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Post by happyhappy on Jul 5, 2024 18:03:18 GMT -7
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Post by windsoroiler on Jul 5, 2024 21:31:46 GMT -7
Really don;t get why Sabres would do this. Matthew Savoie is 3 years cheap for us which is another bonus. He is 5'9-5'10 so he's not very big but he's only 20. Does Buffalo have plenty of prospects in their system yes. Savoie has all of the skills but is the hockey IQ there? Some say no but again he's only 20.
We can now have the 20 man roster posted earlier. No Kane or Ceci trade. Instead of McLeod at 4C you have Peterson or Philp, giving Savoie time in the AHL.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Jul 5, 2024 22:29:27 GMT -7
Really don;t get why Sabres would do this. Matthew Savoie is 3 years cheap for us which is another bonus. He is 5'9-5'10 so he's not very big but he's only 20. Does Buffalo have plenty of prospects in their system yes. Savoie has all of the skills but is the hockey IQ there? Some say no but again he's only 20. We can now have the 20 man roster posted earlier. No Kane or Ceci trade. Instead of McLeod at 4C you have Peterson or Philp, giving Savoie time in the AHL. Sabres need to replace at least part of what Skinner’s departure cost them and prospects are not going to do that. Sabres need to make the playoffs. I would bet they would trade even more prospects if they could land a player that puts them over that playoff hump. Like us, but only different, they are in win now mode.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 6, 2024 8:35:36 GMT -7
Really don;t get why Sabres would do this. Matthew Savoie is 3 years cheap for us which is another bonus. He is 5'9-5'10 so he's not very big but he's only 20. Does Buffalo have plenty of prospects in their system yes. Savoie has all of the skills but is the hockey IQ there? Some say no but again he's only 20. We can now have the 20 man roster posted earlier. No Kane or Ceci trade. Instead of McLeod at 4C you have Peterson or Philp, giving Savoie time in the AHL. Sabres need to replace at least part of what Skinner’s departure cost them and prospects are not going to do that. Sabres need to make the playoffs. I would bet they would trade even more prospects if they could land a player that puts them over that playoff hump. Like us, but only different, they are in win now mode. This right here. If I am Jackson I'm looking to make more moves with Buffalo. I'd be talking to New Jersey too, they haven't outright said it, but I bet they are chomping at the bit to make some playoff noise
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 6, 2024 8:36:52 GMT -7
Matt Savoie ... this kid can play. My crooked eye tells me the IQ is there. If anybody watches the DUB, they've seen this kid play. This highlight video is just ridiculous, he has a bedard like eye for the net. wow.
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Post by toley on Jul 6, 2024 9:23:40 GMT -7
Sabres need to replace at least part of what Skinner’s departure cost them and prospects are not going to do that. Sabres need to make the playoffs. I would bet they would trade even more prospects if they could land a player that puts them over that playoff hump. Like us, but only different, they are in win now mode. This right here. If I am Jackson I'm looking to make more moves with Buffalo. I'd be talking to New Jersey too, they haven't outright said it, but I bet they are chomping at the bit to make some playoff noise This trade seems situational, Buffalo needed a third line center with McLeod on the out aways with the Henrique signing and this Oilers Management group is keen on restocking the cupboards of prospects. Really all I can see is Bourgault being trade bait for the Trade Deadline. Who does New Jersey have that they'd be willing to move? I'd be interested in stocking the defensive pool. |
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 6, 2024 12:01:00 GMT -7
This right here. If I am Jackson I'm looking to make more moves with Buffalo. I'd be talking to New Jersey too, they haven't outright said it, but I bet they are chomping at the bit to make some playoff noise This trade seems situational, Buffalo needed a third line center with McLeod on the out aways with the Henrique signing and this Oilers Management group is keen on restocking the cupboards of prospects. Really all I can see is Bourgault being trade bait for the Trade Deadline. Who does New Jersey have that they'd be willing to move? I'd be interested in stocking the defensive pool. I'd be interested in Pesce and Dillon to be honest
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Post by toley on Jul 6, 2024 12:12:56 GMT -7
This trade seems situational, Buffalo needed a third line center with McLeod on the out aways with the Henrique signing and this Oilers Management group is keen on restocking the cupboards of prospects. Really all I can see is Bourgault being trade bait for the Trade Deadline. Who does New Jersey have that they'd be willing to move? I'd be interested in stocking the defensive pool. I'd be interested in Pesce and Dillon to be honest They just signed those two, not likely. |
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Post by Bronco73 on Jul 6, 2024 12:16:48 GMT -7
I'd be interested in Pesce and Dillon to be honest They just signed those two, not likely. probably not, but to me that would be the two guys that would fit here best
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Post by happyhappy on Jul 6, 2024 15:55:13 GMT -7
Matt Savoie ... this kid can play. My crooked eye tells me the IQ is there. If anybody watches the DUB, they've seen this kid play. This highlight video is just ridiculous, he has a bedard like eye for the net. wow. Quoted you 3 times in 15 min bronc haha, I swear I ain't trolling ya.  Yes he is clearly a goal scorer with vision. I did read somewhere that last season he started to give the puck up a lot, almost as if he was trying to do too much, bc he that far above the competition he faces. The AHL will quickly correct this flaw if true. Big step going from junior to pro. One article I read though figured he'd be a point per game player in the AHL this year. That's Bold. But encouraging!
