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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 4, 2021 22:56:32 GMT -7
I think in the defense and goaltending department, the Leafs definitely outclass us. Also, they have Jason Spezza and Joe Thornton playing roles that on our team are Jujar Khaira and Gaetan Haas McD-Dra-Nuge-JP(?) vs Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Nylander is pretty even, but after that the Leafs are better. And, you're right about tending and defense and Vesey. And Simmonds. And Hyman. And Kerfoot. As far as depth goes we are the Bonneville salt flats and they are the Marianas trench.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 4, 2021 22:58:25 GMT -7
apparently it's vancouver. they just beat the team that beat us. Pretty horrible night for us. Jets win a 3-pointer, Canucks win, Flames win. Our battle for 1-2 has become a battle for "hope we make it". Yup. sucky night. But this team is still on a 11 and 5 run despite the crushing losses to Toronto. It's gut check time but I'm going to keep the faith. The next 5 or 6 games will tell us if we can make playoffs or not IMO.
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Post by fogolin2 on Mar 4, 2021 22:58:35 GMT -7
Also, they have Jason Spezza and Joe Thornton playing roles that on our team are Jujar Khaira and Gaetan Haas McD-Dra-Nuge-JP(?) vs Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Nylander is pretty even, but after that the Leafs are better. And, you're right about tending and defense and Vesey. And Simmonds. And Hyman. And Kerfoot. As far as depth goes we are the Bonneville salt flats and they are the Marianas trench. I don't even know where he came from but, that Mikhayaev is a goddam beast. We didn't have a single answer for that dude. Reminded me of a young Wayne Simmonds.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 4, 2021 23:04:35 GMT -7
and Vesey. And Simmonds. And Hyman. And Kerfoot. As far as depth goes we are the Bonneville salt flats and they are the Marianas trench. I don't even know where he came from but, that Mikhayaev is a goddam beast. We didn't have a single answer for that dude. Reminded me of a young Wayne Simmonds. The fact that he beat McDavid one on one in a race to the puck is crazy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 4, 2021 23:16:23 GMT -7
I don't even know where he came from but, that Mikhayaev is a goddam beast. We didn't have a single answer for that dude. Reminded me of a young Wayne Simmonds. The fact that he beat McDavid one on one in a race to the puck is crazy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk he did, but if you look back to the start of that "race" the puck got behind Connor and he started skating forward as soon as the puck got by him, while Connor had to turn around first, then start skating from a dead stop. He was blazing fast yes, but in a true race I think Connor takes it handily.
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Post by Marshall Bruce Mathers III on Mar 4, 2021 23:18:28 GMT -7
The fact that he beat McDavid one on one in a race to the puck is crazy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk he did, but if you look back to the start of that "race" the puck got behind Connor and he started skating forward as soon as the puck got by him, while Connor had to turn around first, then start skating from a dead stop. He was blazing fast yes, but in a true race I think Connor takes it handily. Oh no doubt. I’m just saying it was crazy to see. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by GrooveyAsh on Mar 5, 2021 0:40:41 GMT -7
I think in the defense and goaltending department, the Leafs definitely outclass us. Also, they have Jason Spezza and Joe Thornton playing roles that on our team are Jujar Khaira and Gaetan Haas McD-Dra-Nuge-JP(?) vs Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Nylander is pretty even, but after that the Leafs are better. And, you're right about tending and defense That's my assessment of scoring power on the 2 teams as well. And good point on role players.
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Post by pillotte on Mar 5, 2021 10:37:52 GMT -7
The game tomorrow night vs the Flameouts is gonna be tough, hopefully the boys bring their hardhats. Calgary has a new coach (Sutter) and remember the last pasting they got. They'll be trying to impress their new coach so be ready boys!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by onebit on Mar 5, 2021 11:20:46 GMT -7
The game tomorrow night vs the Flameouts is gonna be tough, hopefully the boys bring their hardhats. Calgary has a new coach (Sutter) and remember the last pasting they got. They'll be trying to impress their new coach so be ready boys!!!!!!!!!! It's times like this I wish we had the kind of veteran leadership a Joe Thornton type would bring to our team. The last 3 games won't define this team but how they respond to it now certainly will.
