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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 20:09:16 GMT -7
Question, if they mandate this will it be used just like the annual flu shot? Who’s they? And what do you mean by mandate? As for your final question, I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt. In other news, Flames have now also implemented the mandatory vaccination policy to attend any Calgary sporting events www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/flames-stampeders-require-covid-19-vaccines-games-starting-sept-15/ : "This basically clears the path for their covid vaccine to be used just like an annual flu shot so that Pfizer will likely make even more billions" By all accounts the Government is asking businesses to mandate Vaccination...so They would be government /businesses. I'm just inquiring how you come to the conclusion as this being similar to an annual flu shot? I do not recall any flu shot being mandated. You state: "I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt." I think you have the right to your opinion and I am not looking to argue, However I do disagree with your sentence above as it is being stated that the unvaccinated are providing the virus to mutate and adapt. 1. When they rolled out the vaccine it was claimed to be 100% effective. 2.Gates publicly announced on video before the vaccinated started to turn up with covid that he could picture vaccine booster shots being required. Quite the insight for someone with no background in the field and no reason at the time to make this claim. 3. Countries and areas of high vaccinated individuals are getting covid and the data suggests it is not the unvaccinated. 4. Many people are reporting injuries and death concerning the vaccine. Yes the FDA approved it in short order and if you look at the animal trials they did not fare well( this from there own data) 5. If people want to get a vaccination that should be their choice but I also believe consent should be based on clear data and there is two sides to every argument. There are many respected medical professionals in both camps, time will expose the real truth.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 23, 2021 22:13:52 GMT -7
I'm not sure which is working better, my Phizer vax or my Pfizer stock....but I SURE LIKE THEM BOTH TODAY!!! Why that is an absolutely wonderful announcement, Please continue in the future to update us long term on this fabulous excitement you enjoy. No problem! You are SO welcome to hug my post anytime!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 22:46:13 GMT -7
Why that is an absolutely wonderful announcement, Please continue in the future to update us long term on this fabulous excitement you enjoy. No problem! You are SO welcome to hug my post anytime!! Hey you pointed out how happy you are in your investment, if making money off a pandemic excites you I'm sure the future should bold well long term. Not sure what exactly you find offensive in this to be ignorant? Ironic : vaccinated male solicits male on Hockey message board... ignores social distancing.
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Post by drtaf on Aug 24, 2021 8:35:27 GMT -7
Who’s they? And what do you mean by mandate? As for your final question, I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt. In other news, Flames have now also implemented the mandatory vaccination policy to attend any Calgary sporting events www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/flames-stampeders-require-covid-19-vaccines-games-starting-sept-15/ : "This basically clears the path for their covid vaccine to be used just like an annual flu shot so that Pfizer will likely make even more billions" By all accounts the Government is asking businesses to mandate Vaccination...so They would be government /businesses. I'm just inquiring how you come to the conclusion as this being similar to an annual flu shot? I do not recall any flu shot being mandated. You state: "I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt." I think you have the right to your opinion and I am not looking to argue, However I do disagree with your sentence above as it is being stated that the unvaccinated are providing the virus to mutate and adapt. 1. When they rolled out the vaccine it was claimed to be 100% effective. 2.Gates publicly announced on video before the vaccinated started to turn up with covid that he could picture vaccine booster shots being required. Quite the insight for someone with no background in the field and no reason at the time to make this claim. 3. Countries and areas of high vaccinated individuals are getting covid and the data suggests it is not the unvaccinated. 4. Many people are reporting injuries and death concerning the vaccine. Yes the FDA approved it in short order and if you look at the animal trials they did not fare well( this from there own data) 5. If people want to get a vaccination that should be their choice but I also believe consent should be based on clear data and there is two sides to every argument. There are many respected medical professionals in both camps, time will expose the real truth. First off PH, you are completely entitled to your opinion, however some of the things you post are simply, completely untrue. I can't vouch for what Bill Gates says and does, but I can say since I'm in the field, that there isn't a single REPUTABLE scientist on this planet who would claim 100% effectiveness or safety for any drug. Thats simply impossible and dangerous to make a claim like that. It's why a lot of scientists are called "wishy-washy" because they wont be drawn into making irrational statements. I underscore reputable as there are some who claim to be scientists who will. The reality is, any drug from caffeine