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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 11:20:19 GMT -7
I'll probably get roasted for this but I'm too damn frustrated to be quiet. If I'm breaking forum rules, I apologize and the admins can take this down.
IMHO, Tippett is quickly playing his way off the roster with suspect decisions and poor personnel management. Where oh where do I start?
1. Goaltending. I like Smith but I also think Mikko is being mishandled. Last year, the plan was 2 on, 2 off for the goalies. Didn't happen. Smith, whether good or bad, always got his 2 starts. If he was good, he got extras. Mikko could stand on his head and still only get his 2. This year, Kosk gives us 40 saves against Ottawa, 43 against Calgary and BOTH TIMES, loses the net for a week.
Smith gives up 3 in Vancouver, gets to battle through. Kosk gets pulled vs T.O. If confidence is important in sports, how low must Mikko's be right now?
2. Dynamite line. Tipp turns on the blender on Saturday and Monday yet still refuses to put the best line in hockey (last year) back together for more than a shift? McD needs a shooter, Drai needs a set up guy. Which of these is Nuge?
3. Bouch/Bear pairing. Two guys with barely 100 games played combined AND Bouch on his off side.
4. Bear over KRussell. I love Bear but if you must put Bouch on the left side, why not with a more experienced partner?
5. PP. Chaisson has great net front presence but guess what? So does JP AND he's bigger and has better hands. Why isn't he getting a longer look on the PP?
6. Team lets in 2 quick ones. How about a time-out to settle them down before the game is almost out of reach?
7. I know many will disagree with me here but... 6 - 1 v Flames. Team is on fire, feeling it and crushing their hated rivals, Nuge sitting on two goals. Third period? Nuge, Drai and McD play around 3 minutes each.
This one sticks in my craw because for 2 years I've been waiting for this team to dominate and exhibit some killer instinct. How many times have we see big leads evaporate because of no killer instinct. We finally see it, and coach pulls the plug.
Sorry for the long rant. I just hated to see how tentative the team was vs the Leafs. Confidence is such a big part of sports and right now, I'm not sold that Tipp is helping in that regard.
Just my ONE-BIT
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 2, 2021 11:40:35 GMT -7
I'll probably get roasted for this but I'm too damn frustrated to be quiet. If I'm breaking forum rules, I apologize and the admins can take this down. IMHO, Tippett is quickly playing his way off the roster with suspect decisions and poor personnel management. Where oh where do I start? 1. Goaltending. I like Smith but I also think Mikko is being mishandled. Last year, the plan was 2 on, 2 off for the goalies. Didn't happen. Smith, whether good or bad, always got his 2 starts. If he was good, he got extras. Mikko could stand on his head and still only get his 2. This year, Kosk gives us 40 saves against Ottawa, 43 against Calgary and BOTH TIMES, loses the net for a week. Smith gives up 3 in Vancouver, gets to battle through. Kosk gets pulled vs T.O. If confidence is important in sports, how low must Mikko's be right now? 2. Dynamite line. Tipp turns on the blender on Saturday and Monday yet still refuses to put the best line in hockey (last year) back together for more than a shift? McD needs a shooter, Drai needs a set up guy. Which of these is Nuge? 3. Bouch/Bear pairing. Two guys with barely 100 games played combined AND Bouch on his off side. 4. Bear over KRussell. I love Bear but if you must put Bouch on the left side, why not with a more experienced partner? 5. PP. Chaisson has great net front presence but guess what? So does JP AND he's bigger and has better hands. Why isn't he getting a longer look on the PP? 6. Team lets in 2 quick ones. How about a time-out to settle them down before the game is almost out of reach? 7. I know many will disagree with me here but... 6 - 1 v Flames. Team is on fire, feeling it and crushing their hated rivals, Nuge sitting on two goals. Third period? Nuge, Drai and McD play around 3 minutes each. This one sticks in my craw because for 2 years I've been waiting for this team to dominate and exhibit some killer instinct. How many times have we see big leads evaporate because of no killer instinct. We finally see it, and coach pulls the plug. Sorry for the long rant. I just hated to see how tentative the team was vs the Leafs. Confidence is such a big part of sports and right now, I'm not sold that Tipp is helping in that regard. Just my ONE-BIT 0 - Why would anybody roast you or take this down? Everybody's opinion is valued here! 1 - I think that Koskinen by his own play has made the coaching staff leary of playing him. He has been bad for the entire season, there have been zero good games for him. 2 - I COMPLETELY AGREE! Even in the post gamer he was asked again. He outright refuses to put that line back together. He's being a complete fool there. 