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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 19:08:37 GMT -7
There are no excuses for How Koskinen is playing... he has to be ready and should be ready. Stauffer said it best...An AHL goalie would make that save. This has been ongoing since koskinen arrived. I doubt Stauffer makes these remarks unless behind the scenes Oiler Brass are sick of this! Tippett avoided throwing a player under the bus but he knows this game turned when Koskinen could not at least make two of those saves, Hell Stauffer seen it.
Koskinen will be the goalie exposed for the Kraken or waived. Stalock will steal this guys job because he has been a proven NHL netminder with a proven record.
This team cannot continue with the antics of which Koskinen will show up. My advice to Koskinen...save your money because no one else in this league will sign you to a 4.5 million dollar deal per season.
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Post by windsoroiler on Mar 2, 2021 19:40:38 GMT -7
Pretty hard on Koss...
When he plays alot he does tire, now he's had a break, had two good games and a bad one.
Tip said he wanted to get Smith up to speed so he's played more. Either way with Stalock coming the pressure to perform will be there, for all 3 guys.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 2, 2021 20:10:46 GMT -7
There are no excuses for How Koskinen is playing... he has to be ready and should be ready. Stauffer said it best...An AHL goalie would make that save. This has been ongoing since koskinen arrived. I doubt Stauffer makes these remarks unless behind the scenes Oiler Brass are sick of this! Tippett avoided throwing a player under the bus but he knows this game turned when Koskinen could not at least make two of those saves, Hell Stauffer seen it. Koskinen will be the goalie exposed for the Kraken or waived. Stalock will steal this guys job because he has been a proven NHL netminder with a proven record.This team cannot continue with the antics of which Koskinen will show up. My advice to Koskinen...save your money because no one else in this league will sign you to a 4.5 million dollar deal per season. So are you telling me you don't like Koskinen??? I dont know how proven Stalock is TBH, but unless he is really good with his stick he would not have helped us win the last 2 games (after all, you do have to score at least 1 goal to win;) As others pointed out, Price, holtby even Hellebuyck have had stinkers this season where they've let in peewee league goals NVM, AHL goals. I'm pretty sure when Stalock gets his chance he'll let some bloopers in as well, but I can assure you i wont eviscerate him for it. Instead, I might have another go at Tippett for not adjusting the game plan, using wrong line combos, or maybe even declaring his undying love for smith over Stalock!!
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 2, 2021 21:19:28 GMT -7
There are no excuses for How Koskinen is playing... he has to be ready and should be ready. Stauffer said it best...An AHL goalie would make that save. This has been ongoing since koskinen arrived. I doubt Stauffer makes these remarks unless behind the scenes Oiler Brass are sick of this! Tippett avoided throwing a player under the bus but he knows this game turned when Koskinen could not at least make two of those saves, Hell Stauffer seen it. Koskinen will be the goalie exposed for the Kraken or waived. Stalock will steal this guys job because he has been a proven NHL netminder with a proven record.This team cannot continue with the antics of which Koskinen will show up. My advice to Koskinen...save your money because no one else in this league will sign you to a 4.5 million dollar deal per season. So are you telling me you don't like Koskinen??? I dont know how proven Stalock is TBH, but unless he is really good with his stick he would not have helped us win the last 2 games (after all, you do have to score at least 1 goal to win;) As others pointed out, Price, holtby even Hellebuyck have had stinkers this season where they've let in peewee league goals NVM, AHL goals. I'm pretty sure when Stalock gets his chance he'll let some bloopers in as well, but I can assure you i wont eviscerate him for it. Instead, I might have another go at Tippett for not adjusting the game plan, using wrong line combos, or maybe even declaring his undying love for smith over Stalock!! Stalock has a decent career as a backup. 2.61gaa and .909 sv% over 9 seasons with SJS and MIN. His best season was 2013/14 where he posted a 1.87gaa and .932 over 24 games. His worst season was 2015/16 where he got 2.94gaa and .844 over 13 games. Other than that season, he’s been relatively solid. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 2, 2021 22:04:47 GMT -7
Tipp is 11-4 in his last 15 games.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 2, 2021 22:21:18 GMT -7
Tipp is 11-4 in his last 15 games. I called it. After a loss or two, this forum would lose their sh!t lol. One win, and we’re back to top 5 in the league. Everyone. Breathe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 2, 2021 22:24:38 GMT -7
Tipp is 11-4 in his last 15 games. I called it. After a loss or two, this forum would lose their sh!t lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Given the fragile history of this team and it's uncanny ability to fold like a cheap tent after a couple of losses it's understandable how some still harbor those feelings. And, historically speaking the fanbase has turned on it's coaches worse than any other team. It's very frustrating to me. Yes there have been some bad coaches, but we've lost some good ones too because the fans turned on them.
