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Post by mrtea on Apr 20, 2022 13:55:00 GMT -7
"He is working out great, we better extend him" San Jose Sharks, 2018 He has worked out great for the Oilers, should probably quit while they are ahead and invest their cap money elsewhere in the offseason before he turns into the problem he has been with his previous teams. Did you say that about Kassian? People change. People change, they mature and get faced with new situations that can make them revisit past attitudes from new perspectives. At first I was against signing Evander Kane, just the notion of Kane in the Oiler dressing room made me cringe. That was before I new much about Evander Kane other than what the media reported about him in the past. Now I see a hockey player who seems to want to keep playing hockey and also wants to try and put the media circus days behind him. It appears to me that Kane appreciates the opportunity he has here to revitalize his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he signed here longer term to a bit of a hometown discount. Contrary to what Drtaf writes, Kane did not just fall into Holland's lap. When news broke that San Jose was severing Kane's contract, Holland was the first and only GM reported extending an offer to Kane. The second day another couple of GM's made inquiries, but only one other was a serious offer. Yes Kane's first choice was the Oilers, but Holland did not hesitate to make the statement that he believed in second chances public. Holland handled the situation much the same way he handled the Puljujarvi episode, believing in giving the person a second chance.
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Post by drtaf on Apr 20, 2022 14:32:45 GMT -7
Did you say that about Kassian? People change. People change, they mature and get faced with new situations that can make them revisit past attitudes from new perspectives. At first I was against signing Evander Kane, just the notion of Kane in the Oiler dressing room made me cringe. That was before I new much about Evander Kane other than what the media reported about him in the past. Now I see a hockey player who seems to want to keep playing hockey and also wants to try and put the media circus days behind him. It appears to me that Kane appreciates the opportunity he has here to revitalize his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he signed here longer term to a bit of a hometown discount. Contrary to what Drtaf writes, Kane did not just fall into Holland's lap. When news broke that San Jose was severing Kane's contract, Holland was the first and only GM reported extending an offer to Kane. The second day another couple of GM's made inquiries, but only one other was a serious offer. Yes Kane's first choice was the Oilers, but Holland did not hesitate to make the statement that he believed in second chances public. Holland handled the situation much the same way he handled the Puljujarvi episode, believing in giving the person a second chance. I guess "falling into his lap" may not be the right phrase, but it was a low risk - high reward scenario that fitted perfectly into what this team desperately needed. So IMO KH took the bet knowing it had a 50% chance of coming up snake eyes with the downside of wasting a little money and cap space for a few months, or a 50% chance of getting a proven top 6 power forward to play with McD for the remainder of the season and playoffs. I'm not much of a gambler, but I'd take that bet given the situation the oilers were in at the time. Others may not have because they werent as desperate as KH was? For the record, I applauded the move immediately as I felt it was a "nothing to lose, everything to gain" scenario. I also believe in 2nd chances and TBH, most of what I've heard really negative about Kane has come from a disgruntled Ex-wife who lost custody of their child to Kane which to me speaks volumes about her character more than his (Knowing how the legal system works). I also stated that now that he is the custodian and father of a very young Daughter, it may be just what he needs to mature as nothing shocks you into reality like being a parent. Bottom line: it turned out to be a good move by KH, but it wasn't exactly "akin to finding Lidstrom in the 10th round GM of the year stuff" was my only point!
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Post by pillotte on Apr 20, 2022 14:48:43 GMT -7
Speaking of Kane and his meeting with the NHL. It was supposedly extended. Is he back and playing tonite?
