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Post by Bronco73 on Nov 23, 2021 23:00:57 GMT -7
Like the refs on any call that should go our way, I'll be missing the game tomorrow. I can't fathom supporting this willfully deceitful business tomorrow. They are crooked and unjust. And the worst part of it is they know it, and refuse to make it right.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 24, 2021 9:46:07 GMT -7
Like the refs on any call that should go our way, I'll be missing the game tomorrow. I can't fathom supporting this willfully deceitful business tomorrow. They are crooked and unjust. And the worst part of it is they know it, and refuse to make it right. It's totally broken and will be very difficult to fix since any dissension gets cancelled as being "whiners". Torts is the poster child for the neanderthal thinking "quit whining and suck it up and shut it up!" It's exact same mentality that pervades the system and causes the Beach scenario and the other racism and discrimination that has riddled the game for so many decades. I'm not saying bad reffing and game management are anywhere near as heinous as those other crimes, but it's the same mentality. It's like serial killers practicing on kittens before going out and practicing on people. The NHL thinks its untouchable and unaccountable, so it can do whatever it wants, because the second anyone protests, they get eaten alive by their own. It's classic blame the victim and the NHL fosters this extremely well.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 24, 2021 12:22:36 GMT -7
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Post by drtaf on Nov 24, 2021 12:25:52 GMT -7
I guess the censorship filter F u c k e d up the link! if you substitute "flames sucking" with correct word F u c k ing, it should work.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Nov 24, 2021 17:23:30 GMT -7
The reason I think the nhl is directing this is simply the fact that a number of places are talking about how the oilers are treated and it seems even Tipp is alluding to it.
As a referee, if I’m an arrogant jerk I say “how dare they” and I get them more next game. If I’m not, I do some reflection to see if I have any unconscious bias that I need to adjust for.
I just can’t believe that EVERY ref is an arrogant bronco73 so, logically, they are doing what they are told to do.
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Post by south on Nov 25, 2021 10:04:47 GMT -7
The lack of penalty calls missed is something the league needs to investigate more thoroughly. Although it has become a media story, the freaquency of missed calls has continued. This is not an issue Conner nor Tippet can publically address. This is an issue Ken Holland and the Oilers need to take directly to the League's Director of Officiating and Department of Player Safety for explanation.
The team has the ability to compile a video of agregious non calls recently and the fact he leads the league in possession time,but ranks so low in penalties drawn against.Its not a question of whether the penalies drawn by players ranked above Conner were deserved, it is how so many against Conner were overlooked? Conner is not only an asset to the Oilers, but a ticket draw around the league as a whole. This needs a responce from the league before before a serious injury incures. ( thus the involvement of dept. of player safety) Point blank ask the Director of Officiating " Would the officials have made a differant decision on these plays if the Oilers' powerplay wasn't so productive?" Time for KH to get some action from the league, not just the media.
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Post by drtaf on Nov 25, 2021 10:27:00 GMT -7
The lack of penalty calls missed is something the league needs to investigate more thoroughly. Although it has become a media story, the freaquency of missed calls has continued. This is not an issue Conner nor Tippet can publically address. This is an issue Ken Holland and the Oilers need to take directly to the League's Director of Officiating and Department of Player Safety for explanation. The team has the ability to compile a video of agregious non calls recently and the fact he leads the league in possession time,but ranks so low in penalties drawn against.Its not a question of whether the penalies drawn by players ranked above Conner were deserved, it is how so many against Conner were overlooked? Conner is not only an asset to the Oilers, but a ticket draw around the league as a whole. This needs a responce from the league before before a serious injury incures. ( thus the involvement of dept. of player safety) Point blank ask the Director of Officiating " Would the officials have made a differant decision on these plays if the Oilers' powerplay wasn't so productive?" Time for KH to get some action from the league, not just the media. Ironically, both Kerry fraser and tim Peel have suggested oilers go this route already, but KH is old school himself, so maybe he is like Torts and thinks raising this issue = whining or being a tattle tale? I'm glad Tipp has raised it publically now just so the guys know he has their back, but it's really KH or even higher, who should be raising this. Another absolutely vicious x-check from behind and into the post by yotes guy last night goes uncalled after he scored. In the other game, Jets Morrissey Viciously axes a guy's legs after an EN, still no calls! Remember Crawford/Bertuzzi? Something like that is going to happen again to a top NHL star and then there will be lots of hand wringing, denials, "it's an isolated incident" etc! and then it will die down and business as usual and some poor, talented Brad Marchand will have his career ended. At this point, I can only hope it wont be one of our boys, but I do hope the multiple lawsuits afterwards might finally be enough to institute a change in mentality and greater protection for the stars that people actually pay good money to go and watch!
