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Post by onebit on May 24, 2021 17:39:15 GMT -7
Very interesting comments. A team can win games 5 to 1 or 6 to 1, but they can't win the cup that way. The 80's oilers figured that out again'st the Islanders. The Oilers then had to figure out the sacrifice that the Islanders were willing to endure to win a dynasty. One point is well taken, I have also raised it in the past. Playing forwards over 25 minutes a game is unusual game in game out. The Oil can exploit unprepared teams. In the playoffs it is a different season all together. Refs will let things go, most fans and players like it that way. It is a more physical game. Like the Flames, the Oilers must figure out what it takes to win in the playoffs. IMO offense alone may win a series, more likely lose you a series, defenses win Stanley Cups. Smith had a bad 1/2 a game, is Kos the answer? I tend to think it is a team thing. After game interviews both Drai and McD indicated this much, the team needs to learn to defend leads. Often that means both players and fans have to be on pins and needles last few minutes of the game. I really do get the impression that Oiler fans think they can win cups by offense alone, to hell with defense. I'm skeptical. Don't get me wrong CAF, I'm not talking about run n' gun for a full 60, I'm saying stick to what got you there rather than flat out shutting down and going into a defensive shell. Just because you're up 4 - 1 shouldn't mean that the opposition zone becomes a no-fly zone. It's one thing to play defense and another to start playing "not to lose"
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 24, 2021 19:29:14 GMT -7
Very interesting comments. A team can win games 5 to 1 or 6 to 1, but they can't win the cup that way. The 80's oilers figured that out again'st the Islanders. The Oilers then had to figure out the sacrifice that the Islanders were willing to endure to win a dynasty. One point is well taken, I have also raised it in the past. Playing forwards over 25 minutes a game is unusual game in game out. The Oil can exploit unprepared teams. In the playoffs it is a different season all together. Refs will let things go, most fans and players like it that way. It is a more physical game. Like the Flames, the Oilers must figure out what it takes to win in the playoffs. IMO offense alone may win a series, more likely lose you a series, defenses win Stanley Cups. Smith had a bad 1/2 a game, is Kos the answer? I tend to think it is a team thing. After game interviews both Drai and McD indicated this much, the team needs to learn to defend leads. Often that means both players and fans have to be on pins and needles last few minutes of the game. I really do get the impression that Oiler fans think they can win cups by offense alone, to hell with defense. I'm skeptical. Don't get me wrong CAF, I'm not talking about run n' gun for a full 60, I'm saying stick to what got you there rather than flat out shutting down and going into a defensive shell. Just because you're up 4 - 1 shouldn't mean that the opposition zone becomes a no-fly zone. It's one thing to play defense and another to start playing "not to lose" I think Winnipeg changed it's game in the 3rd, the Oilers had to "adjust". Winnipeg was playing better defense and taking full advantage of turnovers. The Oilers just couldn't take advantage of the chances they did have, I think they just started to panic, because like you said they were still trying to play their game and it wasn't working near the end of the game. I haven't watched many Oiler games this year, I'm curious if these end of game losses are somewhat regular? You are correct though, they were playing not to lose because of the fear of not winning. Far easier to play to win when the momentum is on your side.
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Post by rickster on May 25, 2021 7:29:51 GMT -7
End of April Paul Maurice was benching his star player for "not playing right", getting Scheifele and the rest of the team ready for playoff hockey. Meanwhile, Tippet was loading up a line to get McDavid over the 100 point plateau. Both coaches succeeded.
It may have cost Maurice his job if Scheifele had pouted and the Jets missed the playoffs, just as getting the Oilers ready to play playoff hockey might have cost Tippet his job, depending on how his stars reacted.
Coaching is not an easy profession.
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Post by pillotte on May 25, 2021 8:17:16 GMT -7
We had a good year and now with our cap increasing by a fair amount KH can fill those holes that will get us into that higher level. Yes it's really disappointing but we made good strides. Next season we'll be better. Let's focus on the good things this year and not this loss.