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Post by mrtea on Apr 20, 2022 16:34:25 GMT -7
People change, they mature and get faced with new situations that can make them revisit past attitudes from new perspectives. At first I was against signing Evander Kane, just the notion of Kane in the Oiler dressing room made me cringe. That was before I new much about Evander Kane other than what the media reported about him in the past. Now I see a hockey player who seems to want to keep playing hockey and also wants to try and put the media circus days behind him. It appears to me that Kane appreciates the opportunity he has here to revitalize his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he signed here longer term to a bit of a hometown discount. Contrary to what Drtaf writes, Kane did not just fall into Holland's lap. When news broke that San Jose was severing Kane's contract, Holland was the first and only GM reported extending an offer to Kane. The second day another couple of GM's made inquiries, but only one other was a serious offer. Yes Kane's first choice was the Oilers, but Holland did not hesitate to make the statement that he believed in second chances public. Holland handled the situation much the same way he handled the Puljujarvi episode, believing in giving the person a second chance. I guess "falling into his lap" may not be the right phrase, but it was a low risk - high reward scenario that fitted perfectly into what this team desperately needed. So IMO KH took the bet knowing it had a 50% chance of coming up snake eyes with the downside of wasting a little money and cap space for a few months, or a 50% chance of getting a proven top 6 power forward to play with McD for the remainder of the season and playoffs. I'm not much of a gambler, but I'd take that bet given the situation the oilers were in at the time. Others may not have because they werent as desperate as KH was? For the record, I applauded the move immediately as I felt it was a "nothing to lose, everything to gain" scenario. I also believe in 2nd chances and TBH, most of what I've heard really negative about Kane has come from a disgruntled Ex-wife who lost custody of their child to Kane which to me speaks volumes about her character more than his (Knowing how the legal system works). I also stated that now that he is the custodian and father of a very young Daughter, it may be just what he needs to mature as nothing shocks you into reality like being a parent. Bottom line: it turned out to be a good move by KH, but it wasn't exactly "akin to finding Lidstrom in the 10th round GM of the year stuff" was my only point!
Nothing to get worked up about, I was just pointing out that on numerous occasions you have refused to give Holland any credit for signing Kane. Your above comments paint a more accurate picture than "fell into his lap". On Kane and many other subjects we have similar views, but when it comes to Holland we differ. When it comes to Holland it seems you will only grudgingly admit to any good moves. For example, recently you wrote that for you to admit he was a good GM, the Oilers would have to win the conference title. Don't you think that is a lot to ask for from any GM? There are GM's out there that have teams that are contenders and had already strong lineups and others with lots of cap space to make moves that won't make it to the conference finals. How many holes did this team have two seasons ago with hardly any cap space to work with? How many holes did we have coming into this season? A lot, and they were big holes. Look at where we are right now and how the team looks. It could be better, but it looks pretty damn good with all things considered! Yes the Kane saga helped and all the rookies transitioning into NHL'ers have helped, but being the GM and making the decisions on who is ready when and when to gamble is a tough job. If the Oilers make it to the second round, that means there are only eight teams left in the whole league. We would probably rank anywhere from 4th to 8th, that is pretty damn good when you stop to consider the amount of holes that had to be filled to get us there. The Gm gives the team and the coaching staff the best players he can to get the team into the playoffs, but then he can only watch and see how it plays out. I'm not trying to be a ball buster, but Holland deserves a little love every once in a while also. All the best drtaf, there are many more subjects that we see the same than not.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 20, 2022 16:56:09 GMT -7
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 20, 2022 17:04:46 GMT -7
"He is working out great, we better extend him" San Jose Sharks, 2018 He has worked out great for the Oilers, should probably quit while they are ahead and invest their cap money elsewhere in the offseason before he turns into the problem he has been with his previous teams. What other power forward can we afford and will move to Edmonton? We shop in the bargain bin so we better try to hold on to the good ones that we find.
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 20, 2022 17:10:20 GMT -7
Sheesh. Didn't even know about that one....welp, hopefully its all behind him. Regardless of his hockey future.
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Post by pillotte on Apr 20, 2022 20:27:56 GMT -7
Speaking of Kane and his meeting with the NHL. It was supposedly extended. Is he back and playing tonite? WHEW!!!! Thank goodness for private fast jets.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 20, 2022 20:33:36 GMT -7
Speaking of Kane and his meeting with the NHL. It was supposedly extended. Is he back and playing tonite? WHEW!!!! Thank goodness for private fast jets. hah! You answered your question!
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Post by BoomnotBust on May 17, 2022 16:39:30 GMT -7
"He is working out great, we better extend him" San Jose Sharks, 2018 He has worked out great for the Oilers, should probably quit while they are ahead and invest their cap money elsewhere in the offseason before he turns into the problem he has been with his previous teams. Did you say that about Kassian? People change. I didn't as he had less reocurrences in his past. What is more common than people changing is people staying the same. I just see a long term deal as a risk. Don't want to take anything away from what Kane has done here, he has been dynamite.
