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Post by drtaf on Jan 24, 2024 10:19:47 GMT -7
Don't look now, I read Jack is 920% over his last ten starts, is at .904 on the Condors now. The better he plays, the more his value improves for us. Not a bad thing anyway. Rodrigue is at an impressive .924% in the meantime. Thanks Happy, was going to post on this... Watched personaly many of their games and to me we are beating teams handily, the big club is doing very well and it rubs off on our minor team. JC has some work to do still. IMO best thing JC can do is keep improving his chances of getting a trade, i think his days as an oiler are done. I dont mean that in a negative way, I'd be stoked if he was traded and became lights out for his new employer, I just think he metaphorically "lost the room" and mentally, there is no way he can come back from that, even if he does get a few more starts with the oil (you can never predict injuries etc)? Best case scenario is someone picks him up at TDL, otherwise, he's a buyout in off season by us or someone we trade him to?
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Post by windsoroiler on Jan 24, 2024 13:07:48 GMT -7
Thanks Happy, was going to post on this... Watched personaly many of their games and to me we are beating teams handily, the big club is doing very well and it rubs off on our minor team. JC has some work to do still. IMO best thing JC can do is keep improving his chances of getting a trade, i think his days as an oiler are done. I dont mean that in a negative way, I'd be stoked if he was traded and became lights out for his new employer, I just think he metaphorically "lost the room" and mentally, there is no way he can come back from that, even if he does get a few more starts with the oil (you can never predict injuries etc)? Best case scenario is someone picks him up at TDL, otherwise, he's a buyout in off season by us or someone we trade him to? Hope this is the case. We don't know what will go down with Carter Hart or if he's involved. Don't want to speculate, if there is punishment on several players and long term bans from the league. We could see Philly want JC? Too soon to tell. Our Ryan McLeod's brother may be one of those guys too. There are several players. Just because players are taking leaves from their teams does not mean they are guilty so do not want to jump the gun.
JC is playing good enough that another team could look at him. Even if we had to absorb 1/3 his salary, we would be better off than buying him out.
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Post by neufab94 on Jan 24, 2024 15:46:41 GMT -7
Thanks Happy, was going to post on this... Watched personaly many of their games and to me we are beating teams handily, the big club is doing very well and it rubs off on our minor team. JC has some work to do still. IMO best thing JC can do is keep improving his chances of getting a trade, i think his days as an oiler are done. I dont mean that in a negative way, I'd be stoked if he was traded and became lights out for his new employer, I just think he metaphorically "lost the room" and mentally, there is no way he can come back from that, even if he does get a few more starts with the oil (you can never predict injuries etc)? Best case scenario is someone picks him up at TDL, otherwise, he's a buyout in off season by us or someone we trade him to? I agree that Soup needs to make himself trade worthy. The buyout penalty of $1.5 mil would stay the books until the '29/30 season. That's just bad management to be penalized for 6 years. Add in the money owed to Brown next season and it's simply a waste of money. This year and next, and the Oilers will finally be rid of Neal's $1.9 mil penalty. A smart manager would be pleased with the potential to have a clean set of books for the '25/26 season if he values his employer. Especially when you look ahead to renew Leon and Conner, plus the probable raise to Bouchard by then. There needs to be more vision than just the immediate ambition for a Cup. After all, if Holland has built the team correctly he has nothing to fear.