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 2, 2021 22:32:03 GMT -7
I called it. After a loss or two, this forum would lose their sh!t lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Given the fragile history of this team and it's uncanny ability to fold like a cheap tent after a couple of losses it's understandable how some still harbor those feelings. And, historically speaking the fanbase has turned on it's coaches worse than any other team. It's very frustrating to me. Yes there have been some bad coaches, but we've lost some good ones too because the fans turned on them. And goalies And skaters It's a pattern.
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Post by onebit on Mar 2, 2021 22:51:08 GMT -7
Tipp is 11-4 in his last 15 games. I called it. After a loss or two, this forum would lose their sh!t lol. One win, and we’re back to top 5 in the league. Everyone. Breathe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I dont mean to give the impression that I've turned on Tippett and definitely not saying I want him gone. Just raising some questions for discussion with my fellow tier-2 fans. But I really do hate losing to the Leafs too. 😉
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Post by yuke on Mar 2, 2021 23:53:59 GMT -7
Tipp is 11-4 in his last 15 games. I lived in BC during the Canucks run to the cup. At that time I figured the Nuk fans were the worst. No so sure of that now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 0:35:18 GMT -7
Pretty hard on Koss... When he plays alot he does tire, now he's had a break, had two good games and a bad one. Tip said he wanted to get Smith up to speed so he's played more. Either way with Stalock coming the pressure to perform will be there, for all 3 guys. I am hard on Koskinen and I just am tired of the easy goals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 1:07:58 GMT -7
There are no excuses for How Koskinen is playing... he has to be ready and should be ready. Stauffer said it best...An AHL goalie would make that save. This has been ongoing since koskinen arrived. I doubt Stauffer makes these remarks unless behind the scenes Oiler Brass are sick of this! Tippett avoided throwing a player under the bus but he knows this game turned when Koskinen could not at least make two of those saves, Hell Stauffer seen it. Koskinen will be the goalie exposed for the Kraken or waived. Stalock will steal this guys job because he has been a proven NHL netminder with a proven record.This team cannot continue with the antics of which Koskinen will show up. My advice to Koskinen...save your money because no one else in this league will sign you to a 4.5 million dollar deal per season. So are you telling me you don't like Koskinen??? I dont know how proven Stalock is TBH, but unless he is really good with his stick he would not have helped us win the last 2 games (after all, you do have to score at least 1 goal to win;) As others pointed out, Price, holtby even Hellebuyck have had stinkers this season where they've let in peewee league goals NVM, AHL goals. I'm pretty sure when Stalock gets his chance he'll let some bloopers in as well, but I can assure you i wont eviscerate him for it. Instead, I might have another go at Tippett for not adjusting the game plan, using wrong line combos, or maybe even declaring his undying love for smith over Stalock!! I do not like Koskinen's game. He came here with a weak glove and it might be worse now then when he arrived. I do not like how he cannot follow the puck, How he has trouble with angles, how he cannot manage where he should be in the crease. I see poor mental focus. This is what I do not like. Sure every so often the best goalie's flub what should be an easy stop and I would expect no different from our goalie's. Koskinen has almost made it a habit of letting easy saves by him and not just this season. I see a degrade and not an improvement and this is the basics of goaltending. I have even questioned is it the goalie coach here? I know our D is young and even our veterans at times have left our goalies out to dry... when this happens I do not expect