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Post by BoomnotBust on May 17, 2022 16:45:49 GMT -7
"He is working out great, we better extend him" San Jose Sharks, 2018 He has worked out great for the Oilers, should probably quit while they are ahead and invest their cap money elsewhere in the offseason before he turns into the problem he has been with his previous teams. What other power forward can we afford and will move to Edmonton? We shop in the bargain bin so we better try to hold on to the good ones that we find. We probably can't afford one of his caliber as I said I think the better investment would be elsewhere (blueline). I wouldn't assume Kane is signing here either, his stock was low and he had limited options when he did, he signed here played with McDavid now he is going to get paid big time.
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Post by Bronco73 on May 17, 2022 17:36:16 GMT -7
Did you say that about Kassian? People change. I didn't as he had less reocurrences in his past. What is more common than people changing is people staying the same. I just see a long term deal as a risk. Don't want to take anything away from what Kane has done here, he has been dynamite. Well yes good point, and to be fair to Kassian he wasn't accused of the things Kane was. He just went on a major party spree lol.
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Post by igibb on May 25, 2022 16:05:57 GMT -7
Kane's agent tweeting out a bag of money this weekend does not bode well to him taking anything but top dollar and his price keeps going up.
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Post by Bronco73 on May 25, 2022 16:24:54 GMT -7
Kane's agent tweeting out a bag of money this weekend does not bode well to him taking anything but top dollar and his price keeps going up. I scrolled through his (Dan Milstein) twitter page, all the way back to January. I couldn't find the bag of money tweet you are speaking about. Where was this? Maybe not on his twitter?
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Post by igibb on May 25, 2022 17:13:29 GMT -7
Kane's agent tweeting out a bag of money this weekend does not bode well to him taking anything but top dollar and his price keeps going up. I scrolled through his (Dan Milstein) twitter page, all the way back to January. I couldn't find the bag of money tweet you are speaking about. Where was this? Maybe not on his twitter? Given the time it was probably shortly after Kane scored his third goal.
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Post by Bronco73 on May 25, 2022 17:37:19 GMT -7
I scrolled through his (Dan Milstein) twitter page, all the way back to January. I couldn't find the bag of money tweet you are speaking about. Where was this? Maybe not on his twitter? Given the time it was probably shortly after Kane scored his third goal. Yikes... I must have skipped right past that. Dayum reading through those replies... fack.
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Post by happyhappy on May 25, 2022 17:59:33 GMT -7
I scrolled through his (Dan Milstein) twitter page, all the way back to January. I couldn't find the bag of money tweet you are speaking about. Where was this? Maybe not on his twitter? Given the time it was probably shortly after Kane scored his third goal. If that timing is true with the hatty goal that's hilarious. We may be screwed. Maybe he'll take a Giordano discount. lol, yeh right.
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Post by mrtea on May 25, 2022 18:58:47 GMT -7
Given the time it was probably shortly after Kane scored his third goal. If that timing is true with the hatty goal that's hilarious. We may be screwed. Maybe he'll take a Giordano discount. lol, yeh right. At this point we have to hope for something like that. Maybe his daughter will love it so much in Edmonton that she tells him she would like to stay. I know there are many reasons that he will probably chase the money, but a poor Oiler fan like MrTea can dream. If he does commit to a new Oiler contract I plan on buying a #91 Jersey when I purchase my new McDavid jersey.
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Post by sharptooth on May 25, 2022 21:45:54 GMT -7
Just seen something on Facebook that Kane isn’t coming to Calgary with the team for personal reasons. Anyone know anything? Don’t know if it’s true or not being it’s Facebook. Hockey News
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Post by Bronco73 on May 25, 2022 21:59:19 GMT -7
Just seen something on Facebook that Kane isn’t coming to Calgary with the team for personal reasons. Anyone know anything? Don’t know if it’s true or not being it’s Facebook. Hockey News If it is true it's probably because of his new baby daughter, but I'm not seeing anywhere that he is not going to be playing. Maybe it's just that he didn't fly down with the team and will be flying tomorrow instead
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