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Post by drtaf on Jan 25, 2024 10:38:02 GMT -7
IMO best thing JC can do is keep improving his chances of getting a trade, i think his days as an oiler are done. I dont mean that in a negative way, I'd be stoked if he was traded and became lights out for his new employer, I just think he metaphorically "lost the room" and mentally, there is no way he can come back from that, even if he does get a few more starts with the oil (you can never predict injuries etc)? Best case scenario is someone picks him up at TDL, otherwise, he's a buyout in off season by us or someone we trade him to? I agree that Soup needs to make himself trade worthy. The buyout penalty of $1.5 mil would stay the books until the '29/30 season. That's just bad management to be penalized for 6 years. Add in the money owed to Brown next season and it's simply a waste of money. This year and next, and the Oilers will finally be rid of Neal's $1.9 mil penalty. A smart manager would be pleased with the potential to have a clean set of books for the '25/26 season if he values his employer. Especially when you look ahead to renew Leon and Conner, plus the probable raise to Bouchard by then. There needs to be more vision than just the immediate ambition for a Cup. After all, if Holland has built the team correctly he has nothing to fear. Buyouts suck, but so does handing over 1st picks, prospects and retaining salary? the only thing worse would be to keep the whole $5M cap on the books? You're dealing with "lesser evils" here. If Soup somehow plays himself back into a position of being tradeable, then providing that trade doesn't include retaining 50% salary and giving up our 1st and a good prospect like say Bourgoult or lavoie (broberg would be rank stupidity), then you hold your nose and probably do it (especially if you can get someone to TAKE one OR the other). But if the only offers out there are wanting those picks, prospects and salary retention, then you buy him out, because you simply cant have $5M of cap playing out their term in the minors, or even on the bench for 75% of the time. As for the last sentence, KH has been less than perfect. How much less is up to one's POV, but in a CDN market, anything less than perfect means you dont win a cup and he will have had 5yrs and collected $25M by time this season ends. Happy ending or not, i think Kenny must now set the table for next year and the next guy to give it his best shot at building the team "Correctly"!
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Post by neufab94 on Jan 25, 2024 11:58:38 GMT -7
I agree that Soup needs to make himself trade worthy. The buyout penalty of $1.5 mil would stay the books until the '29/30 season. That's just bad management to be penalized for 6 years. Add in the money owed to Brown next season and it's simply a waste of money. This year and next, and the Oilers will finally be rid of Neal's $1.9 mil penalty. A smart manager would be pleased with the potential to have a clean set of books for the '25/26 season if he values his employer. Especially when you look ahead to renew Leon and Conner, plus the probable raise to Bouchard by then. There needs to be more vision than just the immediate ambition for a Cup. After all, if Holland has built the team correctly he has nothing to fear. Buyouts suck, but so does handing over 1st picks, prospects and retaining salary? the only thing worse would be to keep the whole $5M cap on the books? You're dealing with "lesser evils" here. If Soup somehow plays himself back into a position of being tradeable, then providing that trade doesn't include retaining 50% salary and giving up our 1st and a good prospect like say Bourgoult or lavoie (broberg would be rank stupidity), then you hold your nose and probably do it (especially if you can get someone to TAKE one OR the other). But if the only offers out there are wanting those picks, prospects and salary retention, then you buy him out, because you simply cant have $5M of cap playing out their term in the minors, or even on the bench for 75% of the time. As for the last sentence, KH has been less than perfect. How much less is up to one's POV, but in a CDN market, anything less than perfect means you dont win a cup and he will have had 5yrs and collected $25M by time this season ends. Happy ending or not, i think Kenny must now set the table for next year and the next guy to give it his best shot at building the team "Correctly"! Yah a buyout would be better than giving away top prospects and making a bad signing even worse. The situation reinforces the risk of paying goaltenders a lot of money. I hope Soup plays himself into being trade worthy. By now Skinner has earned the crease even IF Campbell regains his form. An ideal scenario is Soup plays well and gets traded as a salary dump, that would be a win at this point and anything more is a bonus. Anything less is a loss.