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Post by drtaf on Nov 25, 2021 10:29:49 GMT -7
The lack of penalty calls missed is something the league needs to investigate more thoroughly. Although it has become a media story, the freaquency of missed calls has continued. This is not an issue Conner nor Tippet can publically address. This is an issue Ken Holland and the Oilers need to take directly to the League's Director of Officiating and Department of Player Safety for explanation. The team has the ability to compile a video of agregious non calls recently and the fact he leads the league in possession time,but ranks so low in penalties drawn against.Its not a question of whether the penalies drawn by players ranked above Conner were deserved, it is how so many against Conner were overlooked? Conner is not only an asset to the Oilers, but a ticket draw around the league as a whole. This needs a responce from the league before before a serious injury incures. ( thus the involvement of dept. of player safety) Point blank ask the Director of Officiating " Would the officials have made a differant decision on these plays if the Oilers' powerplay wasn't so productive?" Time for KH to get some action from the league, not just the media. Ironically, both Kerry fraser and tim Peel have suggested oilers go this route already, but KH is old school himself, so maybe he is like Torts and thinks raising this issue = whining or being a tattle tale? I'm glad Tipp has raised it publically now just so the guys know he has their back, but it's really KH or even higher, who should be raising this. Another absolutely vicious x-check from behind and into the post by yotes guy last night goes uncalled after he scored. In the other game, Jets Morrissey Viciously axes a guy's legs after an EN, still no calls! Remember Crawford/Bertuzzi? Something like that is going to happen again to a top NHL star and then there will be lots of hand wringing, denials, "it's an isolated incident" etc! and then it will die down and business as usual and some poor, talented Dallas Eakins will have his career ended. At this point, I can only hope it wont be one of our boys, but I do hope the multiple lawsuits afterwards might finally be enough to institute a change in mentality and greater protection for the stars that people actually pay good money to go and watch! Oof, that obscenity filter just put talented and Dallas Eakins in the same sentence, that's even more Obscene 
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Post by south on Nov 25, 2021 11:44:20 GMT -7
Ironically, both Kerry fraser and tim Peel have suggested oilers go this route already, but KH is old school himself, so maybe he is like Torts and thinks raising this issue = whining or being a tattle tale? I'm glad Tipp has raised it publically now just so the guys know he has their back, but it's really KH or even higher, who should be raising this. Another absolutely vicious x-check from behind and into the post by yotes guy last night goes uncalled after he scored. In the other game, Jets Morrissey Viciously axes a guy's legs after an EN, still no calls! Remember Crawford/Bertuzzi? Something like that is going to happen again to a top NHL star and then there will be lots of hand wringing, denials, "it's an isolated incident" etc! and then it will die down and business as usual and some poor, talented Dallas Eakins will have his career ended. At this point, I can only hope it wont be one of our boys, but I do hope the multiple lawsuits afterwards might finally be enough to institute a change in mentality and greater protection for the stars that people actually pay good money to go and watch! Perhaps KH is a bit old school,but it is still his job to protect the Oilers roster. It was the NHL Board of Governors that decided to change the NHL style of play, the referee's job is to call the game as the League dictates. Inform the League head office, when presenting the video 'evidence' that a copy has been provided to Conner's agent. In the unfortunate circumstance that Conner's career is effected, KH has taken action on Conner's behalf.Any future legal action his agent may deem necessary at the time,should only name the League. That may get Bettman's attention. |
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Post by drtaf on Nov 25, 2021 14:00:52 GMT -7
