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Post by drtaf on Dec 30, 2021 23:01:47 GMT -7
*Chara
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Post by yuke on Dec 30, 2021 23:21:08 GMT -7
Tippet (or any other coach) is in a tough position. How do you get Draisaitl and Connor to play defense first hockey when offense is their bread and butter. It not only affects their egos but endorsements etc. I wish Oilers somehow could have grabbed a Getzlaf type to play with them for a year or two. A coach won't get them to play that style but a player thats been there can. Starting to sound like Torts was maybe onto something. [br Quite a few of us were hoping we could entice a getzlaf type in off-season and I’ve no idea who was available but KH chose Keith and imo that has turned out to be a big mistake. Idk how much Keith has helped the young D (it did look like he gave Sami plenty of pointers last night🤣) but our leader on D is nurse. whether you agree with it or not is moot. Keith is just an over priced under performing older, rapidly slowing D-man. We could have got Character much cheaper and even though he’s also getting too slow, you’d know he’d keep guys at least 10ths from our blue paint and anyone mess with our young D, he’d glare at them and they’d never dream of doing it again. Bottom line, I agree Yuke, we need players who have the Gravitas to explain to McDrai what it takes to wind and kh picked the wrong guys and he’s as much to blame as Tipp at this point in time. I reserve my opinion on Keith until we get the full D back in place and hit playoffs🤞.
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Post by windsoroiler on Dec 31, 2021 0:35:42 GMT -7
Keith had a poor game last night but he played 26-27 minutes. Of course that's too much time but Sammy got sat...
No one likes Keith's cap hit but in real dollars he is making 2.1 mil this year and 1.5 mil next year in actual dollars. If he can be a leader, a good 2nd pairing D that plays 20 minutes a night max then we have very good value (aside from the cap hit of course).
Nurse/Bouch Keith/Ceci Barrie/Koekk
That's a good NHL defense in my opinion. As mentioned much of the time the forwards need to come back and support the D as well. As we were scoring almost 5 goals per game for a good stretch it makes playing the run and gun style tempting. Everyone loves it plus the winning... As games get tighter or we score much less the run and gun style no longer works. Now the Oilers are not outscoring their mistakes. For now, either play better as a 5 man unit or start lighting it up again.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 31, 2021 0:39:59 GMT -7
Thing is I hear Tipp saying the right things. I’m not sure what he does? Bench players and then they ask to get traded (right before he gets fired). Need someone to light a fire under the players asses, and that should be coming from player leadership. Gully did it a few times as head coach with the Flames and while successful, it was short lived. Tbh AO, Tipp says the same things after every loss and yet we keep repeating the same mistakes, so either they’re not listening or his delivery sucks🤷♂️ I tend to agree that the big guys don’t seem to take him seriously with regards to their back checking role and I’m not sure how he can command their respect now? He either had it at the beginning and lost it or never had it to begin with, But this team needs a coach who can make McDrai, Nurse etc, sit up and pay attention and do exactly what he tells them to do and there aren’t too many coaches out there that have that kind of respect and pedigree so not sure what kh can do in short term except trade a big piece and shake them up! Yeah agree 100%. That’s what I was kinda getting at with the “I dunno. Maybe showing them more videotape will work?” sarcastic comment earlier.
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Post by yuke on Dec 31, 2021 6:08:29 GMT -7
Keith had a poor game last night but he played 26-27 minutes. Of course that's too much time but Sammy got sat... No one likes Keith's cap hit but in real dollars he is making 2.1 mil this year and 1.5 mil next year in actual dollars. If he can be a leader, a good 2nd pairing D that plays 20 minutes a night max then we have very good value (aside from the cap hit of course). Nurse/Bouch Keith/Ceci Barrie/Koekk That's a good NHL defense in my opinion. As mentioned much of the time the forwards need to come back and support the D as well. As we were scoring almost 5 goals per game for a good stretch it makes playing the run and gun style tempting. Everyone loves it plus the winning... As games get tighter or we score much less the run and gun style no longer works. Now the Oilers are not outscoring their mistakes. For now, either play better as a 5 man unit or start lighting it up again. Sammy should have been sat.