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Post by drtaf on Jul 8, 2024 14:10:37 GMT -7
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Post by mrtea on Jul 8, 2024 15:34:29 GMT -7
I don't think any forwards from Bakersfield will be called up this season unless injuries occur on the big club. Their mission this year is to work hard, put up good numbers in the Bake and be ready next season after our one year and other contracts expire. I'd be surprised if they all didn't realize this, but I hope they feel free to make those decisions as difficult on management as possible.
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Post by toley on Jul 8, 2024 16:24:00 GMT -7
I don't think any forwards from Bakersfield will be called up this season unless injuries occur on the big club. Their mission this year is to work hard, put up good numbers in the Bake and be ready next season after our one year and other contracts expire. I'd be surprised if they all didn't realize this, but I hope they feel free to make those decisions as difficult on management as possible. I keep hearing Lane Pederson will be the fourth center out of camp, wouldn't be a call up necessarily then. I question how close one of the defensemen are to a call up? I hear great things about Wanner. |
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Post by happyhappy on Jul 8, 2024 16:35:11 GMT -7
I don't think any forwards from Bakersfield will be called up this season unless injuries occur on the big club. Their mission this year is to work hard, put up good numbers in the Bake and be ready next season after our one year and other contracts expire. I'd be surprised if they all didn't realize this, but I hope they feel free to make those decisions as difficult on management as possible. I keep hearing Lane Pederson will be the fourth center out of camp, wouldn't be a call up necessarily then. I question how close one of the defensemen are to a call up? I hear great things about Wanner. I have not heard that on Pederson but I have heard he could be a call-up at C should injury arise. I honestly thought he was just a space filler but maybe the org has more in mind for him, guess we'll see. I too hear great things on Wanner, though he is farther down the D depth chart, Lowetide figures he's gonna leap several players ahead of him this season, again, guess we'll see. Nice to hear positive news on the farm, Condors should have a pretty solid team this year I reckon.
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Post by mrtea on Jul 8, 2024 18:26:51 GMT -7
I keep hearing Lane Pederson will be the fourth center out of camp, wouldn't be a call up necessarily then. I question how close one of the defensemen are to a call up? I hear great things about Wanner. I have not heard that on Pederson but I have heard he could be a call-up at C should injury arise. I honestly thought he was just a space filler but maybe the org has more in mind for him, guess we'll see. I too hear great things on Wanner, though he is farther down the D depth chart, Lowetide figures he's gonna leap several players ahead of him this season, again, guess we'll see. Nice to hear positive news on the farm, Condors should have a pretty solid team this year I reckon. When it comes to Wanner and our D situation.....leap away.
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Post by happyhappy on Jul 8, 2024 20:14:15 GMT -7
I have not heard that on Pederson but I have heard he could be a call-up at C should injury arise. I honestly thought he was just a space filler but maybe the org has more in mind for him, guess we'll see. I too hear great things on Wanner, though he is farther down the D depth chart, Lowetide figures he's gonna leap several players ahead of him this season, again, guess we'll see. Nice to hear positive news on the farm, Condors should have a pretty solid team this year I reckon. When it comes to Wanner and our D situation.....leap away. I dunno T, I don't think our D sich is thaaat bad. I hate to disagree with you, I think this heat has you in a feisty mood, and I'm a lil bit scared.    Let's have a look. I do agree our D is a weakness, but we have some gooders/keepers. www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20232024&positions=d&team=edm&group_by=player_season_teamwww.capfriendly.com/teams/oilersEkholm is at 36, if we can get 2 more solid years out of the Viking at 6/per, that's great value. Man we will miss him. Nurse is only 29, love him or hate him, obv overpaid, is still a fine D man that plays many minutes against the league's elite. Bouchard, 24! Stud D man imo and on the rise, makes mistakes but learns from them. Must keep this kid, he is core afaic. Broberg, 23! Proved his value in the playoffs after being overgroomed in the AHL. That's ok, sign this man! Kulak 30. Solid Dman, Right price. Ceci 30. Like Nurse, some like him, most don't. Price is the problem. Younger players are pushing. Stetcher/Brown, both 30 also chomping at the bit. .... On the farm on D we have: 19 yr old Akey who may be money, he is a fine prospect, skilled and smart, starting his ELC. RD. Wanner, 21, 2nd yr ELC, another young prospect on the rise. RD. Gleason, Kemp, and the rest signed at minimal, not likely to see time on our NHL club butcha never know. Glass half full Tea! Plus we have Coffey who has 100% changed the way or D moves the puck. 