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Post by drtaf on May 25, 2021 10:15:45 GMT -7
End of April Paul Maurice was benching his star player for "not playing right", getting Scheifele and the rest of the team ready for playoff hockey. Meanwhile, Tippet was loading up a line to get McDavid over the 100 point plateau. Both coaches succeeded. It may have cost Maurice his job if Scheifele had pouted and the Jets missed the playoffs, just as getting the Oilers ready to play playoff hockey might have cost Tippet his job, depending on how his stars reacted. Coaching is not an easy profession. Sheifele is not McD. However Rickster, you have a point! What i saw in last night's game was a determined Sheif and consummate team player. However, McD got mad, yelled at his linemate and tipp acquiesced and JP did not play another minute on McD's line? Tipp then proceeded to give that plum job to Yam, a player, who as hard as he tries, has been awful and has had zero finish for months, whereas JP has been contributing and doing all the things necessary to win these types of games (ie going into the dirty areas where you are going to get hurt). I'm not trying to shoot the sacred cow here as i know McD is so driven to win, he just lost his cool and was just pissed that everything (inc refs and hockey gods) seem to be conspiring against him and the team and JP was an easy target (after a failed pass attempt)! what I'm getting at is that some coaches would not allow even the likes of McD to dictate lines and yell at team mates, they would have the balls to step up and intervene. in fact the best coaches would make sure that would never ever happen in the first place, but Tipp is not that guy and thats why at some point, probably after next season he shouldnt be in charge anymore. Could you imagine Quenneville allowing Toews or Kane to dictate and over rule him? better yet can you imagine toews and kane doing that to another team mate? I can't and it comes from the leadership at the very top, ie Tippet and Holland! McD needs to learn leadership from a coach who understands the fine balances that make up a winning team. Everyone has a role and not everyone can be McD, however every player is equally important. Messier and Gretz new this, but I believe they learned it from Sather. Is there another Q or sather out there we can hire?? No idea TBH! I've heard several times in interviews that the players want to win it/do it for Connor when they should really be saying they want to win it for themselves and the team. FWIW, I truly believe McD will mature into a great leader but he needs a proper coach to show him the way, tipp isnt it. I know tipp has not been given a full depth team to coach but he does have a tendency to choose favs and thats not good parenting and how you promote family unity (and yes thats my analogy because best coaches are like father figures and best teams are like family) end of rant!
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 25, 2021 10:38:43 GMT -7
End of April Paul Maurice was benching his star player for "not playing right", getting Scheifele and the rest of the team ready for playoff hockey. Meanwhile, Tippet was loading up a line to get McDavid over the 100 point plateau. Both coaches succeeded. It may have cost Maurice his job if Scheifele had pouted and the Jets missed the playoffs, just as getting the Oilers ready to play playoff hockey might have cost Tippet his job, depending on how his stars reacted. Coaching is not an easy profession. Sheifele is not McD. However Rickster, you have a point! What i saw in last night's game was a determined Sheif and consummate team player. However, McD got mad, yelled at his linemate and tipp acquiesced and JP did not play another minute on McD's line? Tipp then proceeded to give that plum job to Yam, a player, who as hard as he tries, has been awful and has had zero finish for months, whereas JP has been contributing and doing all the things necessary to win these types of games (ie going into the dirty areas where you are going to get hurt). I'm not trying to shoot the sacred cow here as i know McD is so driven to win, he just lost his cool and was just pissed that everything (inc refs and hockey gods) seem to be conspiring against him and the team and JP was an easy target (after a failed pass attempt)! what I'm getting at is that some coaches would not allow even the likes of McD to dictate lines and yell at team mates, they would have the balls to step up and intervene. in fact the best coaches would make sure that would never ever happen in the first place, but Tipp is not that guy and thats why at some point, probably after next season he shouldnt be in charge anymore. Could you imagine Quenneville allowing Toews or Kane to dictate and over rule him? better yet can you imagine toews and kane doing that to another team mate? I can't and it comes from the leadership at the very top, ie Tippet and Holland! McD needs to learn leadership from a coach who understands the fine balances that make up a winning team.Everyone has a role and not everyone can be McD, however every player is equally important. Messier and Gretz new this, but I believe they learned it from Sather. Is there another Q or sather out there we can hire?? No idea TBH! I've heard several times in interviews that the players want to win it/do it for Connor when they should really be saying they want to win it for themselves and the team. FWIW, I truly believe McD will mature into a great leader but he needs a proper coach to show him the way, tipp isnt it. I know tipp has not been given a full depth team to coach but he does have a tendency to choose favs and thats not good parenting and how you promote family unity (and yes thats my analogy because best coaches are like father figures and best teams are like family) end of rant! Do you watch other sports? I’ve seen NBA players do this, like Lebron. I’ve seen NFL players do this. Soccer players I. Europe. I guess players like Lebron and Ronaldo need to learn leadership too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by rickster on May 25, 2021 10:52:33 GMT -7