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Post by happyhappy on Dec 31, 2021 7:27:36 GMT -7
11 a.m. mst game today. JP, Nurse, and Lags return. Smith starts. Jersey lost six in a row prior to the break but squeezed out a 4-3 win in Buffalo in their first game back on Weds. Should be an easy two points for us but cmon now, when does that ever happen lol. 4-2 road crew GOG!!
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Post by drtaf on Dec 31, 2021 9:39:08 GMT -7
[br Quite a few of us were hoping we could entice a getzlaf type in off-season and I’ve no idea who was available but KH chose Keith and imo that has turned out to be a big mistake. Idk how much Keith has helped the young D (it did look like he gave Sami plenty of pointers last night🤣) but our leader on D is nurse. whether you agree with it or not is moot. Keith is just an over priced under performing older, rapidly slowing D-man. We could have got Character much cheaper and even though he’s also getting too slow, you’d know he’d keep guys at least 10ths from our blue paint and anyone mess with our young D, he’d glare at them and they’d never dream of doing it again. Bottom line, I agree Yuke, we need players who have the Gravitas to explain to McDrai what it takes to wind and kh picked the wrong guys and he’s as much to blame as Tipp at this point in time. I reserve my opinion on Keith until we get the full D back in place and hit playoffs🤞. PLAYOFFS?? PLAYOFFS?? You wanna talk to me about playoffs?? I just hope we can win a game!🤣🤣 I apologize, I don’t know how to post video memes otherwise that might be funnier. Seriously though, we’ve now lost all the “grace” points we built up, we are hanging to the last playoff spot by a thread with at least 4 teams behind us breathing down our necks. I kinda agree that on paper that’s not a bad D and I definitely agree that D is a a 6 player not 2 player concept and until the forwards help out, we will look mediocre and not go anywhere. It would help to have an all star goalie as well but just don’t see that anywhere on horizon? I also don’t see the forwards listening to Tipp’s mantra of D first and we don’t have a forward leader to explain it to them either, so what are we going to do about that? Next 3 games are very winnable and in fact we should win a lot more games in January than lose (on paper) so let’s see if we come out of January in a better position or at least still in playoff spot. As for Keith, I like the guy and badly want him to succeed but so far I only see intangibles and ironically, intangibles are invisible so maybe it’s all fantasy?
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Post by fogolin2 on Dec 31, 2021 14:36:20 GMT -7
Edmonton Oilers “Interviews” @edmoilersthots · 12m "It was a weird game. It was early as Mangiapane, the anthem singer didn't know the words to O Canada and the refs had a water cooler meeting picking their butts for 10 minutes talking bout whose wife made the best Christmas mashed potatoes. Onto the next one tomorrow"- Connor McDavid
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Post by sharptooth on Dec 31, 2021 14:49:08 GMT -7
Edmonton Oilers “Interviews” @edmoilersthots · 12m "It was a weird game. It was early as Monahan, the anthem singer didn't know the words to O Canada and the refs had a water cooler meeting picking their butts for 10 minutes talking bout whose wife made the best Christmas mashed potatoes. Onto the next one tomorrow"- Connor McDavid The other team had to play early as well. I hate that excuse but the rest is funny.