spectacular save after spectacular save when put in that environment , that would be hard on the best goalies. More often then not it is shots coming where he should have the puck hit him if he moved two feet forward. He has a bad habit of being deep in the net taking away his size advantage. He struggles from his knees all the time to move across the net. If Koskinen lets in a bad goal you know and pray the team can keep the shots away as he often lets the next one by minutes after. We cannot go into the playoffs with a goalie who struggles like this. I have wished and wished for Koskinen to improve and provide consistent play. I do not think I am being critical but I think the point came weeks ago where we have to start looking elsewhere. Stalock, I have liked what I seen of him. He is quick and really focused. He challenges and battles extremely well. I could not believe when they waived him...He has low miles for his age and his record has been decent. Call it lighting strike 2.0 but Minny gave Us Roloson and the wear on an older goalie was quite similar. I think Stalock can provide stable tending with 151 NHL games played over 4 games when koskinen arrived here. I don't think Tippett favors Smith, I think he understands Koskinen has been struggling and has tried to allow him to plant himself and get focused without pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 1:15:03 GMT -7
So are you telling me you don't like Koskinen??? I dont know how proven Stalock is TBH, but unless he is really good with his stick he would not have helped us win the last 2 games (after all, you do have to score at least 1 goal to win;) As others pointed out, Price, holtby even Hellebuyck have had stinkers this season where they've let in peewee league goals NVM, AHL goals. I'm pretty sure when Stalock gets his chance he'll let some bloopers in as well, but I can assure you i wont eviscerate him for it. Instead, I might have another go at Tippett for not adjusting the game plan, using wrong line combos, or maybe even declaring his undying love for smith over Stalock!! Stalock has a decent career as a backup. 2.61gaa and .909 sv% over 9 seasons with SJS and MIN. His best season was 2013/14 where he posted a 1.87gaa and .932 over 24 games. His worst season was 2015/16 where he got 2.94gaa and .844 over 13 games. Other than that season, he’s been relatively solid. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He is a decent goalie and I have always been impressed by his glove and his speed. I think fans will be saying wow we got him on waivers? This was a real good pick up by Holland even if Smith and Koskinen are playing terrific.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 1:27:10 GMT -7
I called it. After a loss or two, this forum would lose their sh!t lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Given the fragile history of this team and it's uncanny ability to fold like a cheap tent after a couple of losses it's understandable how some still harbor those feelings. And, historically speaking the fanbase has turned on it's coaches worse than any other team. It's very frustrating to me. Yes there have been some bad coaches, but we've lost some good ones too because the fans turned on them. ugh, what is wrong with Tippett? We could not have a better coach. Holland also has done an incredible job with his hands tied behind his back. JP was given the welcome mat and all the tools to succeed and boy has he. Khaira was given time to get out of his funk and has been a beast. Our young Defense has been groomed and I'd say developmentally are exceeding expectations Larsson is totally back in form. Nurse is playing his best hockey. I'd say Turris and Kassian have struggled but we are only 1/2 way in and I'm sure there games can get back on track... Neal has played well for not producing but I'm sure it will come. And we all Know I think koskinen has struggled.... I'd say overall we should be pretty Happy for such a young team and lots of parts that were put together.. it can only get better with experience. I can't wait to see what Tippett and Holland do with some salary cap in the future.