End of April Paul Maurice was benching his star player for "not playing right", getting Scheifele and the rest of the team ready for playoff hockey. Meanwhile, Tippet was loading up a line to get McDavid over the 100 point plateau. Both coaches succeeded. It may have cost Maurice his job if Scheifele had pouted and the Jets missed the playoffs, just as getting the Oilers ready to play playoff hockey might have cost Tippet his job, depending on how his stars reacted. Coaching is not an easy profession. Sheifele is not McD. However Rickster, you have a point! What i saw in last night's game was a determined Sheif and consummate team player. However, McD got mad, yelled at his linemate and tipp acquiesced and JP did not play another minute on McD's line? Tipp then proceeded to give that plum job to Yam, a player, who as hard as he tries, has been awful and has had zero finish for months, whereas JP has been contributing and doing all the things necessary to win these types of games (ie going into the dirty areas where you are going to get hurt). I'm not trying to shoot the sacred cow here as i know McD is so driven to win, he just lost his cool and was just pissed that everything (inc refs and hockey gods) seem to be conspiring against him and the team and JP was an easy target (after a failed pass attempt)! what I'm getting at is that some coaches would not allow even the likes of McD to dictate lines and yell at team mates, they would have the balls to step up and intervene. in fact the best coaches would make sure that would never ever happen in the first place, but Tipp is not that guy and thats why at some point, probably after next season he shouldnt be in charge anymore. Could you imagine Quenneville allowing Toews or Kane to dictate and over rule him? better yet can you imagine toews and kane doing that to another team mate? I can't and it comes from the leadership at the very top, ie Tippet and Holland! McD needs to learn leadership from a coach who understands the fine balances that make up a winning team. Everyone has a role and not everyone can be McD, however every player is equally important. Messier and Gretz new this, but I believe they learned it from Sather. Is there another Q or sather out there we can hire?? No idea TBH! I've heard several times in interviews that the players want to win it/do it for Connor when they should really be saying they want to win it for themselves and the team. FWIW, I truly believe McD will mature into a great leader but he needs a proper coach to show him the way, tipp isnt it. I know tipp has not been given a full depth team to coach but he does have a tendency to choose favs and thats not good parenting and how you promote family unity (and yes thats my analogy because best coaches are like father figures and best teams are like family) end of rant! Bieksa made reference to guys he once played with who would demand who played on what lines. I may be wrong, but I assumed that was a shot at the Sedins, who refused to be split onto separate lines, and controlled who their other winger should be. And who never won a Stanley Cup. But who racked up lots of regular season points and had great personal NHL careers. It's interesting when you get a glimpse of how teams actually operate, and we got a pretty good look last night. Should be an exciting off-season.
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Post by onebit on May 25, 2021 11:09:59 GMT -7
Sheifele is not McD. However Rickster, you have a point! What i saw in last night's game was a determined Sheif and consummate team player. However, McD got mad, yelled at his linemate and tipp acquiesced and JP did not play another minute on McD's line? Tipp then proceeded to give that plum job to Yam, a player, who as hard as he tries, has been awful and has had zero finish for months, whereas JP has been contributing and doing all the things necessary to win these types of games (ie going into the dirty areas where you are going to get hurt). I'm not trying to shoot the sacred cow here as i know McD is so driven to win, he just lost his cool and was just pissed that everything (inc refs and hockey gods) seem to be conspiring against him and the team and JP was an easy target (after a failed pass attempt)! what I'm getting at is that some coaches would not allow even the likes of McD to dictate lines and yell at team mates, they would have the balls to step up and intervene. in fact the best coaches would make sure that would never ever happen in the first place, but Tipp is not that guy and thats why at some point, probably after next season he shouldnt be in charge anymore. Could you imagine Quenneville allowing Toews or Kane to dictate and over rule him? better yet can you imagine toews and kane doing that to another team mate? I can't and it comes from the leadership at the very top, ie Tippet and Holland! McD needs to learn leadership from a coach who understands the fine balances that make up a winning team.Everyone has a role and not everyone can be McD, however every player is equally important. Messier and Gretz new this, but I believe they learned it from Sather. Is there another Q or sather out there we can hire?? No idea TBH! I've heard several times in interviews that the players want to win it/do it for Connor when they should really be saying they want to win it for themselves and the team. FWIW, I truly believe McD will mature into a great leader but he needs a proper coach to show him the way, tipp isnt it. I know tipp has not been given a full depth team to coach but he does have a tendency to choose favs and thats not good parenting and how you promote family unity (and yes thats