundamentals.
I would love Tipp to not have these foggy mirrors and just be honest. Half the time I don’t even know what Flames sucking game he is watching. It ain’t the same one I’am.
Rant Over
Maybe
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Post by windsoroiler on Dec 29, 2021 22:14:18 GMT -7
Sammy not a good NHL start. Responsible for the 1st two goals. Didn't play after and we were stuck with 5 D for 3/4 of the game.
Reinforcements are coming. Pulj and Nurse, badly needed.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 30, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -7
Watching last nights game it became apparent that there’s only 2 things we need to improve on to become a top contending team.
1. Our play without the puck. 2. Our play with the puck.
Wish I was kidding.
In particular, I watched our passing. You can time the speed of the passes with a sundial. Speed of passes is a metric for team confidence. When you have none, the tendency is to try and slow the game down when you should be trying to speed it up. Speeding the passes up forces better passes, too. There was a ton that if not in the skates, they were off enough that it made the receiver change speed.
The other thing I noticed with passing is that when our d or Smitty retrieved the puck, they often hit a forward who was coming back to our zone meaning the forward had to change direction to be going the right way. Indicative of a forward group that’s not coming back hard or fast enough.
I dunno. Maybe showing them more videotape will work?
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 30, 2021 11:59:03 GMT -7
Watching last nights game it became apparent that there’s only 2 things we need to improve on to become a top contending team. 1. Our play without the puck. 2. Our play with the puck. Wish I was kidding. In particular, I watched our passing. You can time the speed of the passes with a sundial. Speed of passes is a metric for team confidence. When you have none, the tendency is to try and slow the game down when you should be trying to speed it up. Speeding the passes up forces better passes, too. There was a ton that if not in the skates, they were off enough that it made the receiver change speed. The other thing I noticed with passing is that when our d or Smitty retrieved the puck, they often hit a forward who was coming back to our zone meaning the forward had to change direction to be going the right way. Indicative of a forward group that’s not coming back hard or fast enough. I dunno. Maybe showing them more videotape will work? I agree with all of this. Often our breakout pass is going to a forward who is going in the wrong direction. Also a lot of hesitation with our breakout passes. Probably because our forwards are cheating for offence way the hell up the ice not leaving the d any good options. We also play around with the puck for too long in our end. Almost asking for them to come get it from us which happens often. This is also because the forwards are way too far up the ice. If we watch the Blues on their breakouts they always had a ton of support f on the forwards making nice short passes. Their forwards were way deeper in the d zone then ours were. It makes it much easier for dmen to make quick passes and get out of this ur zone. Hope our forwards learn that one of these days!
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Post by drtaf on Dec 30, 2021 12:49:05 GMT -7
Watching last nights game it became apparent that there’s only 2 things we need to improve on to become a top contending team. 1. Our play without the puck. 2. Our play with the puck. Wish I was kidding. In particular, I watched our passing. You can time the speed of the passes with a sundial. Speed of passes is a metric for team confidence. When you have none, the tendency is to try and slow the game down when you should be trying to speed it up. Speeding the passes up forces better passes, too. There was a ton that if not in the skates, they were off enough that it made the receiver change speed. The other thing I noticed with passing is that when our d or Smitty retrieved the puck, they often hit a forward who was coming back to our zone meaning the forward had to change direction to be going the right way. Indicative of a forward group that’s not coming back hard or fast enough. I dunno. Maybe showing them more videotape will work? I agree with all of this. Often our breakout pass is going to a forward who is going in the wrong direction. Also a lot of hesitation with our breakout passes. Probably because our forwards are cheating for offence way the hell up the ice not leaving the d any good options. We also play around with the puck for too long in our end. Almost asking for them to come get it from us which happens often. This is also because the forwards are way too far up the ice. If we watch the Blues on their breakouts they always had a ton of support f on the forwards making nice short passes. Their forwards were way deeper in the d zone then ours were. It makes it much easier for dmen to make quick passes and get out of this ur zone. Hope our forwards learn that one of these days! Sounds to me like a coaching problem, although in fairness, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to determine whether the players KH brought in to "help the team" are actually better or worse than what we had last year? The million dollar question that is starting to loom large for KH is: Are the players he brought in just not that good? Or are they not reaching their potential because of the coaching and systems? 1 lays the blame at his own feet, the other lays it at the feet of Tipp? Something gotta give soon, because unless the team turns this around, we wont even make the playoffs, nvm get past the first round, which was the minimum requirement at the start of the season and anything less, has to be considered an abject failure