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Post by mrtea on Jul 8, 2024 22:54:53 GMT -7
When it comes to Wanner and our D situation.....leap away. I dunno T, I don't think our D sich is thaaat bad. I hate to disagree with you, I think this heat has you in a feisty mood, and I'm a lil bit scared. Let's have a look. I do agree our D is a weakness, but we have some gooders/keepers. www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20232024&positions=d&team=edm&group_by=player_season_teamwww.capfriendly.com/teams/oilersEkholm is at 36, if we can get 2 more solid years out of the Viking at 6/per, that's great value. Man we will miss him. Nurse is only 29, love him or hate him, obv overpaid, is still a fine D man that plays many minutes against the league's elite. Bouchard, 24! Stud D man imo and on the rise, makes mistakes but learns from them. Must keep this kid, he is core afaic. Broberg, 23! Proved his value in the playoffs after being overgroomed in the AHL. That's ok, sign this man! Kulak 30. Solid Dman, Right price. Ceci 30. Like Nurse, some like him, most don't. Price is the problem. Younger players are pushing. Stetcher/Brown, both 30 also chomping at the bit. .... On the farm on D we have: 19 yr old Akey who may be money, he is a fine prospect, skilled and smart, starting his ELC. RD. Wanner, 21, 2nd yr ELC, another young prospect on the rise. RD. Gleason, Kemp, and the rest signed at minimal, not likely to see time on our NHL club butcha never know. Glass half full Tea! Plus we have Coffey who has 100% changed the way or D moves the puck. For the most part I agree with you Happy and no worries I'm just working through those dog days of summer and we all get a little feisty once in a while. As for our D I'm fine going into the season with our D as is as we are, but Nurse needs to buckle down and find his game somewhere during the regular season. You never know which Nurse will show up on any given play, good Nurse or bad Nurse and we saw both during the playoffs a lot. The difference between his two versions is striking. It makes you wonder how the guy that has made all these good plays just totally goes to sleep letting players beat him to the outside without even trying to close on them? Other times it's him forgetting to watch the front of the net and then trying to get there too late. Sometimes I think he should go and watch old tapes of Pronger because Nurse has the physical ability to play like him but not the drive or knowledge to do it. I don't know why he can't just be good Nurse all the time? Something is missing and I wish he would find it and get his game together for good. I like Ceci, but it seems like he is the week link and to have guaranteed success in the playoffs an upgrade at the trade deadline would help our cause considerably. The prospects in Bakersfield might be able to help out, but you can't depend on that as a sure thing so I guess we'll have to wait and see. That's why I find it very early in the season to do any deep discussing of team structure when we still don't have a permanent GM yet. The big questions will work themselves out as the off season progresses and I see no reason for some people to start complaining so early for basically nothing. Yeah, gotta love what Coffey has been able to do with our D and actually Happy I think the glass is almost full!
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Post by drtaf on Jul 9, 2024 8:27:59 GMT -7
When it comes to Wanner and our D situation.....leap away. I dunno T, I don't think our D sich is thaaat bad. I hate to disagree with you, I think this heat has you in a feisty mood, and I'm a lil bit scared. Let's have a look. I do agree our D is a weakness, but we have some gooders/keepers. www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20232024&positions=d&team=edm&group_by=player_season_teamwww.capfriendly.com/teams/oilersEkholm is at 36, if we can get 2 more solid years out of the Viking at 6/per, that's great value. Man we will miss him. Nurse is only 29, love him or hate him, obv overpaid, is still a fine D man that plays many minutes against the league's elite. Bouchard, 24! Stud D man imo and on the rise, makes mistakes but learns from them. Must keep this kid, he is core afaic. Broberg, 23! Proved his value in the playoffs after being overgroomed in the AHL. That's ok, sign this man! Kulak 30. Solid Dman, Right price. Ceci 30. Like Nurse, some like him, most don't. Price is the problem. Younger players are pushing. Stetcher/Brown, both 30 also chomping at the bit. .... On the farm on D we have: 19 yr old Akey who may be money, he is a fine prospect, skilled and smart, starting his ELC. RD. Wanner, 21, 2nd yr ELC, another young prospect on the rise. RD. Gleason, Kemp, and the rest signed at minimal, not likely to see time on our NHL club butcha never know. Glass half full Tea! Plus we have Coffey who has 100% changed the way or D moves the puck. Good Summary HH, but IMO it highlights our lack of depth at this position not showcases it? With Broberg "graduated", I just dont see another "Bro" in the pipeline ready to step up? the prospects on this list look at least 1-2 seasons more in the AHL from being NHL-ready if they ever progress that far? Ironically, i'm one who believes more in throwing prospects into the fire to see what they can do and was hoping we brought up Bro to start last season, but IMO he looked more or less ready? Bringing any of these particular prospects up now would be more like "cannon fodder" as they need at last 1 more year to develop (Akey may be closest and Wan could accelerate, who knows)? The problem is we have no cap, so we either have to trade someone (kulak and Ceci are expendable), but we'll have to throw in a decent forward prospect (a la tullio) if we want that D to be an upgrade over those 2? Plan B is to see whether Brown or stech can easily replace ceci or Kulak and then basically dump those guys (either one not necessarily both, prefer to dump Ceci) for D-prospects that wont make the team this year but just might next and at least improve our overall d-pool. TBH, i dont expect much to happen now before training camp and certainly not before the new GM hire?