my analogy because best coaches are like father figures and best teams are like family) end of rant! Do you watch other sports? I’ve seen NBA players do this, like Lebron. I’ve seen NFL players do this. Soccer players I. Europe. I guess players like Lebron and Ronaldo need to learn leadership too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MBM, I usually agree with you and you might be right on this point. That said, I'm not sure it's fair to compare football and soccer with hockey just based on the speed in which the games are played. I also think it worth noting, it's less about the verbal exchange and more about JP being taken off the line. I'm with drtaf on that, it gives the impression of an inmate running the asylum. And it's not the first hint of it... Though rumor only, throughout the year we heard alot about McD "wanting" Nuge on his line despite plenty of evidence that they weren't all that effective together. I also heard that McD and Drai "wanted" to play the last game of the season. There's a fine line between trying to keep stars happy and letting them steer the ship. It's starting to appear like that line is getting crossed in Oil Country. One last point of contention for me regarding Tipp. I don't like the way he's thrown players under the bus this year. Two examples come to mind...1. "We needed a save" referring to Kosk and 2. "That's a penalty you can't take" referring to Archie. IMO, that's unacceptable crap from a coach. Calling out individuals in pressers is reprehensible and absolutely brings Tippetts leadership into question.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on May 25, 2021 11:22:47 GMT -7
Do you watch other sports? I’ve seen NBA players do this, like Lebron. I’ve seen NFL players do this. Soccer players I. Europe. I guess players like Lebron and Ronaldo need to learn leadership too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MBM, I usually agree with you and you might be right on this point. That said, I'm not sure it's fair to compare football and soccer with hockey just based on the speed in which the games are played. I also think it worth noting, it's less about the verbal exchange and more about JP being taken off the line. I'm with drtaf on that, it gives the impression of an inmate running the asylum. And it's not the first hint of it... Though rumor only, throughout the year we heard alot about McD "wanting" Nuge on his line despite plenty of evidence that they weren't all that effective together. I also heard that McD and Drai "wanted" to play the last game of the season. There's a fine line between trying to keep stars happy and letting them steer the ship. It's starting to appear like that line is getting crossed in Oil Country. One last point of contention for me regarding Tipp. I don't like the way he's thrown players under the bus this year. Two examples come to mind...1. "We needed a save" referring to Kosk and 2. "That's a penalty you can't take" referring to Archie. IMO, that's unacceptable crap from a coach. Calling out individuals in pressers is reprehensible and absolutely brings Tippetts leadership into question. I’m not comparing the games, I’m comparing leadership. You said McD yelling at JP it’s not proper leadership. My point was if that’s not proper leadership, then players in other sports (like Lebron) aren’t proper leaders either. Which I’m not sure I agree with. I’ve seen Lebron yell at players like JR Smith and then Smith not play with Lebron the rest of the game. Whether it’s right or wrong is not for us to say, cause we don’t know what the conversations between players are behind closed doors after interactions like that. Just these playoffs, Ovechkin yelled at Samsonov in Russian from the bench after an OT loss. A Russian sports writer said Ovi yelled “Don’t sleep, b*tch.” What that right or wrong? Some say it was wrong, some say it wasn’t. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by onebit on May 25, 2021 11:38:00 GMT -7
MBM, I usually agree with you and you might be right on this point. That said, I'm not sure it's fair to compare football and soccer with hockey just based on the speed in which the games are played. I also think it worth noting, it's less about the verbal exchange and more about JP being taken off the line. I'm with drtaf on that, it gives the impression of an inmate running the asylum. And it's not the first hint of it... Though rumor only, throughout the year we heard alot about McD "wanting" Nuge on his line despite plenty of evidence that they weren't all that effective together. I also heard that McD and Drai "wanted" to play the last game of the season. There's a fine line between trying to keep stars happy and letting them steer the ship. It's starting to appear like that line is getting crossed in Oil Country. One last point of contention for me regarding Tipp. I don't like the way he's thrown players under the bus this year. Two examples come to mind...1. "We needed a save" referring to Kosk and 2. "That's a penalty you can't take" referring to Archie. IMO, that's unacceptable crap from a coach. Calling out individuals in pressers is reprehensible and absolutely brings Tippetts leadership into question. I’m not comparing the games, I’m comparing leadership. You said McD yelling at JP it’s not proper leadership. My point was if that’s not proper leadership, then players in other sports (like Lebron) aren’t proper leaders either. Which I’m not sure I agree with. I’ve seen Lebron yell at players like JR Smith and then Smith not play with Lebron the rest of the game. Whether it’s right or wrong is not for us to say, cause we don’t know what the conversations between players are behind closed doors after interactions like that. Just these playoffs, Ovechkin yelled at Samsonov in Russian from the bench after an OT loss. A Russian sports writer said Ovi yelled “Don’t sleep, b*tch.” What that right or wrong? Some say it was wrong, some say it wasn’t. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Re: Ovi. In English, that's bad but who knows what connotation it has in Russian? I lived in a country where calling somebody "fatty" was a term of endearment. At any rate, I have no issue with McD getting heated and yelling (assuming it wasn't personal). I'm sure it happens more than we know. My beef was seeing JP pulled from the line. That has really bad optics. Especially since JP was possibly the best Oiler overall throughout the series.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on May 25, 2021 12:04:22 GMT -7