to aspirin can be lethal in some circumstances. As for mandating the covid jab, I've used the smoking analogy several times. People are allowed to smoke, they just cant do so anywhere other people are present. Why? because its a health risk, guess what? Covid is a health risk. As of now, no one is being forced against their will to take the jab, if they dont want to, they can refuse. However the govt and many other establishments are now saying, if you want to work for us, you have to be jabbed, this means that those who refuse to get vaccinated can't work there, they'll have to find jobs elsewhere whether they were already working there or not. Is this fair? that could be a genuine debate, but life aint fair so I dont get drawn into discussions of fairness. Finally, there is mounting data that vaccinated people can contract and trasmit the virus, however the evidence is still overwhelming that those people have mild to zero symptoms and dont require further treatment, will some people who get 2x doses still die? Simple answer is yes, because given my earlier statement that no drug is 100% effective or safe and that this vaccine has now been administered in the billions, this fact is inevitable. In fact, I would start my own conspiracy theory if they had been reporting no deaths or side effects from these shots. Its ironically, almost reassuring that they have found some side effects because again, every drug has them (have you ever watched an add for a drug on TV and the long list of "potential" side effects listed)? This doesnt stop the vast majority of humans using the latest drugs to try to make them live longer and given life expectancy since modern drugs have been developed, has gone up, that suggests that the good far outweighs the bad and that is the story in a nutshell, "The good from vaccines far outweighs the bad".Its too bad that as with most things on the internet, some idiot will take a fact that a covid shot can potentially kill you, and take that grain of truth and completely distort it out of context and weave a narrative that is so far from the truth that it becomes far more likely to kill thousands and even millions more than the vaccine itself. But hey, what a wonderful world of technology we live in!
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 24, 2021 8:55:27 GMT -7
Who’s they? And what do you mean by mandate? As for your final question, I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt. In other news, Flames have now also implemented the mandatory vaccination policy to attend any Calgary sporting events www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/flames-stampeders-require-covid-19-vaccines-games-starting-sept-15/ : "This basically clears the path for their covid vaccine to be used just like an annual flu shot so that Pfizer will likely make even more billions" By all accounts the Government is asking businesses to mandate Vaccination...so They would be government /businesses. I'm just inquiring how you come to the conclusion as this being similar to an annual flu shot? I do not recall any flu shot being mandated. You state: "I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt." I think you have the right to your opinion and I am not looking to argue, However I do disagree with your sentence above as it is being stated that the unvaccinated are providing the virus to mutate and adapt. 1. When they rolled out the vaccine it was claimed to be 100% effective. I don't know who 'they' are but 'they' weren't scientists or doctors2.Gates publicly announced on video before the vaccinated started to turn up with covid that he could picture vaccine booster shots being required. Quite the insight for someone with no background in the field and no reason at the time to make this claim. What does Bill Gates have to do with any of this?3. Countries and areas of high vaccinated individuals are getting covid and the data suggests it is not the unvaccinated. Please provide a link to this data, because I'm finding the opposite.4. Many people are reporting injuries and death concerning the vaccine. Yes the FDA approved it in short order and if you look at the animal trials they did not fare well( this from there own data) if 'many people' are reporting it, this info should be easy to find butI'm not finding it. Again, link please?5. If people want to get a vaccination that should be their choice but I also believe consent should be based on clear data and there is two sides to every argument. There are many respected medical professionals in both camps, time will expose the real truth. People do have the choice, and choices can have consequences both good and bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 9:52:26 GMT -7
Did you type this sentence : "This basically clears the path for their covid vaccine to be used just like an annual flu shot so that Pfizer will likely make even more billions" By all accounts the Government is asking businesses to mandate Vaccination...so They would be government /businesses. I'm just inquiring how you come to the conclusion as this being similar to an annual flu shot? I do not recall any flu shot being mandated. You state: "I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt." I think you have the right to your opinion and I am not looking to argue, However I do disagree with your sentence above as it is being stated that the unvaccinated are providing the virus to mutate and adapt. 1. When they rolled out the vaccine it was claimed to be 100% effective. 2.Gates publicly announced on video before the vaccinated started to turn up with covid that he could picture vaccine booster shots being required. Quite the insight for someone with no background in the field and no reason at the time to make this claim. 