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Post by drtaf on Jan 25, 2024 13:11:49 GMT -7
Buyouts suck, but so does handing over 1st picks, prospects and retaining salary? the only thing worse would be to keep the whole $5M cap on the books? You're dealing with "lesser evils" here. If Soup somehow plays himself back into a position of being tradeable, then providing that trade doesn't include retaining 50% salary and giving up our 1st and a good prospect like say Bourgoult or lavoie (broberg would be rank stupidity), then you hold your nose and probably do it (especially if you can get someone to TAKE one OR the other). But if the only offers out there are wanting those picks, prospects and salary retention, then you buy him out, because you simply cant have $5M of cap playing out their term in the minors, or even on the bench for 75% of the time. As for the last sentence, KH has been less than perfect. How much less is up to one's POV, but in a CDN market, anything less than perfect means you dont win a cup and he will have had 5yrs and collected $25M by time this season ends. Happy ending or not, i think Kenny must now set the table for next year and the next guy to give it his best shot at building the team "Correctly"! Yah a buyout would be better than giving away top prospects and making a bad signing even worse. The situation reinforces the risk of paying goaltenders a lot of money. I hope Soup plays himself into being trade worthy. By now Skinner has earned the crease even IF Campbell regains his form. An ideal scenario is Soup plays well and gets traded as a salary dump, that would be a win at this point and anything more is a bonus. Anything less is a loss. Yep, this is exactly my thinking. I hope Soup plays lights out from here till the TDL and/or end of season, so moving him might become a little easier and yeah, paying anything more than $5-6M x 5 for an elite goalie nvm someone like soup or even Skinner, is basically playing russian roulette with the cap. saying that, if we could get stu at a lower rate like $3-4M x 3-5yrs now, I'd do it, because if he continues to play great and do well in the playoffs, his value is going to sky rocket from what it currently is and the GM will have no choice but to give him a "nurse like contract" just as KH was basically forced to pay stupid money for Nurse coming off a great year, even though you could argue PC was the real one to blame for that?
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Post by windsoroiler on Jan 25, 2024 13:37:23 GMT -7
We already have Stew signed at 3 years, let;s see how he does and at the end if he deserves top money then do it.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 9, 2024 9:00:55 GMT -7
I dont like spec but when he does some of these "puff pieces" its his best work by comparison. I hated this signing from the beginning, but I always attribute contract blame to the GM not the player receiving the money and when you read something like this, IDK how anyone couldnt help but root for the guy. the best part IMO is skinner saying he looks up to soup. I still think the best case scenario is him continuing to be lights out in Bako and convincing another team to take a flyer on him, but it would be a hell of a redemption arc if he came back in the playoffs and was part of a SC winning team. dare to dream!! www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-campbell-finds-confidence-in-ahl-as-he-waits-for-next-opportunity/
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 17, 2024 13:34:19 GMT -7
Soup playing much better. Looks like he has some fire in his eyes.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 20, 2024 16:52:42 GMT -7
It's getting ridiculous, the guy just can't catch a break.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 21, 2024 8:37:31 GMT -7
It's getting ridiculous, the guy just can't catch a break. he still won in the SO though, so he must have been able to shrug it off, whihc is something he's struggled with in the past!
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 21, 2024 12:29:59 GMT -7
It's getting ridiculous, the guy just can't catch a break. he still won in the SO though, so he must have been able to shrug it off, whihc is something he's struggled with in the past! No this was the game before (last night). JC still played well after that mishap. Last game Rodrigue was in net. And we got the win out shooting them badly. Holloway look decent but does not look NHL top 6 ready, Broberg after all this time down there looks like a 3rd D so we will see what happens. Broberg looks kinda pissy after Stecher is in and he hasn't been called up. It's called it's not good enough or else you would be on the big club. Simple
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Post by yuke on Mar 21, 2024 23:29:20 GMT -7
he still won in the SO though, so he must have been able to shrug it off, whihc is something he's struggled with in the past! No this was the game before (last night). JC still played well after that mishap. Last game Rodrigue was in net. And we got the win out shooting them badly. Holloway look decent but does not look NHL top 6 ready, Broberg after all this time down there looks like a 3rd D so we will see what happens. Broberg looks kinda pissy after Stecher is in and he hasn't been called up. It's called it's not good enough or else you would be on the big club. Simple No, Its call Stetcher is RD and Broberg is LD, never mind the little savings we gain from not filling our cap space.