I watched the fallout on video of McD criticizing JP on the bench. I have no idea what was the issue, it would be interesting to learn what it was. I also saw McD roll his eyes on Winnipeg scoring another goal after Winnipeg tieing it up. McD is frustrated, it's natural and you want that emotion from your top player as long as it's not destructive. McD is rarely frustrated when a goal doesn't go in on offense, but incredibly frustrated when a goal is allowed. It tells me he doesn't believe in his team defensively. Ovechkin had to go through this, so did Crosby. McD is going to vent, he's frustrated. I also see Drai frustrated. The autopsy will begin.
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Post by drtaf on May 25, 2021 12:29:41 GMT -7
Sheifele is not McD. However Rickster, you have a point! What i saw in last night's game was a determined Sheif and consummate team player. However, McD got mad, yelled at his linemate and tipp acquiesced and JP did not play another minute on McD's line? Tipp then proceeded to give that plum job to Yam, a player, who as hard as he tries, has been awful and has had zero finish for months, whereas JP has been contributing and doing all the things necessary to win these types of games (ie going into the dirty areas where you are going to get hurt). I'm not trying to shoot the sacred cow here as i know McD is so driven to win, he just lost his cool and was just pissed that everything (inc refs and hockey gods) seem to be conspiring against him and the team and JP was an easy target (after a failed pass attempt)! what I'm getting at is that some coaches would not allow even the likes of McD to dictate lines and yell at team mates, they would have the balls to step up and intervene. in fact the best coaches would make sure that would never ever happen in the first place, but Tipp is not that guy and thats why at some point, probably after next season he shouldnt be in charge anymore. Could you imagine Quenneville allowing Toews or Kane to dictate and over rule him? better yet can you imagine toews and kane doing that to another team mate? I can't and it comes from the leadership at the very top, ie Tippet and Holland! McD needs to learn leadership from a coach who understands the fine balances that make up a winning team.Everyone has a role and not everyone can be McD, however every player is equally important. Messier and Gretz new this, but I believe they learned it from Sather. Is there another Q or sather out there we can hire?? No idea TBH! I've heard several times in interviews that the players want to win it/do it for Connor when they should really be saying they want to win it for themselves and the team. FWIW, I truly believe McD will mature into a great leader but he needs a proper coach to show him the way, tipp isnt it. I know tipp has not been given a full depth team to coach but he does have a tendency to choose favs and thats not good parenting and how you promote family unity (and yes thats my analogy because best coaches are like father figures and best teams are like family) end of rant! Do you watch other sports? I’ve seen NBA players do this, like Lebron. I’ve seen NFL players do this. Soccer players I. Europe. I guess players like Lebron and Ronaldo need to learn leadership too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not sure what you mean MBM? I watch a lot of other sports and NBA is a bad example as multiple people have pointed out the difference between NHL and NBA is that "You can win championships" with 2 star players LOL. and Ronaldo is probably the worst example of a "leader" you can give for soccer and FWIW, I like Ronaldo more than Messi. I also think there's a point in time when a player earns enough respect that they can mouth off at anyone- Messier being a prime example, lebron another, although his non NBA leadership persona is questionable to say the least! I also said i firmly believe that McD will be that leader one day but he isnt now and it would help if he had a coach who could guide him in that role and IMO tipp is not the guy as he plays favourites and hasnt fostered a team-first concept. That was the point i was trying to get across. I've also said before that it took Crosby 10 years to be a true leader and gain league-wide respect ( a fair bit after he won his first cup). so it wasnt so much a slight on McDavid as it was on tipp not being able to give the right advice and communication to him. It is ok for a player to be absolutely pissed at losing and yell at team mates, in fact i'd encourage McD to do more of it, but it has to be constructive and last night it didn't seem to be constructive but that's just my take and opinion. I or anyone else dont really know what's in the heads of the other guys on the bench when McD went off on his rant. I do know Tipp responded by demoting the one guy who seemed to be taking the brunt of it despite being one of the more effective and hard working players on the team. And yes JP still has a long way to go before I'd call him an established top 6 forward but he seems to be on the right track, but I doubt last night's demotion for "No" reason was constructive in getting him to where he needs to be to really help the oilers in the long run. hopefully, it wont hinder him either!