3. Countries and areas of high vaccinated individuals are getting covid and the data suggests it is not the unvaccinated. 4. Many people are reporting injuries and death concerning the vaccine. Yes the FDA approved it in short order and if you look at the animal trials they did not fare well( this from there own data) 5. If people want to get a vaccination that should be their choice but I also believe consent should be based on clear data and there is two sides to every argument. There are many respected medical professionals in both camps, time will expose the real truth. First off PH, you are completely entitled to your opinion, however some of the things you post are simply, completely untrue. I can't vouch for what Bill Gates says and does, but I can say since I'm in the field, that there isn't a single REPUTABLE scientist on this planet who would claim 100% effectiveness or safety for any drug. Thats simply impossible and dangerous to make a claim like that. It's why a lot of scientists are called "wishy-washy" because they wont be drawn into making irrational statements. I underscore reputable as there are some who claim to be scientists who will. The reality is, any drug from caffeine to aspirin can be lethal in some circumstances. As for mandating the covid jab, I've used the smoking analogy several times. People are allowed to smoke, they just cant do so anywhere other people are present. Why? because its a health risk, guess what? Covid is a health risk. As of now, no one is being forced against their will to take the jab, if they dont want to, they can refuse. However the govt and many other establishments are now saying, if you want to work for us, you have to be jabbed, this means that those who refuse to get vaccinated can't work there, they'll have to find jobs elsewhere whether they were already working there or not. Is this fair? that could be a genuine debate, but life aint fair so I dont get drawn into discussions of fairness. Finally, there is mounting data that vaccinated people can contract and trasmit the virus, however the evidence is still overwhelming that those people have mild to zero symptoms and dont require further treatment, will some people who get 2x doses still die? Simple answer is yes, because given my earlier statement that no drug is 100% effective or safe and that this vaccine has now been administered in the billions, this fact is inevitable. In fact, I would start my own conspiracy theory if they had been reporting no deaths or side effects from these shots. Its ironically, almost reassuring that they have found some side effects because again, every drug has them (have you ever watched an add for a drug on TV and the long list of "potential" side effects listed)? This doesnt stop the vast majority of humans using the latest drugs to try to make them live longer and given life expectancy since modern drugs have been developed, has gone up, that suggests that the good far outweighs the bad and that is the story in a nutshell, "The good from vaccines far outweighs the bad".Its too bad that as with most things on the internet, some idiot will take a fact that a covid shot can potentially kill you, and take that grain of truth and completely distort it out of context and weave a narrative that is so far from the truth that it becomes far more likely to kill thousands and even millions more than the vaccine itself. But hey, what a wonderful world of technology we live in! I appreciate your discussion and respect you opinions. Like I said there are reputable scientists and doctors in both camps for and against...even one former Pfizer scientist. I'm not sure billions have been vaccinated just yet but they may get there. If you look at the models in Israel ,Sweden and other areas the argument of unvaccinated causing the variants is being proven to be a false conclusion. If you are in the medical field you must be aware of the FDA approval, but further examination would reveal they cut the control group and avoided committee review... Only once before has the FDA given a vaccine this lesser standard approval of an EUA, but it was in an unusual circumstance. Soldiers had sued, claiming a mandatory anthrax vaccine made them sick, and a judge put a hold on the program. The Department of Defense asked for an EUA that then overrode the court ruling in 2005, so it could continue vaccinating military personnel -- this time on a voluntary basis. Otherwise, vaccines have had to go through the entire clinical trial process and FDA approval process, which can take months or years. On April 12, 1955the government announced the first vaccine to protect kids against polio. Within days, labs had made thousands of lots of the vaccine. Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak. More than 200,000 children got the polio vaccine, but within days the government had to abandon the program. From 1955 to 1963, between 10% and 30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). In 1976, scientists predicted a pandemic of a new strain of influenza called swine flu. More than 40 years later, some historians call it "flu epidemic that never was." The government launched the program in about seven months and 40 million people got vaccinated against swine flu, according to the CDC. That vaccination campaign was later linked to cases of a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can develop after an infection or, rarely, after vaccination with a live vaccine. Numbers I see being reported 99.6 % survive covid without the vaccine. Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 25, 2021, a total of 411,931 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 6,985 deaths — an increase of 872 deaths over the previous week. There were 34,065 serious injury reports, up 2,825 compared with last week. This week’s total VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to June 25, 2021, for all age groups show: 21% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders. 51% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased. The average age of death was 74.3. As of June 18, 2,337 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 791 reports of miscarriage or premature birth. Of the 3,985 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 55% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 42% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J. 365 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 45% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 42% to Moderna and 19% to J&J. 114,113 reports of anaphylaxis with 44% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 48% to Moderna and 8% to J&J. 7,263 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,151 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,566 reports to Moderna and 1,501 reports to J&J. 1,576 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,001 cases attributed to Pfizer, 523 cases to Moderna and 48 cases to J&J’s COVID vaccine. yes VAERS alone reports over 400,000 injuries' I think these would be considered reputable sites providing information and are not conspiracy theory. Sorry we disagree but with a .04 Covid concern and the data coming out it would appear the response is worse then the problem.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 24, 2021 10:12:25 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 10:16:50 GMT -7
Did you type this sentence : "This basically clears the path for their covid vaccine to be used just like an annual flu shot so that Pfizer will likely make even more billions" By all accounts the Government is asking businesses to mandate Vaccination...so They would be government /businesses. I'm just inquiring how you come to the conclusion as this being similar to an annual flu shot? I do not recall any flu shot being mandated. You state: "I believe that it will become like the flu shot and needed annually unless we can get vaccinations up to the 85-90% and reduce the reservoir of unvaccinated that provide the virus with the habitat to mutate and adapt." I think you have the right to your opinion and I am not looking to argue, However I do disagree with your sentence above as it is being stated that the unvaccinated are providing the virus to mutate and adapt. 1. When they rolled out the vaccine it was claimed to be 100% effective. I don't know who 'they' are but 'they' weren't scientists or doctors2.Gates publicly announced on video before the vaccinated started to turn up with covid that he could picture vaccine booster shots being required. Quite the insight for someone with no background in the field and no reason at the time to make this claim. What does Bill Gates have to do with any of this?3. Countries and areas of high vaccinated individuals are getting covid and the data suggests it is not the unvaccinated. Please provide a link to this data, because I'm finding the opposite.4. Many people are reporting injuries and death concerning the vaccine. Yes the FDA approved it in short order and if you look at the animal trials they did not fare well( this from there own data) if 'many people' are reporting it, this info should be easy to find butI'm not finding it. Again, link please?5. If people want to get a vaccination that should be their choice but I also believe consent should be based on clear data and there is two sides to every argument. There are many respected medical professionals in both camps, time will expose the real truth. People do have the choice, and choices can have consequences both good and bad. Dr Fauci, Bill Gates and the CDC promoted the Vaccine to be 100% safe...what does Bill gates have to do with this? I hope you are kidding right? I suggest you do some research into what the Bill and linda Gates foundation has been up to since Bill left Microsoft...he has a huge stake in the health industry and Pfizer. Also inquire what the Gates foundation did in Africa with Polio vaccines...do you own research to find the legitimate facts! Look at Israel and Sweden data... There data has an issue with the theme of the unvaccinated being the cause. Israel is the most vaccinated population in the world right now and guess what covid is now rampant. This is headline news. I am not trying to be ignorant or provide false facts...all I'm stating is this issue has credible data in both camps. This is not a one sided argument and there is some legitimate concerns based on credible data and evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 10:23:56 GMT -7
Maybe Alberta Health can track the vaccinated fans to see how many of them shed Covid to each other...what an Ideal test bed.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 24, 2021 10:28:21 GMT -7
First off PH, you are completely entitled to your opinion, however some of the things you post are simply, completely untrue. I can't vouch for what Bill Gates says and does, but I can say since I'm in the field, that there isn't a single REPUTABLE scientist on this planet who would claim 100% effectiveness or safety for any drug. Thats simply impossible and dangerous to make a claim like that. It's why a lot of scientists are called "wishy-washy" because they wont be drawn into making irrational statements. I underscore reputable as there are some who claim to be scientists who will. The reality is, any drug from caffeine to aspirin can be lethal in some circumstances. As for mandating the covid jab, I've used the smoking analogy several times. People are allowed to smoke, they just cant do so anywhere other people are present. Why? because its a health risk, guess what? Covid is a health risk. As of now, no one is being