3 - You could have something here, by far not the most glaring of our issues though. Last night showed their youth, but it hasn't been bad aside from that IMO 4 - I'm concerned with playing Russell. He panics and lays down on the ice the second an opposing player has the puck anywhere near him 5 - Yea I don't get it either. It's painfully obvious JP is playing with the heart of a lion and creates havoc. Get him on the PP now. 6 - True but come on man your goaltender has to be more into it than that. Both goals were easily stoppable, and he even got criticized on national TV for it 7 - I agree. Your rival, that has decimated you for decades. You finally have your foot on his throat so you sit your stars? Ridiculous.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Mar 2, 2021 11:48:41 GMT -7
1. Yep agree 100%. Must be tough on koskinen mentally knowing you are not the guy or treated equally.
2. Last nights presser tipp was asked about this line. Said they consider all combos all the time. No reason why not.
The above two speak to stubbornness. These are my biggest issues with the coach. Needs better situational awareness.
3 & 4. I am ok with these. I’d probably try your suggestions, but not the biggest issue imho.
5. Agree, but JP needs to be producing fairly quickly. Not the time for lengthy development shifts if he can’t.
6. I used to think this, too and maybe there is a time for it, but with TV time outs it may be not needed if you can just hang on for one more shift. If we’re that fragile, a TO may not help much anyways. Leadership and communication and positivity on the bench from players is more of a factor in turning games around.
7. Yep disagree . Killer instinct happened. That team was dead/dominated. I liked the decision because to me it said, “I don’t care about your individual scoring races or your hat trick. We’re resting you and preventing injury possibilities AND giving some of our other team some precious playing time because that’s what’s best for the team.”
I still am a Tippet believer, but he can be frustrating. I think we are improving under him. Not sure another would do much better.
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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 12:15:24 GMT -7
1. Yep agree 100%. Must be tough on koskinen mentally knowing you are not the guy or treated equally. 2. Last nights presser tipp was asked about this line. Said they consider all combos all the time. No reason why not. The above two speak to stubbornness. These are my biggest issues with the coach. Needs better situational awareness. 3 & 4. I am ok with these. I’d probably try your suggestions, but not the biggest issue imho. 5. Agree, but JP needs to be producing fairly quickly. Not the time for lengthy development shifts if he can’t. 6. I used to think this, too and maybe there is a time for it, but with TV time outs it may be not needed if you can just hang on for one more shift. If we’re that fragile, a TO may not help much anyways. Leadership and communication and positivity on the bench from players is more of a factor in turning games around. 7. Yep disagree . Killer instinct happened. That team was dead/dominated. I liked the decision because to me it said, “I don’t care about your individual scoring races or your hat trick. We’re resting you and preventing injury possibilities AND giving some of our other team some precious playing time because that’s what’s best for the team.” I still am a Tippet believer, but he can be frustrating. I think we are improving under him. Not sure another would do much better. 100% agree with your #6. Leafs add Thornton and Spezza, proof is in the pudding. We could use that kind of veteran leadership on our side. I want to agree with your number 7. I get that it's about wins but I hate giving teams hope. If the Flames win that third period, they gain confidence going forward. Tipp could have cut minutes by 25% or even half or even the last five minutes (like in football) but stapling guys to the bench for a whole period when they're running good is, imo, a good way to lose the room. Kinda like Kosk. "I make 43 saves, I lose the net".