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Post by rickster on May 25, 2021 12:47:30 GMT -7
I watched the fallout on video of McD criticizing JP on the bench. I have no idea what was the issue, it would be interesting to learn what it was. I also saw McD roll his eyes on Winnipeg scoring another goal after Winnipeg tieing it up. McD is frustrated, it's natural and you want that emotion from your top player as long as it's not destructive. McD is rarely frustrated when a goal doesn't go in on offense, but incredibly frustrated when a goal is allowed. It tells me he doesn't believe in his team defensively. Ovechkin had to go through this, so did Crosby. McD is going to vent, he's frustrated. I also see Drai frustrated. The autopsy will begin. It was an Ethan Bear mistake that led to Winnipeg's tying goal, and the dramatic eye-roll on the bench. And that, oddly enough, was it for Bear. It was an ugly mistake no doubt, but to roll 5 dmen the rest of the way seemed a bit of an over reaction. Just like demoting JP for putting a pass in McDavid's skates. Tippet's frustration seems to mirror McDavid's quite closely.
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Post by drtaf on May 25, 2021 13:11:10 GMT -7
to be fair that wasnt the first of Bear's boneheaded mistakes in this series and I for one thought he could be benched as well. although given that we went to 3 OTs maybe not as long as what transpired? maybe if he had a bit more confidence he wouldn't have been rushing to get off the ice when that last OT was scored?? This bitter experience will definitely make a break some players, but hopefully a better team emerges from it for next season!
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Post by blackhawk216 on May 25, 2021 13:12:31 GMT -7
I watched the fallout on video of McD criticizing JP on the bench. I have no idea what was the issue, it would be interesting to learn what it was. I also saw McD roll his eyes on Winnipeg scoring another goal after Winnipeg tieing it up. McD is frustrated, it's natural and you want that emotion from your top player as long as it's not destructive. McD is rarely frustrated when a goal doesn't go in on offense, but incredibly frustrated when a goal is allowed. It tells me he doesn't believe in his team defensively. Ovechkin had to go through this, so did Crosby. McD is going to vent, he's frustrated. I also see Drai frustrated. The autopsy will begin. It was an Ethan Bear mistake that led to Winnipeg's tying goal, and the dramatic eye-roll on the bench. And that, oddly enough, was it for Bear. It was an ugly mistake no doubt, but to roll 5 dmen the rest of the way seemed a bit of an over reaction. Just like demoting JP for putting a pass in McDavid's skates. Tippet's frustration seems to mirror McDavid's quite closely. Well as this thread appears to have lowered itself to finger pointing, may I join in? Looking at the big picture, the Oilers have in my opinion ever since Pronger left (along with several other SC final players of that year) never been defensively sound. And in recent seasons even with two of the most defensively/structure like coaches in Hitch and Tipp, I still find myself on the edge of my seat as it were many time during a game because we still for me at any rate, don't have enough secure, confident, controlled and skilled players back there. It is a gong show for me some nights, and without Smith becoming the 3rd defender, it would be even worse. I criticised Bear earlier in the season, and was advised that he is young and it takes time. Agreed. But again, to me, Bear, Jones, Kris Russel, and by the looks of things maybe even Kulikov and/or Lagesson could well be shown the door in the near future. I expect Bear to be here still, but he had better start to understand the difference between a safe pass and one that is just waiting to be gobbled up by the opposition, and I am not just referring to last nights game, he is a repeat offender at giving up golden opportunities and it has just as much a deflating affect on the team as some of Koskinen's performances has this season. I have to smile when I see some on here knocking Barrie. Not great defensively, but he did his part last night and we simply cannot afford to let this season's top D scorer leave.....end of. Nurse and Larsson also speak for themselves, we need those two guys, and maybe also Koekoek. Next season no doubt Bouchard (should) and possibly Broberg (may) be in the NHL full time. But we need a couple more brutes at the back, a couple of guys that refuse to give ground, (or ice), and that can get the puck over our blue line without looking as though it is a struggle. Good teams are built from the back forwards. The less goals conceded, the less we need to score at the other end of the ice. That is a true statement, right? . And I don't blame Connor for rolling his eyes when Bear coughed up the puck yet again. And Bear got what he deserved, his backside stapled to the bench for the rest of the night. That is also a true statement.