forced against their will to take the jab, if they dont want to, they can refuse. However the govt and many other establishments are now saying, if you want to work for us, you have to be jabbed, this means that those who refuse to get vaccinated can't work there, they'll have to find jobs elsewhere whether they were already working there or not. Is this fair? that could be a genuine debate, but life aint fair so I dont get drawn into discussions of fairness. Finally, there is mounting data that vaccinated people can contract and trasmit the virus, however the evidence is still overwhelming that those people have mild to zero symptoms and dont require further treatment, will some people who get 2x doses still die? Simple answer is yes, because given my earlier statement that no drug is 100% effective or safe and that this vaccine has now been administered in the billions, this fact is inevitable. In fact, I would start my own conspiracy theory if they had been reporting no deaths or side effects from these shots. Its ironically, almost reassuring that they have found some side effects because again, every drug has them (have you ever watched an add for a drug on TV and the long list of "potential" side effects listed)? This doesnt stop the vast majority of humans using the latest drugs to try to make them live longer and given life expectancy since modern drugs have been developed, has gone up, that suggests that the good far outweighs the bad and that is the story in a nutshell, "The good from vaccines far outweighs the bad".Its too bad that as with most things on the internet, some idiot will take a fact that a covid shot can potentially kill you, and take that grain of truth and completely distort it out of context and weave a narrative that is so far from the truth that it becomes far more likely to kill thousands and even millions more than the vaccine itself. But hey, what a wonderful world of technology we live in! I appreciate your discussion and respect you opinions. Like I said there are reputable scientists and doctors in both camps for and against...even one former Pfizer scientist. I'm not sure billions have been vaccinated just yet but they may get there. If you look at the models in Israel ,Sweden and other areas the argument of unvaccinated causing the variants is being proven to be a false conclusion. If you are in the medical field you must be aware of the FDA approval, but further examination would reveal they cut the control group and avoided committee review... Only once before has the FDA given a vaccine this lesser standard approval of an EUA, but it was in an unusual circumstance. Soldiers had sued, claiming a mandatory anthrax vaccine made them sick, and a judge put a hold on the program. The Department of Defense asked for an EUA that then overrode the court ruling in 2005, so it could continue vaccinating military personnel -- this time on a voluntary basis. Otherwise, vaccines have had to go through the entire clinical trial process and FDA approval process, which can take months or years. On April 12, 1955the government announced the first vaccine to protect kids against polio. Within days, labs had made thousands of lots of the vaccine. Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak. More than 200,000 children got the polio vaccine, but within days the government had to abandon the program. From 1955 to 1963, between 10% and 30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). In 1976, scientists predicted a pandemic of a new strain of influenza called swine flu. More than 40 years later, some historians call it "flu epidemic that never was." The government launched the program in about seven months and 40 million people got vaccinated against swine flu, according to the CDC. That vaccination campaign was later linked to cases of a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can develop after an infection or, rarely, after vaccination with a live vaccine. Numbers I see being reported 99.6 % survive covid without the vaccine. Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 25, 2021, a total of 411,931 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 6,985 deaths — an increase of 872 deaths over the previous week. There were 34,065 serious injury reports, up 2,825 compared with last week. This week’s total VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to June 25, 2021, for all age groups show: 21% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders. 51% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased. The average age of death was 74.3. As of June 18, 2,337 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 791 reports of miscarriage or premature birth. Of the 3,985 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 55% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 42% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J. 365 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 45% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 42% to Moderna and 19% to J&J. 114,113 reports of anaphylaxis with 44% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 48% to Moderna and 8% to J&J. 7,263 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,151 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,566 reports to Moderna and 1,501 reports to J&J. 1,576 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,001 cases attributed to Pfizer, 523 cases to Moderna and 48 cases to J&J’s COVID vaccine. yes VAERS alone reports over 400,000 injuries' I think these would be considered reputable sites providing information and are not conspiracy theory. Sorry we disagree but with a .04 Covid concern and the data coming out it would appear the response is worse then the problem.
When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).
