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Post by fogolin2 on Jun 7, 2020 13:37:18 GMT -7
Like raises to Horcoff? Pisani? Hemsky? How'd those work out? The reasons we have Nuge 😂 It's still an issue on management, directing your anger in the wrong direction. Smyth deserves the honor, it's been awhile. Management negotiated, and so did Smyth. They couldn't come to an agreement. Smyth was offered a 30% raise, and took a hard stand for more. He got his money.
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Post by toley on Jun 8, 2020 9:12:19 GMT -7
The reasons we have Nuge 😂 It's still an issue on management, directing your anger in the wrong direction. Smyth deserves the honor, it's been awhile. Management negotiated, and so did Smyth. They couldn't come to an agreement. Smyth was offered a 30% raise, and took a hard stand for more. He got his money. It does take 2 to tango, thought I don't see how that should hold him back from that honor.
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Post by drtaf on Jun 8, 2020 11:09:14 GMT -7
I agree toley, Smyth should get some recognition even though he's not the elite player that the 80's team had (It's a lot tougher to be a good player amongst crap than being surrouunded by other great players). I also agree that Lowe not budging on the extra 750k was the right decision. Smyth proved he wasnt worth that money, the team couldnt afford that for a declining asset at the time and its too bad that we totally wasted all the picks we got for him otherwise that should have been one of the best trades the Oilers ever did! The wasted assets from that era are far too numerous to mention, but Lowe handled the finances pretty good during very trying times IMO. His GM skills of turning picks into good NHL material is what let him down (or his loyalty at times to the people who advised him on picks IDK TBH). How he handled pressers/media was also terrible.
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Post by drtaf on Jun 8, 2020 11:11:16 GMT -7
And btw the Smyth Nuge comparison is not bad, very different players, but both "True Oilers" IMO
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Post by toley on Jun 8, 2020 17:26:18 GMT -7
I agree toley, Smyth should get some recognition even though he's not the elite player that the 80's team had (It's a lot tougher to be a good player amongst crap than being surrouunded by other great players). I also agree that Lowe not budging on the extra 750k was the right decision. Smyth proved he wasnt worth that money, the team couldnt afford that for a declining asset at the time and its too bad that we totally wasted all the picks we got for him otherwise that should have been one of the best trades the Oilers ever did! The wasted assets from that era are far too numerous to mention, but Lowe handled the finances pretty good during very trying times IMO. His GM skills of turning picks into good NHL material is what let him down (or his loyalty at times to the people who advised him on picks IDK TBH). How he handled pressers/media was also terrible. Like any GM, they'll have their pros and cons. Lol it was a hard day when Smitty got trade, also pretty sure it was also the last time the Oilers retired a number(Messier).
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Post by neufab94 on Jun 9, 2020 10:19:15 GMT -7
The era in Oilers history that you guys are talking about is probably the worst time that the Oilers faced. The Oilers had no money, no elite players and desperate management. Putting Horcoff's name alongside the others is just wrong. Horcoff's contract was one of the worst contracts ever given out and a total fail at an experiment to pay a 3rd line center the salary of a 1st line center and hope he turned into that caliber of player. Pisani was over payed after a terrific play off run. He could not maintain that level of play the next season and then throwing in his health problems made that contract look even worse than it was. Luckily for the Oilers Pisani retired soon after because of health issues. Hemsky really had no one to play with that could utilize his skills for maximum results. Ryan Smyth and Ales Hemsky were the best players we had, but they are complimentary players that could help a good team be better. They were not elite players but they did deserve raises once in a while just like any other deserving player. The $5mil being offered to Smyth was a 30% raise. He held out for $5.75mil and cried about it. I completely disagree with your perspective on Smyth. Management sucked and as a result so did the team. Trading Smyth ripped the heart and soul out of team which took a decade to fix and left fans watching some bad, gutless, heartless hockey.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jun 9, 2020 19:48:46 GMT -7
The $5mil being offered to Smyth was a 30% raise. He held out for $5.75mil and cried about it. I completely disagree with your perspective on Smyth. Management sucked and as a result so did the team. Trading Smyth ripped the heart and soul out of team which took a decade to fix and left fans watching some bad, gutless, heartless hockey. How much does 'heart' and 'guts' cost? We didn't have an extra 3/4 of a mil laying around and Smyth knew it and, if he was honest with himself he knew, he wasn't worth it. Proved it for years afterwards. He got his money. Good on him. Sold out.