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Post by sharptooth on Mar 5, 2021 11:25:36 GMT -7
The game tomorrow night vs the Flameouts is gonna be tough, hopefully the boys bring their hardhats. Calgary has a new coach (Sutter) and remember the last pasting they got. They'll be trying to impress their new coach so be ready boys!!!!!!!!!! It's times like this I wish we had the kind of veteran leadership a Joe Thornton type would bring to our team. The last 3 games won't define this team but how they respond to it now certainly will. It’s great having mike Smith’s leadership but it would be great to have an experienced leader like Jumbo who is on the bench with the guys during the game.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 5, 2021 14:24:47 GMT -7
Also, they have Jason Spezza and Joe Thornton playing roles that on our team are Jujar Khaira and Gaetan Haas McD-Dra-Nuge-JP(?) vs Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Nylander is pretty even, but after that the Leafs are better. And, you're right about tending and defense That's my assessment of scoring power on the 2 teams as well. And good point on role players. Agree with the 2nd line, 1st line, apart from the "veteran intangibles" IDK,I dont see "The Spezza and Thornton" of today being that good tbh, although i'll admit spezza seems to have a new lease on life and extra speed he didn't have last year. I'd say the Leafs D is marginally better especially since we dont have Klef but their goaltending is as "MEH" as ours, we just made them look good IMO and again i think that came down to vastly superior tactics (ie Coaching). Their depth I agree is better as I'd take that Mickjiev kid and Simmonds any day but what changed from 3 weeks ago when we IMO outplayed them in 3 of the first 4 games? The lineups haven't changed? To me the only answer is that this 3 game set was an anomaly which i dont buy, or Keefe came up with a great plan/tactic that Tipp had no answer to. I Appreciate everyone's take though, It's strange, I must be confused, as I'm usually the skeptic and the idea that I think the oilers are better than they are, or leafs not as good as everyone thinks, is a new one for me LOL!
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Post by onebit on Mar 5, 2021 16:18:51 GMT -7
That's my assessment of scoring power on the 2 teams as well. And good point on role players. Agree with the 2nd line, 1st line, apart from the "veteran intangibles" IDK,I dont see "The Spezza and Thornton" of today being that good tbh, although i'll admit spezza seems to have a new lease on life and extra speed he didn't have last year. I'd say the Leafs D is marginally better especially since we dont have Klef but their goaltending is as "MEH" as ours, we just made them look good IMO and again i think that came down to vastly superior tactics (ie Coaching). Their depth I agree is better as I'd take that Mickjiev kid and Simmonds any day but what changed from 3 weeks ago when we IMO outplayed them in 3 of the first 4 games? The lineups haven't changed? To me the only answer is that this 3 game set was an anomaly which i dont buy, or Keefe came up with a great plan/tactic that Tipp had no answer to. I Appreciate everyone's take though, It's strange, I must be confused, as I'm usually the skeptic and the idea that I think the oilers are better than they are, or leafs not as good as everyone thinks, is a new one for me LOL! Kinda like a game of pool drtaf. Young guys have better eyes, more raw power, more oomph... yet often still get beat by older guys who have experience, wisdom and trickery on their side. EWT is the great equalizer but once the young guys have EWT too, then with all their raw talent they can stomp the geezers into oblivion. Our guys just don't have enough EWT yet. They'll get it, but they would have gotten it faster if we had a guy like Jumbo or Jagr or Spezza or Chara on defense. I know, I know, broken record. I'll be quiet now.
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Post by mrtea on Mar 5, 2021 19:31:36 GMT -7
The elephant in the room that we are missing here is that we are not getting consistent goaltending from either one of our tenders. They are either brilliant or terrible and that affects a teams mojo in a big way. a brilliant goalie can steal a game that a team should have lost, was not seeing any brilliance in any of the leaf games. I know we are all aware of the goaltending issue, so why am I not seeing it mentioned in the last few posts? We need better personnel in two or three positions and then we will be contenders. This year we all know Holland's hands were tied financially, so we have to expect what just happened to us every once in a while. Maybe the team needs this to keep them sharp and competing at a higher level. we should never feel that we are good enough the way we are, we should always strive to be better. I'm not sold that it's goaltending MrTea. Not that a great goalie wouldn't help in most situations but Dominic Hasek wouldn't have saved them these past three games. What I saw was a Leafs team that stood 4 on the line and flat out refused Oiler entry whereas the Oilers practically laid out the red carpet for the Leafs. I saw the Leafs make effortless zone exits. One or two passes and on the attack they went. Often on odd man rushes. The Oilers on the other hand, made 3-5 'D to D' passes often flubbing one which resulted in a d-zone turnover and more Leaf attacking. I saw one team playing at smooth, fluid Lamborghini speed while the other kept popping the clutch on their Honda Accord. For me, the elephant in the room is the lack of killer instinct in this team. Letting off against the Flames, played 7 d-men, playing 2 d-men on PP's in one goal games, sitting your best puck-moving d-man 2/3 games, taking the net away from a goalie that puts in a 40 save performance, refusal to keep a hot line together, refusing to play 2 PP units (except in garbage time). I'm seeing a system that plays "to not lose" which yes, will work against lesser talented teams also trying not to lose but it won't go far against good teams who play to win. As always, just my ONE-BIT. Of course goaltending isn't the only problem, but it is the most important element of this discussion. Three games in a row we got terrible goaltending and it affected team morale just like it would affect any team in the league. For example at the start of the 3rd Leaf game the Oilers swarmed the Toronto zone and got some good shots on net. Then Toronto gets possession and drives into the Oilers zone, creates havoc and then scores. Just like that we're down a goal and Toronto gets pumped up and our guys keep trying while fearing one more turn over could land in the back of our net, then it does exactly that. Now the boys are down 2-0 with only a handful of Leaf shots, again!! Everyone knows that confidence is very important for success in sports. Hockey is a team sport, if the team as a whole is not confident it ripples through the team and can affect coaching decisions also. Cause and effect. When you face a team like the Leafs who are playing a well disciplined team game, you need to also play your best team game. If that team game is not getting goaltending you get behind. Once you get behind you lose confidence and players start to doubt their actions and it is difficult to play a good team game. Goaltending is the only position that can win a game himself if he can play a perfect game. Good goaltending can drag a bad team to a win they didn't deserve.