The CDC here says COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, “under the most intense safety monitoring in United States history,” and recommends receiving the vaccine as soon as possible. It also explains that VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event regardless of proof that it was caused by the vaccine. Reports can be submitted by an individual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 10:30:23 GMT -7
I appreciate your discussion and respect you opinions. Like I said there are reputable scientists and doctors in both camps for and against...even one former Pfizer scientist. I'm not sure billions have been vaccinated just yet but they may get there. If you look at the models in Israel ,Sweden and other areas the argument of unvaccinated causing the variants is being proven to be a false conclusion. If you are in the medical field you must be aware of the FDA approval, but further examination would reveal they cut the control group and avoided committee review... Only once before has the FDA given a vaccine this lesser standard approval of an EUA, but it was in an unusual circumstance. Soldiers had sued, claiming a mandatory anthrax vaccine made them sick, and a judge put a hold on the program. The Department of Defense asked for an EUA that then overrode the court ruling in 2005, so it could continue vaccinating military personnel -- this time on a voluntary basis. Otherwise, vaccines have had to go through the entire clinical trial process and FDA approval process, which can take months or years. On April 12, 1955the government announced the first vaccine to protect kids against polio. Within days, labs had made thousands of lots of the vaccine. Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak. More than 200,000 children got the polio vaccine, but within days the government had to abandon the program. From 1955 to 1963, between 10% and 30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). In 1976, scientists predicted a pandemic of a new strain of influenza called swine flu. More than 40 years later, some historians call it "flu epidemic that never was." The government launched the program in about seven months and 40 million people got vaccinated against swine flu, according to the CDC. That vaccination campaign was later linked to cases of a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can develop after an infection or, rarely, after vaccination with a live vaccine. Numbers I see being reported 99.6 % survive covid without the vaccine. Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 25, 2021, a total of 411,931 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 6,985 deaths — an increase of 872 deaths over the previous week. There were 34,065 serious injury reports, up 2,825 compared with last week. This week’s total VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to June 25, 2021, for all age groups show: 21% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders. 51% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased. The average age of death was 74.3. As of June 18, 2,337 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 791 reports of miscarriage or premature birth. Of the 3,985 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 55% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 42% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J. 365 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 45% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 42% to Moderna and 19% to J&J. 114,113 reports of anaphylaxis with 44% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 48% to Moderna and 8% to J&J. 7,263 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,151 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,566 reports to Moderna and 1,501 reports to J&J. 1,576 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,001 cases attributed to Pfizer, 523 cases to Moderna and 48 cases to J&J’s COVID vaccine. yes VAERS alone reports over 400,000 injuries' I think these would be considered reputable sites providing information and are not conspiracy theory. Sorry we disagree but with a .04 Covid concern and the data coming out it would appear the response is worse then the problem.
When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).
The CDC here says COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, “under the most intense safety monitoring in United States history,” and recommends receiving the vaccine as soon as possible. It also explains that VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event regardless of proof that it was caused by the vaccine. Reports can be submitted by an individual. Do Doctors report to VAERS? did the dead people make long distance calls to VAERS?
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 24, 2021 10:31:41 GMT -7
Anyone can report events to VAERS (www.vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html), with a disclaimer on the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) saying: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here).
When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).
The CDC here says COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective, “under the most intense safety monitoring in United States history,” and recommends receiving the vaccine as soon as possible. It also explains that VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event regardless of proof that it was caused by the vaccine. Reports can be submitted by an individual. Do Doctors report to VAERS? You cited it. You tell me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 10:35:33 GMT -7
Do Doctors report to VAERS? You cited it. You tell me. Okay you got the vaccine...it is totally safe no deaths and injuries have happened. all medical sites and information from doctors and scientists are baloney. Now go play in the traffic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 10:51:00 GMT -7
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 24, 2021 10:55:19 GMT -7
You cited it. You tell me. Okay you got the vaccine...it is totally safe no deaths and injuries have happened. all medical sites and information from doctors and scientists are baloney. Now go play in the traffic. You keep posting your facts because I really like fact checking them. It's good fun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 11:04:47 GMT -7
Okay you got the vaccine...it is totally safe no deaths and injuries have happened. all medical sites and information from doctors and scientists are baloney. Now go play in the traffic. You keep posting your facts because I really like fact checking them. It's good fun. I'm surprised you have time aren't you busy getting shots... I think you're due for the 3rd. Maybe you can get a game in at Rogers before that brain clot changes things... by the sounds it has already started....lol
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Post by Bronco73 on Aug 24, 2021 11:35:27 GMT -7
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 24, 2021 12:22:50 GMT -7
You cited it. You tell me. Okay you got the vaccine...it is totally safe no deaths and injuries have happened. all medical sites and information from doctors and scientists are baloney. Now go play in the traffic. You have a higher chance dying in a car crash.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 12:39:17 GMT -7
Okay you got the vaccine...it is totally safe no deaths and injuries have happened. all medical sites and information from doctors and scientists are baloney. Now go play in the traffic. You have a higher chance dying in a car crash. While that is correct initially it also creates a false presentation of the facts as many experts indicate the period between 18 months and 60 months we could witness more long term deaths. not often do we see traffic accidents causing death 18 to 60 months after the accident.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Aug 24, 2021 15:04:16 GMT -7
You have a higher chance dying in a car crash. While that is correct initially it also creates a false presentation of the facts as many experts indicate the period between 18 months and 60 months we could witness more long term deaths. not often do we see traffic accidents causing death 18 to 60 months after the accident. Source? A legitimate source, not the crap you were posting a few days ago. That sh!t was flat earth level garbage. I guess that makes sense though. Anti-vaxx and flat earthers are cut from the same cloth.
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