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Post by neufab94 on Jun 10, 2020 15:00:45 GMT -7
I completely disagree with your perspective on Smyth. Management sucked and as a result so did the team. Trading Smyth ripped the heart and soul out of team which took a decade to fix and left fans watching some bad, gutless, heartless hockey. How much does 'heart' and 'guts' cost? We didn't have an extra 3/4 of a mil laying around and Smyth knew it and, if he was honest with himself he knew, he wasn't worth it. Proved it for years afterwards. He got his money. Good on him. Sold out. I will never agree with you on this so we will have to agree to disagree. Smyth was by far the most valuable player on the team at that time and top point producer, reliable scorer and had over the course of his career as an Oiler taken the hometown discount while management was throwing money around like rice at a wedding. NOT 'sold out'... GOT SCREWED!
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jun 10, 2020 21:12:41 GMT -7
How much does 'heart' and 'guts' cost? We didn't have an extra 3/4 of a mil laying around and Smyth knew it and, if he was honest with himself he knew, he wasn't worth it. Proved it for years afterwards. He got his money. Good on him. Sold out. I will never agree with you on this so we will have to agree to disagree. Smyth was by far the most valuable player on the team at that time and top point producer, reliable scorer and had over the course of his career as an Oiler taken the hometown discount while management was throwing money around like rice at a wedding. NOT 'sold out'... GOT SCREWED! I agree he was our heart and soul, and he was our best player, BUT I do also believe that the Oilers were broke at the time. Rumours of being sold and moved. Smyth could have EASILY accepted that $5M offer. Did he deserve the extra 750K? Of course. The issue was Oilers financial situation at that moment in time. They were in the middle of getting offers too sell the team. In the end, that $750K was more important to Smyth than the state of the Organization.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jun 11, 2020 16:15:36 GMT -7
Twitter continues having it's moment. I snort laughed.
Producer Clark @clarkmunroe Replying to @tsnotoole My wife thought “Ryan Nugent-Hopkins” was actually “The New Jim Hopkins” for a good year and a half before I finally realized what she was thinking.
She thought he replaced the Old Jim Hopkins...
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Post by Messier11 on Jun 27, 2020 16:39:20 GMT -7
I will never agree with you on this so we will have to agree to disagree. Smyth was by far the most valuable player on the team at that time and top point producer, reliable scorer and had over the course of his career as an Oiler taken the hometown discount while management was throwing money around like rice at a wedding. NOT 'sold out'... GOT SCREWED! I agree he was our heart and soul, and he was our best player, BUT I do also believe that the Oilers were broke at the time. Rumours of being sold and moved. Smyth could have EASILY accepted that $5M offer. Did he deserve the extra 750K? Of course. The issue was Oilers financial situation at that moment in time. They were in the middle of getting offers too sell the team. In the end, that $750K was more important to Smyth than the state of the Organization. They seemed to have no issue spending huge money extending Shawn Horcoff the very next year. There was no rumors of being moved. Katz was bulldozing his way into ownership but OEG didn’t actually want to sell. They were doing fine. The cap helped the oilers and there were no issues financially. This wasn’t 1997. Oilers were making tons of money in the mid 2000’s.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Jun 28, 2020 21:53:37 GMT -7
I agree he was our heart and soul, and he was our best player, BUT I do also believe that the Oilers were broke at the time. Rumours of being sold and moved. Smyth could have EASILY accepted that $5M offer. Did he deserve the extra 750K? Of course. The issue was Oilers financial situation at that moment in time. They were in the middle of getting offers too sell the team. In the end, that $750K was more important to Smyth than the state of the Organization. They seemed to have no issue spending huge money extending Shawn Horcoff the very next year. There was no rumors of being moved. Katz was bulldozing his way into ownership but OEG didn’t actually want to sell. They were doing fine. The cap helped the oilers and there were no issues financially. This wasn’t 1997. Oilers were making tons of money in the mid 2000’s. You’re right about the relocation. I got my years mixed up. But the EIG did wanna sell. There was a small group of 6 within the EIG that were fighting the sale and trying to come up with the funds to keep the team.
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Post by onebit on Apr 8, 2023 17:09:28 GMT -7
It will be interesting to see what he wants, until then it's tough to know whether or not we even can keep him. If he is going to be wanting a huge raise it's probable that we won't be able to afford to keep him Anybody predict #4 in league scoring?
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 10, 2023 21:19:13 GMT -7
It will be interesting to see what he wants, until then it's tough to know whether or not we even can keep him. If he is going to be wanting a huge raise it's probable that we won't be able to afford to keep him Anybody predict #4 in league scoring? wow that's a hell of a quote... from 3 years ago lmao!!!! I don't think anybody could have predicted that, but it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. He's put in his time and earned this.
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