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 22, 2024 2:49:36 GMT -7
No this was the game before (last night). JC still played well after that mishap. Last game Rodrigue was in net. And we got the win out shooting them badly. Holloway look decent but does not look NHL top 6 ready, Broberg after all this time down there looks like a 3rd D so we will see what happens. Broberg looks kinda pissy after Stecher is in and he hasn't been called up. It's called it's not good enough or else you would be on the big club. Simple No, Its call Stetcher is RD and Broberg is LD, never mind the little savings we gain from not filling our cap space. No it's called broberg would be playing if stecher wasn't on the team. Stetcher played on his off side just the other night, so he can play both sides.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 22, 2024 9:25:01 GMT -7
No, Its call Stetcher is RD and Broberg is LD, never mind the little savings we gain from not filling our cap space. No it's called broberg would be playing if stecher wasn't on the team. Stetcher played on his off side just the other night, so he can play both sides. Broberg either has to have a reg spot in line up in 2024, or has to be traded away. Any more time in the A is a complete waste of time for both him and the team. IDK if he was "mismanaged" or just doesn't do enough to impress the coach, but the "piss or get off the pot" moment has more or less arrived. I dont see enough of the guy playing to say why this didn't work out like it should have for a top 10 pick, but when he first burst onto the season, he looked to me to be a really good, smooth skating D-man with good size, good instincts and all the tools to be a reg top 4 dman by now? I really hope he blows the doors off in the last month and comes to pre-season with renewed enthusiasm, but starting to sound more like he'll be thrown away for pennies on the dollar? That would not be a good look for our scouts and GM, but neither is a top 10 pick wallowing away for years in the A?
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 22, 2024 9:56:36 GMT -7
No it's called broberg would be playing if stecher wasn't on the team. Stetcher played on his off side just the other night, so he can play both sides. Broberg either has to have a reg spot in line up in 2024, or has to be traded away. Any more time in the A is a complete waste of time for both him and the team. IDK if he was "mismanaged" or just doesn't do enough to impress the coach, but the "piss or get off the pot" moment has more or less arrived. I dont see enough of the guy playing to say why this didn't work out like it should have for a top 10 pick, but when he first burst onto the season, he looked to me to be a really good, smooth skating D-man with good size, good instincts and all the tools to be a reg top 4 dman by now? I really hope he blows the doors off in the last month and comes to pre-season with renewed enthusiasm, but starting to sound more like he'll be thrown away for pennies on the dollar? That would not be a good look for our scouts and GM, but neither is a top 10 pick wallowing away for years in the A? Holland has a habit of over over ripening players. Broberg should be in next year, we won't have enough cap space to keep the more expensive players obviously. We need our young players in the lineup, we don't even have one player on their ELC playing for this team right now.