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Post by blackhawk216 on Mar 2, 2021 12:39:19 GMT -7
1. Yep agree 100%. Must be tough on koskinen mentally knowing you are not the guy or treated equally. 2. Last nights presser tipp was asked about this line. Said they consider all combos all the time. No reason why not. The above two speak to stubbornness. These are my biggest issues with the coach. Needs better situational awareness. 3 & 4. I am ok with these. I’d probably try your suggestions, but not the biggest issue imho. 5. Agree, but JP needs to be producing fairly quickly. Not the time for lengthy development shifts if he can’t. 6. I used to think this, too and maybe there is a time for it, but with TV time outs it may be not needed if you can just hang on for one more shift. If we’re that fragile, a TO may not help much anyways. Leadership and communication and positivity on the bench from players is more of a factor in turning games around. 7. Yep disagree . Killer instinct happened. That team was dead/dominated. I liked the decision because to me it said, “I don’t care about your individual scoring races or your hat trick. We’re resting you and preventing injury possibilities AND giving some of our other team some precious playing time because that’s what’s best for the team.” I still am a Tippet believer, but he can be frustrating. I think we are improving under him. Not sure another would do much better. Re 1....."not the guy or treated equally"? Smith...... .938, 1.87 ga, won 6 lost 1. Kosk....... .897, 3.39 ga, won 7 lost 9. Enough said I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 12:58:23 GMT -7
Are we seeing the top two lines sending a message they are no longer going to Bail or attempt to bail out Koskinen?
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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 13:03:15 GMT -7
1. Yep agree 100%. Must be tough on koskinen mentally knowing you are not the guy or treated equally. 2. Last nights presser tipp was asked about this line. Said they consider all combos all the time. No reason why not. The above two speak to stubbornness. These are my biggest issues with the coach. Needs better situational awareness. 3 & 4. I am ok with these. I’d probably try your suggestions, but not the biggest issue imho. 5. Agree, but JP needs to be producing fairly quickly. Not the time for lengthy development shifts if he can’t. 6. I used to think this, too and maybe there is a time for it, but with TV time outs it may be not needed if you can just hang on for one more shift. If we’re that fragile, a TO may not help much anyways. Leadership and communication and positivity on the bench from players is more of a factor in turning games around. 7. Yep disagree . Killer instinct happened. That team was dead/dominated. I liked the decision because to me it said, “I don’t care about your individual scoring races or your hat trick. We’re resting you and preventing injury possibilities AND giving some of our other team some precious playing time because that’s what’s best for the team.” I still am a Tippet believer, but he can be frustrating. I think we are improving under him. Not sure another would do much better. Re 1....."not the guy or treated equally"? Smith...... .938, 1.87 ga, won 6 lost 1. Kosk....... .897, 3.39 ga, won 7 lost 9. Enough said I think. Gives a 40 save start vs Ottawa, loses the net for 7 days. Gives a 43 Save start vs Calgary, loses loses the net for 10 days. Smith gives up 3 vs Canucks, battles through. Kosk gives up 3 vs Leafs, gets pulled. And one of his losses was when he took over for Smith with team trailing 4:1. Same thing happened last year. Tipp often breaks the rotation for Smith but never for Koskinen. Not saying Kosk = Price but I don't think he's being put in a position to succeed either.