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Post by happyhappy on Jul 9, 2024 8:38:13 GMT -7
I dunno T, I don't think our D sich is thaaat bad. I hate to disagree with you, I think this heat has you in a feisty mood, and I'm a lil bit scared. Let's have a look. I do agree our D is a weakness, but we have some gooders/keepers. www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20232024&positions=d&team=edm&group_by=player_season_teamwww.capfriendly.com/teams/oilersEkholm is at 36, if we can get 2 more solid years out of the Viking at 6/per, that's great value. Man we will miss him. Nurse is only 29, love him or hate him, obv overpaid, is still a fine D man that plays many minutes against the league's elite. Bouchard, 24! Stud D man imo and on the rise, makes mistakes but learns from them. Must keep this kid, he is core afaic. Broberg, 23! Proved his value in the playoffs after being overgroomed in the AHL. That's ok, sign this man! Kulak 30. Solid Dman, Right price. Ceci 30. Like Nurse, some like him, most don't. Price is the problem. Younger players are pushing. Stetcher/Brown, both 30 also chomping at the bit. .... On the farm on D we have: 19 yr old Akey who may be money, he is a fine prospect, skilled and smart, starting his ELC. RD. Wanner, 21, 2nd yr ELC, another young prospect on the rise. RD. Gleason, Kemp, and the rest signed at minimal, not likely to see time on our NHL club butcha never know. Glass half full Tea! Plus we have Coffey who has 100% changed the way or D moves the puck. Good Summary HH, but IMO it highlights our lack of depth at this position not showcases it? With Broberg "graduated", I just dont see another "Bro" in the pipeline ready to step up? the prospects on this list look at least 1-2 seasons more in the AHL from being NHL-ready if they ever progress that far? Ironically, i'm one who believes more in throwing prospects into the fire to see what they can do and was hoping we brought up Bro to start last season, but IMO he looked more or less ready? Bringing any of these particular prospects up now would be more like "cannon fodder" as they need at last 1 more year to develop (Akey may be closest and Wan could accelerate, who knows)? The problem is we have no cap, so we either have to trade someone (kulak and Ceci are expendable), but we'll have to throw in a decent forward prospect (a la tullio) if we want that D to be an upgrade over those 2? Plan B is to see whether Brown or stech can easily replace ceci or Kulak and then basically dump those guys (either one not necessarily both, prefer to dump Ceci) for D-prospects that wont make the team this year but just might next and at least improve our overall d-pool. TBH, i dont expect much to happen now before training camp and certainly not before the new GM hire? Yeah, we are lacking depth no doubt. I agree with pretty much all you've said. Maybe Kemp(25) or Gleason(26) or Hoefenmayer(25) or Dineen(26) shines in camp and is given a chance. Understandably we cannot rely on that though. Carrick(30), didn't we just acquire him, what's the deal with this guy? These guys are all on their last year of their ELCs. I'd expect a few invites to camp as well. Just looking for internal solutions. Speaking of GM hire, I wonder when the heck that's gonna happen?!
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Post by windsoroiler on Jul 11, 2024 9:05:15 GMT -7
McD getting married soon (this month) and Drai just proposed. No getting into players lives but the soon to be wives are close as we know McD and Drai are close. Let's see what the Drai extension is. I'm going to guess between 10-12 million. Followed by McD for the same $ (12.5) or less. Just guessing. Seeing other players take discounts that make a crap load less, hard to be the best of leaders if you don't follow suit. Goal is to win, they have plenty of endorsements, stay on a winning team for the rest of their careers. Live life to the fullest in the offseason. Raise a family in a decent city where family trumps the cold. Just spitballing here... putting a puzzle together that has all the pieces.
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