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Post by onebit on Mar 3, 2021 10:37:25 GMT -7
Given the fragile history of this team and it's uncanny ability to fold like a cheap tent after a couple of losses it's understandable how some still harbor those feelings. And, historically speaking the fanbase has turned on it's coaches worse than any other team. It's very frustrating to me. Yes there have been some bad coaches, but we've lost some good ones too because the fans turned on them. ugh, what is wrong with Tippett? We could not have a better coach. Holland also has done an incredible job with his hands tied behind his back. JP was given the welcome mat and all the tools to succeed and boy has he. Khaira was given time to get out of his funk and has been a beast. Our young Defense has been groomed and I'd say developmentally are exceeding expectations Larsson is totally back in form. Nurse is playing his best hockey. I'd say Turris and Kassian have struggled but we are only 1/2 way in and I'm sure there games can get back on track... Neal has played well for not producing but I'm sure it will come. And we all Know I think koskinen has struggled.... I'd say overall we should be pretty Happy for such a young team and lots of parts that were put together.. it can only get better with experience. I can't wait to see what Tippett and Holland do with some salary cap in the future. As I said earlier, I'm not anti-Tippett. He's done a lot of good things with thus roster but does that mean he's perfect and beyond being questioned? I'm also not anti-Koskinen (apparently unlike some others). We've seen flashes of how good he can be. I just ask, why after a good/great performance, does he lose the net for long stretches? How can that be good for his confidence? Could/would he be better (more consistent) if he were allowed to get on a roll? Not for ten straight, but at least keep his place in rotation after a good performance? I'm not anti-Bear or Bouch... just seemed odd to have an all rookie pairing (with one on his off side) against the most offensive team in the league. Why the apparent stubbornness re: the dynamite line? To sum up, I'm not calling for Tippett's head, just bringing into question a few observations that I've made recently.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 3, 2021 12:21:21 GMT -7
ugh, what is wrong with Tippett? We could not have a better coach. Holland also has done an incredible job with his hands tied behind his back. JP was given the welcome mat and all the tools to succeed and boy has he. Khaira was given time to get out of his funk and has been a beast. Our young Defense has been groomed and I'd say developmentally are exceeding expectations Larsson is totally back in form. Nurse is playing his best hockey. I'd say Turris and Kassian have struggled but we are only 1/2 way in and I'm sure there games can get back on track... Neal has played well for not producing but I'm sure it will come. And we all Know I think koskinen has struggled.... I'd say overall we should be pretty Happy for such a young team and lots of parts that were put together.. it can only get better with experience. I can't wait to see what Tippett and Holland do with some salary cap in the future. As I said earlier, I'm not anti-Tippett. He's done a lot of good things with thus roster but does that mean he's perfect and beyond being questioned? I'm also not anti-Koskinen (apparently unlike some others). We've seen flashes of how good he can be. I just ask, why after a good/great performance, does he lose the net for long stretches? How can that be good for his confidence? Could/would he be better (more consistent) if he were allowed to get on a roll? Not for ten straight, but at least keep his place in rotation after a good performance? I'm not anti-Bear or Bouch... just seemed odd to have an all rookie pairing (with one on his off side) against the most offensive team in the league. Why the apparent stubbornness re: the dynamite line? To sum up, I'm not calling for Tippett's head, just bringing into question a few observations that I've made recently. I'm not sure if my open question "does anyone think tippett can lead us to a stanley cup?" was the inspiration for this thread 1-bit, but IMO all your questions are reasonable and have likely been thought of, or raised by other folks on this board. Personally, I deliberately raised this question now, not because i think the "sky is falling" after 2 defeats by the leafs, but actually because we are in a relatively healthy and good position atm. I find the best time to ask "what areas can we improve," is when things are going well and weaknesses aren't so obvious. e.g, Its easy to point a finger at Kosko after a bad game as the reason for failure, but when he or smith are lights out, do we pick up flaws in the team as easily? IMO, the oiers are in a good spot atm, but question is; can we better with the personnel we have? If the answer is no then the coach is doing all he can do, if the answer is yes then it means the coach is not getting the max from his team and IMO Tipp isnt get the max from this team. The reason i feel this way is because when the real tests come up, this team is found wanting. They do not/ cannot seem adjust to what the opposition throws at them and they are left looking like a group banging its head against a brick wall (see chicago playins and the latest leafs games). If you believe like i do that chicago is nowhere near our talent level and that the leafs (especially without Mathews and Anderson) are not vastly superior to us then the only real explanation is: we are being out-coached/prepped/planned. Tipp's a proven NHL coach who knows how to work with limited talent and that's his forte, but we are no longer a "limited talent team," we should soon be approaching the status of SC challengers and if not this season then next. To get there we will need an SC-calibre coach, the caps under Boudreau were an elite team but without Trotz, I dont believe they ever make the next step (incidently no idea why they let him go but their loss is the islanders obvious gain). ATM our goaltending is middle of the road and some/many are screaming for a change, well I believe our Coaching is also middling, so why arent we demanding more as well? End of Rant