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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 13:08:21 GMT -7
Are we seeing the top two lines sending a message they are no longer going to Bail or attempt to bail out Koskinen? And lose games in the process? We better hope not.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 2, 2021 13:09:52 GMT -7
Are we seeing the top two lines sending a message they are no longer going to Bail or attempt to bail out Koskinen? That would be horrible on their part. McDavid should be stripped of the C if he was doing that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 2, 2021 13:12:40 GMT -7
Lines in practice today:
Neal-McDavid-Puljujärvi RNH-Draisaitl-Yamo Ennis-Khaira-Archie Russell-Haas-Chiasson
Nurse-Bear Russell-Barrie Jones-Larsson Lagesson-Bouchard
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Post by blackhawk216 on Mar 2, 2021 13:13:35 GMT -7
Re 1....."not the guy or treated equally"? Smith...... .938, 1.87 ga, won 6 lost 1. Kosk....... .897, 3.39 ga, won 7 lost 9. Enough said I think. Gives a 40 save start vs Ottawa, loses the net for 7 days. Gives a 43 Save start vs Calgary, loses loses the net for 10 days. Smith gives up 3 vs Canucks, battles through. Kosk gives up 3 vs Leafs, gets pulled. And one of his losses was when he took over for Smith with team trailing 4:1. Same thing happened last year. Tipp often breaks the rotation for Smith but never for Koskinen. Not saying Kosk = Price but I don't think he's being put in a position to succeed either. But the thing with Kosk is that if he is overplayed he doesn't perform well.........so now it seems to be that if he is underplayed, he doesn't perform well. Where does that leave us? If I am a coach, I am not going to send out a goalie who concedes over 3 goals per game, and sit one that concedes less than 2. Come one, lets face facts here and stop pretending that poor old Mikko is badly mistreated. I am sure any goalie in the NHL who wants the number one job and hence to play the majority of games has to have superior numbers, doesn't he? If not, then by what criteria does a coach fall back on when selecting the team?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 13:29:57 GMT -7
Are we seeing the top two lines sending a message they are no longer going to Bail or attempt to bail out Koskinen? And lose games in the process? We better hope not. Something happened and I cannot ever remember the top two lines disappear the way they did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 13:32:11 GMT -7
Are we seeing the top two lines sending a message they are no longer going to Bail or attempt to bail out Koskinen? That would be horrible on their part. McDavid should be stripped of the C if he was doing that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I just threw that out there but I have not seen the top two lines ever disappear the way they did last night.
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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 13:34:45 GMT -7
And lose games in the process? We better hope not. Something happened and I cannot ever remember the top two lines disappear the way they did. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat the the opponents defense. One thing I noticed is that everytime the Oilers got near the blue line there were four leafs standing there to greet them. Compare with the uber-soft entries we allowed the leafs and I'm not at all shocked by the results.
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Post by discostew on Mar 2, 2021 14:12:57 GMT -7
1. Yep agree 100%. Must be tough on koskinen mentally knowing you are not the guy or treated equally. 2. Last nights presser tipp was asked about this line. Said they consider all combos all the time. No reason why not. The above two speak to stubbornness. These are my biggest issues with the coach. Needs better situational awareness. 3 & 4. I am ok with these. I’d probably try your suggestions, but not the biggest issue imho. 5. Agree, but JP needs to be producing fairly quickly. Not the time for lengthy development shifts if he can’t. 6. I used to think this, too and maybe there is a time for it, but with TV time outs it may be not needed if you can just hang on for one more shift. If we’re that fragile, a TO may not help much anyways. Leadership and communication and positivity on the bench from players is more of a factor in turning games around. 7. Yep disagree . Killer instinct happened. That team was dead/dominated. I liked the decision because to me it said, “I don’t care about your individual scoring races or your hat trick. We’re resting you and preventing injury possibilities AND giving some of our other team some precious playing time because that’s what’s best for the team.” I still am a Tippet believer, but he can be frustrating. I think we are improving under him. Not sure another would do much better. Re 1....."not the guy or treated equally"? Smith...... .938, 1.87 ga, won 6 lost 1. Kosk....... .897, 3.39 ga, won 7 lost 9. Enough said I think. Yikes that's ugly
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Post by AlwaysOil on Mar 2, 2021 14:34:58 GMT -7
Re 1....."not the guy or treated equally"? Smith...... .938, 1.87 ga, won 6 lost 1. Kosk....... .897, 3.39 ga, won 7 lost 9. Enough said I think. Yikes that's ugly I wonder what those numbers would have been if Smith played the first ten games of the year? Not saying Koskinen didn’t play like crap in a few of them, but the team in front of Smith played better. Large part of goaltending is mental. If you go into a game thinking I’d better not let 2 goals in or I’m out for 5 games, you play differently than if you know you can screw up and you’ll be right back in again. That likely affects the numbers, too. Remember one of Koskinen’s L’s was inherited from Smith. I do agree Smith has been better, but not as black and white as the numbers show. Both have played great at times and both have stunk up e joint.