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Post by drtaf on May 25, 2021 15:17:24 GMT -7
100% agree with everything you said hawk, although fingerpointing and autopsies are pretty much inevitable after last night's final outcome.. ironically tipp pulled bear out of the doghouse just long enough to be involved in the final nail in the coffin that was this season, although IMO McD was mostly at fault for not getting it in deep on a long change after a pk. as they say, the little things are what matter most and I'm happy to turn the page and discuss how we go further next season
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Post by fogolin2 on Nov 4, 2021 9:47:21 GMT -7
Since everyone gets the knives out for the coach when we lose a couple I'm bumping this to say that Tipp and his team are doing a helluva job. The new guys are fitting in great, and special teams are winning us games.
Giddeyyuupp!
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Post by blackhawk216 on Nov 4, 2021 10:56:02 GMT -7
Since everyone gets the knives out for the coach when we lose a couple I'm bumping this to say that Tipp and his team are doing a helluva job. The new guys are fitting in great, and special teams are winning us games. Giddeyyuupp! Cautionary note to the above: Of the current top 15 NHL teams, of the other 14, we have only played two of them, ie Calgary was a close win, and we lost to Philly. I am not sure what this means, other than as stated..........this is a cautionary note to fogs post. .
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Post by drtaf on Nov 4, 2021 15:00:30 GMT -7
Since everyone gets the knives out for the coach when we lose a couple I'm bumping this to say that Tipp and his team are doing a helluva job. The new guys are fitting in great, and special teams are winning us games. Giddeyyuupp! Cautionary note to the above: Of the current top 15 NHL teams, of the other 14, we have only played two of them, ie Calgary was a close win, and we lost to Philly. I am not sure what this means, other than as stated..........this is a cautionary note to fogs post. . as they say, "show me good goaltending and i'll show you a great coach!!" having mcDrai doesn't hurt either :-). I will say Tipp hasnt irked me yet but we will see once smith is back and the going gets tougher. AFAIC, he had a guaranteed job this year anyway, whether he has one next season wil depend on how this one ends. FWIW, I hope he gets the jack adams and a SC ring!
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Post by blackhawk216 on Nov 4, 2021 15:39:51 GMT -7
Cautionary note to the above: Of the current top 15 NHL teams, of the other 14, we have only played two of them, ie Calgary was a close win, and we lost to Philly. I am not sure what this means, other than as stated..........this is a cautionary note to fogs post. . as they say, "show me good goaltending and i'll show you a great coach!!" having mcDrai doesn't hurt either :-). I will say Tipp hasnt irked me yet but we will see once smith is back and the going gets tougher. AFAIC, he had a guaranteed job this year anyway, whether he has one next season wil depend on how this one ends. FWIW, I hope he gets the jack adams and a SC ring! Goaltending has been good, team defence for me below average, bottom six much improved, so far we have scored plenty of goals with or without the PP to win most games...........but surely, Playfair and Tipp must have real concerns at how many goals we are conceding, and as I stated, we have hardly played any of the top half teams yet. We really need to wait for more like the 19th or even 29th game to assess our situation, even as good as it looks after just our 9th is my point.
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