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 22, 2024 9:57:31 GMT -7
No it's called broberg would be playing if stecher wasn't on the team. Stetcher played on his off side just the other night, so he can play both sides. Broberg either has to have a reg spot in line up in 2024, or has to be traded away. Any more time in the A is a complete waste of time for both him and the team. IDK if he was "mismanaged" or just doesn't do enough to impress the coach, but the "piss or get off the pot" moment has more or less arrived. I dont see enough of the guy playing to say why this didn't work out like it should have for a top 10 pick, but when he first burst onto the season, he looked to me to be a really good, smooth skating D-man with good size, good instincts and all the tools to be a reg top 4 dman by now? I really hope he blows the doors off in the last month and comes to pre-season with renewed enthusiasm, but starting to sound more like he'll be thrown away for pennies on the dollar? That would not be a good look for our scouts and GM, but neither is a top 10 pick wallowing away for years in the A? Is he wallowing away? Or, is he playing big minutes in every situation? He wouldn't be doing that on the Oilers Or, has he stalled and is he not going to be a full-time NHLer? I don't know but all are possible.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 22, 2024 12:43:40 GMT -7
Broberg either has to have a reg spot in line up in 2024, or has to be traded away. Any more time in the A is a complete waste of time for both him and the team. IDK if he was "mismanaged" or just doesn't do enough to impress the coach, but the "piss or get off the pot" moment has more or less arrived. I dont see enough of the guy playing to say why this didn't work out like it should have for a top 10 pick, but when he first burst onto the season, he looked to me to be a really good, smooth skating D-man with good size, good instincts and all the tools to be a reg top 4 dman by now? I really hope he blows the doors off in the last month and comes to pre-season with renewed enthusiasm, but starting to sound more like he'll be thrown away for pennies on the dollar? That would not be a good look for our scouts and GM, but neither is a top 10 pick wallowing away for years in the A? Is he wallowing away? Or, is he playing big minutes in every situation? He wouldn't be doing that on the Oilers Or, has he stalled and is he not going to be a full-time NHLer? I don't know but all are possible. All are very definitely possible! I guess my "piss or get off the pot comment" kinda alludes to what windsor said regarding over over ripening? We/management really should've known by now if he is going to be a FT NHLer or not? It's not like we have a "powerhouse D-corp" that's impossible to crack?? I also said we need to know by start of 24-25 season if he is going to be a regular or tossed into a trade before then? It just feels like Teams with better records than ours, seem to make these decisions a lot quicker on "their top prospects". Without doing a detailed look, I know Boston, canes, NYR etc all have rookies playing meaningful minutes this season and we dont. Is this because we over over-ripen (too long) or that our top prospects just aren't that "top"? either answer is not a great look IMO. pretty soon we will be throwing holloway into this argument too?
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 22, 2024 13:04:01 GMT -7
Is he wallowing away? Or, is he playing big minutes in every situation? He wouldn't be doing that on the Oilers Or, has he stalled and is he not going to be a full-time NHLer? I don't know but all are possible. All are very definitely possible! I guess my "piss or get off the pot comment" kinda alludes to what windsor said regarding over over ripening? We/management really should've known by now if he is going to be a FT NHLer or not? It's not like we have a "powerhouse D-corp" that's impossible to crack?? I also said we need to know by start of 24-25 season if he is going to be a regular or tossed into a trade before then? It just feels like Teams with better records than ours, seem to make these decisions a lot quicker on "their top prospects". Without doing a detailed look, I know Boston, canes, NYR etc all have rookies playing meaningful minutes this season and we dont. Is this because we over over-ripen (too long) or that our top prospects just aren't that "top"? either answer is not a great look IMO. pretty soon we will be throwing holloway into this argument too? ask moon, he knows... A +++++++++++ baby
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Post by neufab94 on Mar 22, 2024 13:05:09 GMT -7
Is he wallowing away? Or, is he playing big minutes in every situation? He wouldn't be doing that on the Oilers Or, has he stalled and is he not going to be a full-time NHLer? I don't know but all are possible. All are very definitely possible! I guess my "piss or get off the pot comment" kinda alludes to what windsor said regarding over over ripening? We/management really should've known by now if he is going to be a FT NHLer or not? It's not like we have a "powerhouse D-corp" that's impossible to crack?? I also said we need to know by start of 24-25 season if he is going to be a regular or tossed into a trade before then? It just feels like Teams with better records than ours, seem to make these decisions a lot quicker on "their top prospects". Without doing a detailed look, I know Boston, canes, NYR etc all have rookies playing meaningful minutes this season and we dont. Is this because we over over-ripen (too long) or that our top prospects just aren't that "top"? either answer is not a great look IMO. pretty soon we will be throwing holloway into this argument too? I would add Lavoie also. He has 24 goals for the Condors this year and is a year older than Holloway. The Oilers are good team but I am fully in favour of letting a few of the older guys walk at the end of the year and having a Bake line. Having 3 solid lines and youth as a 4th can work out just fine.
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