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 3, 2021 12:49:50 GMT -7
We’re playing Calgary twice, OTT three times, and VAN once over the next 6 games after tonight. We’re gonna do well, and everyone is gonna forget about the TO series until we play TO again lol.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Mar 3, 2021 14:38:29 GMT -7
As I said earlier, I'm not anti-Tippett. He's done a lot of good things with thus roster but does that mean he's perfect and beyond being questioned? I'm also not anti-Koskinen (apparently unlike some others). We've seen flashes of how good he can be. I just ask, why after a good/great performance, does he lose the net for long stretches? How can that be good for his confidence? Could/would he be better (more consistent) if he were allowed to get on a roll? Not for ten straight, but at least keep his place in rotation after a good performance? I'm not anti-Bear or Bouch... just seemed odd to have an all rookie pairing (with one on his off side) against the most offensive team in the league. Why the apparent stubbornness re: the dynamite line? To sum up, I'm not calling for Tippett's head, just bringing into question a few observations that I've made recently. I'm not sure if my open question "does anyone think tippett can lead us to a stanley cup?" was the inspiration for this thread 1-bit, but IMO all your questions are reasonable and have likely been thought of, or raised by other folks on this board. Personally, I deliberately raised this question now, not because i think the "sky is falling" after 2 defeats by the leafs, but actually because we are in a relatively healthy and good position atm. I find the best time to ask "what areas can we improve," is when things are going well and weaknesses aren't so obvious. e.g, Its easy to point a finger at Kosko after a bad game as the reason for failure, but when he or smith are lights out, do we pick up flaws in the team as easily? IMO, the oiers are in a good spot atm, but question is; can we better with the personnel we have? If the answer is no then the coach is doing all he can do, if the answer is yes then it means the coach is not getting the max from his team and IMO Tipp isnt get the max from this team. The reason i feel this way is because when the real tests come up, this team is found wanting. They do not/ cannot seem adjust to what the opposition throws at them and they are left looking like a group banging its head against a brick wall (see chicago playins and the latest leafs games). If you believe like i do that chicago is nowhere near our talent level and that the leafs (especially without Mathews and Anderson) are not vastly superior to us then the only real explanation is: we are being out-coached/prepped/planned. Tipp's a proven NHL coach who knows how to work with limited talent and that's his forte, but we are no longer a "limited talent team," we should soon be approaching the status of SC challengers and if not this season then next. To get there we will need an SC-calibre coach, the caps under Boudreau were an elite team but without Trotz, I dont believe they ever make the next step (incidently no idea why they let him go but their loss is the islanders obvious gain). ATM our goaltending is middle of the road and some/many are screaming for a change, well I believe our Coaching is also middling, so why arent we demanding more as well? End of Rant I don't know about being outcoached/prepped/planned v the Leafs, but we are for sure being outworked, just as we have been in a game or two v Winnipeg. I still see quite a few incidents in games where there appears to be more opposition players in the TV screen when we are attacking, and same again when we are defending. One of the only ways to beat a team who is skill wise better than you is to outwork them. I am not sure that the Oilers actually outwork many teams.......maybe others disagree?
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Post by onebit on Mar 3, 2021 16:14:21 GMT -7
As I said earlier, I'm not anti-Tippett. He's done a lot of good things with thus roster but does that mean he's perfect and beyond being questioned? I'm also not anti-Koskinen (apparently unlike some others). We've seen flashes of how good he can be. I just ask, why after a good/great performance, does he lose the net for long stretches? How can that be good for his confidence? Could/would he be better (more consistent) if he were allowed to get on a roll? Not for ten straight, but at least keep his place in rotation after a good performance? I'm not anti-Bear or Bouch... just seemed odd to have an all rookie pairing (with one on his off side) against the most offensive team in the league. Why the apparent stubbornness re: the dynamite line? To sum up, I'm not calling for Tippett's head, just bringing into question a few observations that I've made recently. I'm not sure if my open question "does anyone think tippett can lead us to a stanley cup?" was the inspiration for this thread 1-bit, but IMO all your questions are reasonable and have likely been thought of, or raised by other folks on this board. Personally, I deliberately raised this question now, not