Ironically, both Kerry fraser and tim Peel have suggested oilers go this route already, but KH is old school himself, so maybe he is like Torts and thinks raising this issue = whining or being a tattle tale? I'm glad Tipp has raised it publically now just so the guys know he has their back, but it's really KH or even higher, who should be raising this. Another absolutely vicious x-check from behind and into the post by yotes guy last night goes uncalled after he scored. In the other game, Jets Morrissey Viciously axes a guy's legs after an EN, still no calls! Remember Crawford/Bertuzzi? Something like that is going to happen again to a top NHL star and then there will be lots of hand wringing, denials, "it's an isolated incident" etc! and then it will die down and business as usual and some poor, talented Dallas Eakins will have his career ended. At this point, I can only hope it wont be one of our boys, but I do hope the multiple lawsuits afterwards might finally be enough to institute a change in mentality and greater protection for the stars that people actually pay good money to go and watch! Perhaps KH is a bit old school,but it is still his job to protect the Oilers roster. It was the NHL Board of Governors that decided to change the NHL style of play, the referee's job is to call the game as the League dictates. Inform the League head office, when presenting the video 'evidence' that a copy has been provided to Conner's agent. In the unfortunate circumstance that Conner's career is effected, KH has taken action on Conner's behalf.Any future legal action his agent may deem necessary at the time,should only name the League. That may get Bettman's attention. I really like this idea, put it in writing that you've expressed concerns that the league is not doing its due diligence, then if something bad happens, the league will be really Fooked and on the hook for being sued up the wazoo. Something like this might really get lawyer Bettman's attention. if i was connor's agent, I'd sure as hell do something like this if only to cover my "ASSet"!
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Post by drtaf on Dec 6, 2021 11:49:54 GMT -7
Not sure how many of you saw all the highlights from last night, but it seems official now! The players themselves have officially lost all trust in the refs to officiate the games. No matter what your feelings are about what McD did, he did it out of absolute frustration that the refs refuse to call interference, holding etc on him and so he took matters into his own hands. If you think its worthy of suspension then there were at least 3 incidents that were far more egregious in the Jets-leafs game. Pionk should get 5 games for that knee (No call), Spezza should get 10 games min for his pre-meditated, predatory and retaliatory knee to Pionk's head while in the most vulnerable of positions (again no-call). Matthews said it best: "What was that 3rd period"? It wasn't hockey, it was a GONG show!" Simmonds gave up on the refs and basically challenged everyone to a fight and Stanley duly obliged. The refs just sat back, ordered some popcorn and enjoyed the shiite show they created! In their search for PARITY, they've created PARODY! With the game's 2 most recognizable stars on full display, both were humiliated by the refs. If the NHL thinks this is what the majority of fans want, then this game will slip further down the charts of sports,people will pay for or want to watch.
Personally, I watch a ton of different sports, but Hockey has always been my #1 passion. But recently I find myself more interested in following other sports and if it wasn't for the Myopic sports scene in Canada, I'm sure i would switch channels. I am seriously thinking of getting subscriptions to SKY and other sports channels next year as most of the sports i really like to follow, are already way into their seasons and it would not be worth it this year. I may still be in a minority, but at some point, I can't believe the NHL wont lose fans if this continues!
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Post by windsoroiler on Dec 10, 2021 7:43:23 GMT -7
For anyone that saw last night's game, there were missed calls from both sides.
But the soft call on Drai followed by Yammo clearly skating away behind the net during the PK only to be tripped up then it resulted directly in a goal. I was livid at that non call. Still am... Even the Oil players thought it was a penalty for sure.
We've been playing better past couple games but not getting the results. Foegele played really good but the guy needs to bury some of those. Finally he had an impact and was engaged.