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 2, 2021 15:10:52 GMT -7
Looks like we may see the dynamite line.
When Koss using his game even as a fan can see it. When Koss plays deep inhis net he doesn't usually play good. When he is challenging the play then he plays better
I would have pulled him too. Smith has experience and has been playing better than Koss so you go with the guy that gives you the best chance.
So the Oilers are playing pretty well with 7 shots then the leafs come down and get two goals on two shots. Yep that will let down the team in a hurry. You need to stop one of those
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 2, 2021 16:15:52 GMT -7
Gives a 40 save start vs Ottawa, loses the net for 7 days. Gives a 43 Save start vs Calgary, loses loses the net for 10 days. Smith gives up 3 vs Canucks, battles through. Kosk gives up 3 vs Leafs, gets pulled. And one of his losses was when he took over for Smith with team trailing 4:1. Same thing happened last year. Tipp often breaks the rotation for Smith but never for Koskinen. Not saying Kosk = Price but I don't think he's being put in a position to succeed either. But the thing with Kosk is that if he is overplayed he doesn't perform well.........so now it seems to be that if he is underplayed, he doesn't perform well. Where does that leave us? If I am a coach, I am not going to send out a goalie who concedes over 3 goals per game, and sit one that concedes less than 2. Come one, lets face facts here and stop pretending that poor old Mikko is badly mistreated. I am sure any goalie in the NHL who wants the number one job and hence to play the majority of games has to have superior numbers, doesn't he? If not, then by what criteria does a coach fall back on when selecting the team? I think the point onebit is trying to make is that even after Koski plays well, he doesn’t get rewarded. Which would kill any confidence gained after playing well. Confidence is a huge factor, especially on goalies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by drtaf on Mar 2, 2021 16:47:54 GMT -7
I think that neither goalie handles playing constantly. The 2 game on 2 game off worked to get us through last season, but Tipp has felt the need to try and push smith to play until he plays himself off the ice and guess what, that's usually the 3rd game in a set. Kosk never gets that chance and I'd guess if Smith played the first dozen games without a break, he would have melted as well, but we'll never know. The argument is moot, irrelevant, or at least matter of opinion, who is the better goalie, the question is: Is Tipp making the smartest coaching decisions when it comes to managing the goalies he has and IMO he hasn't. As for the rest of 1-bit's post/rant, it's all valid questions that most of us have had at 1 point. I don't actually think Tipp will be fired in foreseeable future, but if KH can put some of the pieces together in the off-season (G, D, 1st line wing) when he has more wiggle room, how much longer do you give Tipp to prove he can provide SC-calibre coaching? the clock is beginning to tick faster on the careers of McD and Drai.
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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 16:59:40 GMT -7
But the thing with Kosk is that if he is overplayed he doesn't perform well.........so now it seems to be that if he is underplayed, he doesn't perform well. Where does that leave us? If I am a coach, I am not going to send out a goalie who concedes over 3 goals per game, and sit one that concedes less than 2. Come one, lets face facts here and stop pretending that poor old Mikko is badly mistreated. I am sure any goalie in the NHL who wants the number one job and hence to play the majority of games has to have superior numbers, doesn't he? If not, then by what criteria does a coach fall back on when selecting the team? I think the point onebit is trying to make is that even after Koski plays well, he doesn’t get rewarded. Which would kill any confidence gained after playing well. Confidence is a huge factor, especially on goalies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Exactly. When confidence is lost, aggression is the first thing to go with it. Instead of challenging the shooter, he sits back in the net. Goes down early. Doesn't attack the puck. If a goalie has 2 bad games in a row, taking the net away makes sense but after 40 save performances?
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