because i think the "sky is falling" after 2 defeats by the leafs, but actually because we are in a relatively healthy and good position atm. I find the best time to ask "what areas can we improve," is when things are going well and weaknesses aren't so obvious. e.g, Its easy to point a finger at Kosko after a bad game as the reason for failure, but when he or smith are lights out, do we pick up flaws in the team as easily? IMO, the oiers are in a good spot atm, but question is; can we better with the personnel we have? If the answer is no then the coach is doing all he can do, if the answer is yes then it means the coach is not getting the max from his team and IMO Tipp isnt get the max from this team. The reason i feel this way is because when the real tests come up, this team is found wanting. They do not/ cannot seem adjust to what the opposition throws at them and they are left looking like a group banging its head against a brick wall (see chicago playins and the latest leafs games). If you believe like i do that chicago is nowhere near our talent level and that the leafs (especially without Mathews and Anderson) are not vastly superior to us then the only real explanation is: we are being out-coached/prepped/planned. Tipp's a proven NHL coach who knows how to work with limited talent and that's his forte, but we are no longer a "limited talent team," we should soon be approaching the status of SC challengers and if not this season then next. To get there we will need an SC-calibre coach, the caps under Boudreau were an elite team but without Trotz, I dont believe they ever make the next step (incidently no idea why they let him go but their loss is the islanders obvious gain). ATM our goaltending is middle of the road and some/many are screaming for a change, well I believe our Coaching is also middling, so why arent we demanding more as well? End of Rant Your question "kind of" inspired the post. I'd been thinking about it since he broke up the DYN line and after the Flames game where we totally let off the gas. We are of like minds. I think Tipp is a very good coach but also wonder if we can take the next step with him. TBH, I didnt like his answer to the question "is it about the cup or making the playoffs". He simply said "make the playoffs" but did not follow with "and push for the cup". It literally "felt" like making the playoffs was a win. For some teams that's true but for this one, I don't see it that way. I don't like the 2 d-man on PP's with a one goal lead and didn't like sitting our top guys for virtually the entire 3rd. Where is the killer instinct that all great teams have? Anyways, as always, just my ONE-BIT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 16:40:54 GMT -7
I'm not sure if my open question "does anyone think tippett can lead us to a stanley cup?" was the inspiration for this thread 1-bit, but IMO all your questions are reasonable and have likely been thought of, or raised by other folks on this board. Personally, I deliberately raised this question now, not because i think the "sky is falling" after 2 defeats by the leafs, but actually because we are in a relatively healthy and good position atm. I find the best time to ask "what areas can we improve," is when things are going well and weaknesses aren't so obvious. e.g, Its easy to point a finger at Kosko after a bad game as the reason for failure, but when he or smith are lights out, do we pick up flaws in the team as easily? IMO, the oiers are in a good spot atm, but question is; can we better with the personnel we have? If the answer is no then the coach is doing all he can do, if the answer is yes then it means the coach is not getting the max from his team and IMO Tipp isnt get the max from this team. The reason i feel this way is because when the real tests come up, this team is found wanting. They do not/ cannot seem adjust to what the opposition throws at them and they are left looking like a group banging its head against a brick wall (see chicago playins and the latest leafs games). If you believe like i do that chicago is nowhere near our talent level and that the leafs (especially without Mathews and Anderson) are not vastly superior to us then the only real explanation is: we are being out-coached/prepped/planned. Tipp's a proven NHL coach who knows how to work with limited talent and that's his forte, but we are no longer a "limited talent team," we should soon be approaching the status of SC challengers and if not this season then next. To get there we will need an SC-calibre coach, the caps under Boudreau were an elite team but without Trotz, I dont believe they ever make the next step (incidently no idea why they let him go but their loss is the islanders obvious gain). ATM our goaltending is middle of the road and some/many are screaming for a change, well I believe our Coaching is also middling, so why arent we demanding more as well? End of Rant I don't know about being outcoached/prepped/planned v the Leafs, but we are for sure being outworked, just as we have been in a game or two v Winnipeg. I still see quite a few incidents in games where there appears to be more opposition players in the TV screen when we are attacking, and same again when we are defending. One of the only ways to beat a team who is skill wise better than you is to outwork them. I am not sure that the Oilers actually outwork many teams.......maybe others disagree? Hard work and effort goes a long way...I look at the Blue jackets roster for the last two or three years and scratch my head...Torts sure finds a way to get people pulling the same direction regardless of skill. I know their struggling this year but in the past.
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