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Post by drtaf on Dec 10, 2021 9:19:41 GMT -7
For anyone that saw last night's game, there were missed calls from both sides. But the soft call on Drai followed by Yammo clearly skating away behind the net during the PK only to be tripped up then it resulted directly in a goal. I was livid at that non call. Still am... Even the Oil players thought it was a penalty for sure. We've been playing better past couple games but not getting the results. Foegele played really good but the guy needs to bury some of those. Finally he had an impact and was engaged. Yeah, the first 30 mins were so brutal, but then all of a sudden it was like the refs woke up or took off their blindfolds. It almost felt like they must have got a call from head office to stay "Stop embarrassing yourselves and us and start calling it properly". From 30 mins on, they still missed lots but at least it was more even on both sides? As for the game, I actually liked their effort, it was the first game in quite a while I felt like "We should've won"!
The shortie was brutal, LDB's goal was a direct result of that missed call and having kass and Barrie on the ice at any time is a bad idea, but in last 3mins of a tied game is a terrible coaching error IMO.
The problems that have been around for a few seasons now are still there despite KH's latest off season additions. We are "out-goalied" 90% of the time, if McD or Drai (or usually both) aren't on the ice, then we dont score period. The Bottom 6 not only almost never score, they can't be trusted to do bottom 6 things, like keep puck out of the net, hustle and play 12-15mins a night of wearing down the opposition. "The D will be excellent one day" is something that's also been said in these parts for a few years, but "one day" still hasn't arrived. Not 100% sure if this is because the forwards dont chip in, or the "vets" kh brought in are useless (probably both), since my eyeball analysis says overall the "young D" are playing really well and you shouldn't expect much more from them Tbh?
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Post by AlwaysOil on Dec 10, 2021 9:57:59 GMT -7
For anyone that saw last night's game, there were missed calls from both sides. But the soft call on Drai followed by Yammo clearly skating away behind the net during the PK only to be tripped up then it resulted directly in a goal. I was livid at that non call. Still am... Even the Oil players thought it was a penalty for sure. We've been playing better past couple games but not getting the results. Foegele played really good but the guy needs to bury some of those. Finally he had an impact and was engaged. Yeah, the first 30 mins were so brutal, but then all of a sudden it was like the refs woke up or took off their blindfolds. It almost felt like they must have got a call from head office to stay "Stop embarrassing yourselves and us and start calling it properly or everyone will know we rig games". From 30 mins on, they still missed lots but at least it was more even on both sides? As for the game, I actually liked their effort, it was the first game in quite a while I felt like "We should've won"!
The shortie was brutal, LDB's goal was a direct result of that missed call and having kass and Barrie on the ice at any time is a bad idea, but in last 3mins of a tied game is a terrible coaching error IMO.
The problems that have been around for a few seasons now are still there despite KH's latest off season additions. We are "out-goalied" 90% of the time, if McD or Drai (or usually both) aren't on the ice, then we dont score period. The Bottom 6 not only almost never score, they can't be trusted to do bottom 6 things, like keep puck out of the net, hustle and play 12-15mins a night of wearing down the opposition. "The D will be excellent one day" is something that's also been said in these parts for a few years, but "one day" still hasn't arrived. Not 100% sure if this is because the forwards dont chip in, or the "vets" kh brought in are useless (probably both), since my eyeball analysis says overall the "young D" are playing really well and you shouldn't expect much more from them Tbh? Fixed it for you.
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Post by mrtea on Dec 10, 2021 11:35:12 GMT -7
For anyone that saw last night's game, there were missed calls from both sides. But the soft call on Drai followed by Yammo clearly skating away behind the net during the PK only to be tripped up then it resulted directly in a goal. I was livid at that non call. Still am... Even the Oil players thought it was a penalty for sure. We've been playing better past couple games but not getting the results. Foegele played really good but the guy needs to bury some of those. Finally he had an impact and was engaged. I missed the 1st period, but the 2nd and 3rd periods the Oilers had lots of offensive zone time and according to the stats outshot Boston in each period. The officiating was terrible again last night. The amount of gooning it takes on an Oiler player before a ref calls a penalty is getting ridicules. There has to be some kind of directive to the refs telling them to behave like this because it's getting so blatant that no other explanation makes any sense. Yamamoto was being roughed up on the boards in the 3rd and only after skating through it and finally being brought down to the ice in front of two refs was it called by the ref farther away. Why didn't the ref who was closer to the take down call it?