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Post by Bronco73 on Dec 31, 2021 16:00:02 GMT -7
Edmonton Oilers “Interviews” @edmoilersthots · 12m "It was a weird game. It was early as Monahan, the anthem singer didn't know the words to O Canada and the refs had a water cooler meeting picking their butts for 10 minutes talking bout whose wife made the best Christmas mashed potatoes. Onto the next one tomorrow"- Connor McDavid The other team had to play early as well. I hate that excuse but the rest is funny. While that's true, it is worse for western teams to play early in eastern canada than it is the other way around. To the Oilers it was still 11:00 AM
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Post by igibb on Dec 31, 2021 16:08:14 GMT -7
Unfortunately, the time of day has ZERO to do with the Oilers not showing up for the first 10-20 minutes of about 2/3 of their games this year.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 31, 2021 19:09:19 GMT -7
Unfortunately, the time of day has ZERO to do with the Oilers not showing up for the first 10-20 minutes of about 2/3 of their games this year. Sadly this is true..........and most games it is the other team that initially shows a serious threat/chance/shot on goal.....very rarely do the Oilers show early intent or even look like scoring an early goal. According to Jack Michaels, the Oilers have conceded the first goal in 18 of their last 22 games. If you tossed a coin in the air 22 times, it would be highly unlikely to come down on the same side 18 times. Something is drastically wrong with the pre-game preparation of this hockey team........not to mention something is drastically wrong with the defensive mentality of this hockey team. Hence, the logical conclusion to come to is that something is drastically wrong with the coaching of this hockey team. Methinks we need a managerial/coaching clear out, starting with the burger guy Nicholson......(I think that is his name).
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 31, 2021 19:10:15 GMT -7
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Post by sharptooth on Jan 1, 2022 7:14:03 GMT -7
It would be nice if we start this one on time. Also please don’t take the first penalty. Please Koski don’t let in the first shot. Or a weak one for that matter.
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Post by pillotte on Jan 1, 2022 9:59:19 GMT -7
Just play hockey OR PLAY HOCKEY WITH PASSION. I'm not seeing the latter with the entire team right now. The leaders have to inject that ingredient. They need something to get them off they're butts. I've been a Tipp fan but maybe ............!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by drtaf on Jan 1, 2022 11:00:14 GMT -7
It would be nice if we start this one on time. Also please don’t take the first penalty. Please Koski don’t let in the first shot. Or a weak one for that matter. What Sharpie said🤣 I might miss most of todays game, early starts don’t fit well into my schedule but I’ll be keeping and eye on scoreboard and hope the good guys put a convincing win together. Scratch that, any win’ll do SO, I don’t care🤣
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Post by fogolin2 on Jan 1, 2022 12:07:18 GMT -7
Just play hockey OR PLAY HOCKEY WITH PASSION. I'm not seeing the latter with the entire team right now. The leaders have to inject that ingredient. They need something to get them off they're butts. I've been a Tipp fan but maybe ............!!!!!!!!!! Agreed P. Need 29-97-25 to go out and impose our game in them. Just doesn't seem to be their style. Hyman seems to get it, so maybe the guys follow him?
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Jan 1, 2022 13:30:48 GMT -7
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 1, 2022 14:49:23 GMT -7
Unfortunately, the time of day has ZERO to do with the Oilers not showing up for the first 10-20 minutes of about 2/3 of their games this year. Sadly this is true..........and most games it is the other team that initially shows a serious threat/chance/shot on goal.....very rarely do the Oilers show early intent or even look like scoring an early goal. According to Jack Michaels, the Oilers have conceded the first goal in 18 of their last 22 games. If you tossed a coin in the air 22 times, it would be highly unlikely to come down on the same side 18 times. Something is drastically wrong with the pre-game preparation of this hockey team........not to mention something is drastically wrong with the defensive mentality of this hockey team. Hence, the logical conclusion to come to is that something is drastically wrong with the coaching of this hockey team. Methinks we need a managerial/coaching clear out, starting with the burger guy Nicholson......(I think that is his name). That would be 19 of their last 23 games now. Incidentally, the Oilers have also taken the first penalty in 18 of their last 23 games. No biggie though, at least we have the power play to rely on... we've gotten 2 power plays in the 3 games so far this road trip.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jan 1, 2022 14:58:27 GMT -7
I know we won a few early that we didn't deserve, but I didn't see a skid like this coming.
From Dec 1 through Jan 1 we averaged 2.75 goals per game. Including 4 games where we scored 5. Terrible production from a team that was close to the top in scoring.
Our 3-7-2 record in that time goes with our lack of scoring. Awful.
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