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 30, 2021 17:51:07 GMT -7
I agree with all of this. Often our breakout pass is going to a forward who is going in the wrong direction. Also a lot of hesitation with our breakout passes. Probably because our forwards are cheating for offence way the hell up the ice not leaving the d any good options. We also play around with the puck for too long in our end. Almost asking for them to come get it from us which happens often. This is also because the forwards are way too far up the ice. If we watch the Blues on their breakouts they always had a ton of support f on the forwards making nice short passes. Their forwards were way deeper in the d zone then ours were. It makes it much easier for dmen to make quick passes and get out of this ur zone. Hope our forwards learn that one of these days! Sounds to me like a coaching problem, although in fairness, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to determine whether the players KH brought in to "help the team" are actually better or worse than what we had last year? The million dollar question that is starting to loom large for KH is: Are the players he brought in just not that good? Or are they not reaching their potential because of the coaching and systems? 1 lays the blame at his own feet, the other lays it at the feet of Tipp? Something gotta give soon, because unless the team turns this around, we wont even make the playoffs, nvm get past the first round, which was the minimum requirement at the start of the season and anything less, has to be considered an abject failure Thing is I hear Tipp saying the right things. I’m not sure what he does? Bench players and then they ask to get traded (right before he gets fired). Need someone to light a fire under the players asses, and that should be coming from player leadership. Gully did it a few times as head coach with the Flames and while successful, it was short lived.
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Post by drtaf on Dec 30, 2021 21:06:18 GMT -7
Sounds to me like a coaching problem, although in fairness, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to determine whether the players KH brought in to "help the team" are actually better or worse than what we had last year? The million dollar question that is starting to loom large for KH is: Are the players he brought in just not that good? Or are they not reaching their potential because of the coaching and systems? 1 lays the blame at his own feet, the other lays it at the feet of Tipp? Something gotta give soon, because unless the team turns this around, we wont even make the playoffs, nvm get past the first round, which was the minimum requirement at the start of the season and anything less, has to be considered an abject failure Thing is I hear Tipp saying the right things. I’m not sure what he does? Bench players and then they ask to get traded (right before he gets fired). Need someone to light a fire under the players asses, and that should be coming from player leadership. Gully did it a few times as head coach with the Flames and while successful, it was short lived. Tbh AO, Tipp says the same things after every loss and yet we keep repeating the same mistakes, so either they’re not listening or his delivery sucks🤷♂️ I tend to agree that the big guys don’t seem to take him seriously with regards to their back checking role and I’m not sure how he can command their respect now? He either had it at the beginning and lost it or never had it to begin with, But this team needs a coach who can make McDrai, Nurse etc, sit up and pay attention and do exactly what he tells them to do and there aren’t too many coaches out there that have that kind of respect and pedigree so not sure what kh can do in short term except trade a big piece and shake them up!
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Post by yuke on Dec 30, 2021 22:17:17 GMT -7
Tippet (or any other coach) is in a tough position. How do you get Draisaitl and Connor to play defense first hockey when offense is their bread and butter. It not only affects their egos but endorsements etc. I wish Oilers somehow could have grabbed a Getzlaf type to play with them for a year or two. A coach won't get them to play that style but a player thats been there can. Starting to sound like Torts was maybe onto something.
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Post by drtaf on Dec 30, 2021 23:01:02 GMT -7
Tippet (or any other coach) is in a tough position. How do you get Draisaitl and Connor to play defense first hockey when offense is their bread and butter. It not only affects their egos but endorsements etc. I wish Oilers somehow could have grabbed a Getzlaf type to play with them for a year or two. A coach won't get them to play that style but a player thats been there can. Starting to sound like Torts was maybe onto something. [br Quite a few of us were hoping we could entice a getzlaf type in off-season and I’ve no idea who was available but KH chose Keith and imo that has turned out to be a big mistake. Idk how much Keith has helped the young D (it did look like he gave Sami plenty of pointers last night🤣) but our leader on D is nurse. whether you agree with it or not is moot. Keith is just an over priced under performing older, rapidly slowing D-man. We could have got Character much cheaper and even though he’s also getting too slow, you’d know he’d keep guys at least 10ths from our blue paint and anyone mess with our young D, he’d glare at them and they’d never dream of doing it again. Bottom line, I agree Yuke, we need players who have the Gravitas to explain to McDrai what it takes to wind and kh picked the wrong guys and he’s as much to blame as Tipp at this point in time.
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