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Post by blackhawk216 on Dec 10, 2021 13:06:39 GMT -7
For anyone that saw last night's game, there were missed calls from both sides. But the soft call on Drai followed by Yammo clearly skating away behind the net during the PK only to be tripped up then it resulted directly in a goal. I was livid at that non call. Still am... Even the Oil players thought it was a penalty for sure. We've been playing better past couple games but not getting the results. Foegele played really good but the guy needs to bury some of those. Finally he had an impact and was engaged. I missed the 1st period, but the 2nd and 3rd periods the Oilers had lots of offensive zone time and according to the stats outshot Boston in each period. The officiating was terrible again last night. The amount of gooning it takes on an Oiler player before a ref calls a penalty is getting ridicules. There has to be some kind of directive to the refs telling them to behave like this because it's getting so blatant that no other explanation makes any sense. Yamamoto was being roughed up on the boards in the 3rd and only after skating through it and finally being brought down to the ice in front of two refs was it called by the ref farther away. Why didn't the ref who was closer to the take down call it? Also why didn't the ref who was just a few feet away not see the Boston defender's blade of his stick bring down Yammo which then led to De Brusk's goal? I saw his arm go up as the puck entered the net and though good he has given a penalty, but it stopped half way horizontally indicating a goal. That was either utmost incompetence, or as we often say on here "the fix is on"............or the guy could be blind in one eye in which case he shouldn't be officiating at this level. It was such an obvious take down questions do need to be asked, and if they are not being asked, shame on the Oilers for allowing this fiasco to continue. This BS happens night after night.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 15, 2022 12:18:33 GMT -7
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Post by blackhawk216 on Apr 15, 2022 12:45:12 GMT -7
If this was football (the European/South American football) I can think of many coaches that would have pulled their team off the field of play. This guy Syvret(?) should not be officiating at the NHL level. Nothing more to add, other than it is an embarrassment to the league, or at least it should be. Yet again we saw another example of dumb or bent officiating last night v Nashville when Connor McDavid clearly, very clearly had his stick held and virtually pulled out of his grasp with no call, and guess what, his frustration quite understandably built up, and he gets a penalty for reacting to yet another blunder by the refs. Disgraceful officiating allround in the NHL.
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Post by neufab94 on Jun 6, 2022 18:19:38 GMT -7
There is absolutely no way that American fans would tolerate the level of lopsided calls that Canadian fans experience. Some Fog would probably bring a gun. It's not that the calls being made aren't calls, it's more so not calling those same calls the other way.
On a different note, the play should be called dead if it hits an official. The officials already have too much of an impact on the game and having them get in the way of the play is just a nuisance.
I have lost what little respect remained for the officials and cheer when I see a ref get hurt.
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Post by drtaf on Jun 7, 2022 9:14:26 GMT -7
There is absolutely no way that American fans would tolerate the level of lopsided calls that Canadian fans experience. Some Fog would probably bring a gun. It's not that the calls being made aren't calls, it's more so not calling those same calls the other way. On a different note, the play should be called dead if it hits an official. The officials already have too much of an impact on the game and having them get in the way of the play is just a nuisance. I have lost what little respect remained for the officials and cheer when I see a ref get hurt. I've thrown a ton of shiite at the refs this year and fully believe they manage and manipulate games, but last night's clearance by smitty was just an unfortunate hockey play and was a mistake by Smitty, he should have left that to nurse. IDK if he believes his own press about being the best puckhandling goalie in the game, but there are times to demonstrate it and times to let the D do their job. It's great when it works and gives us a 3 on1 like it did once last night (we didn't score), but it can bite you in the butt if it gets intercepted or doesn't leave the zone and that happened 1 too many times in this series. It's a live by sword, die by sword scenario and we died because 5 goals weren't enough on too many occasions in this year's playoffs
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