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Post by AlwaysOil on Mar 5, 2021 20:07:02 GMT -7
It's times like this I wish we had the kind of veteran leadership a Joe Thornton type would bring to our team. The last 3 games won't define this team but how they respond to it now certainly will. It’s great having mike Smith’s leadership but it would be great to have an experienced leader like Jumbo who is on the bench with the guys during the game. Neal? Maybe not as good as Jumbo, but lots of good comments on his leadership.
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Post by drtaf on Mar 6, 2021 11:47:41 GMT -7
Agree with the 2nd line, 1st line, apart from the "veteran intangibles" IDK,I dont see "The Spezza and Thornton" of today being that good tbh, although i'll admit spezza seems to have a new lease on life and extra speed he didn't have last year. I'd say the Leafs D is marginally better especially since we dont have Klef but their goaltending is as "MEH" as ours, we just made them look good IMO and again i think that came down to vastly superior tactics (ie Coaching). Their depth I agree is better as I'd take that Mickjiev kid and Simmonds any day but what changed from 3 weeks ago when we IMO outplayed them in 3 of the first 4 games? The lineups haven't changed? To me the only answer is that this 3 game set was an anomaly which i dont buy, or Keefe came up with a great plan/tactic that Tipp had no answer to. I Appreciate everyone's take though, It's strange, I must be confused, as I'm usually the skeptic and the idea that I think the oilers are better than they are, or leafs not as good as everyone thinks, is a new one for me LOL! Kinda like a game of pool drtaf. Young guys have better eyes, more raw power, more oomph... yet often still get beat by older guys who have experience, wisdom and trickery on their side. EWT is the great equalizer but once the young guys have EWT too, then with all their raw talent they can stomp the geezers into oblivion. Our guys just don't have enough EWT yet. They'll get it, but they would have gotten it faster if we had a guy like Jumbo or Jagr or Spezza or Chara on defense. I know, I know, broken record. I'll be quiet now. I do get this, i was hoping like crazy that we could somehow entice Chara here. I was glad we werent after thornton as i thought he was too old and slow now, but maybe I miscalculated on that
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Post by igibb on Mar 6, 2021 14:00:04 GMT -7
Kinda like a game of pool drtaf. Young guys have better eyes, more raw power, more oomph... yet often still get beat by older guys who have experience, wisdom and trickery on their side. EWT is the great equalizer but once the young guys have EWT too, then with all their raw talent they can stomp the geezers into oblivion. Our guys just don't have enough EWT yet. They'll get it, but they would have gotten it faster if we had a guy like Jumbo or Jagr or Spezza or Chara on defense. I know, I know, broken record. I'll be quiet now. I do get this, i was hoping like crazy that we could somehow entice Chara here. I was glad we werent after thornton as i thought he was too old and slow now, but maybe I miscalculated on that Thornton has missed half the Leafs games so far this season.
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Post by Bronco73 on Mar 6, 2021 16:09:42 GMT -7
F-Bomb tippet!
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Post by drtaf on Mar 6, 2021 16:44:08 GMT -7
Yeah, for the record, I’m still glad we didn’t get/go after thornton
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Post by discostew on Mar 7, 2021 16:35:21 GMT -7
Yeah, for the record, I’m still glad we didn’t get/go after thornton He's getting 750k this year. So it was basically no risk signing. And you get that extra voice in the dressing room.
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Post by happyhappy on Mar 7, 2021 16:44:54 GMT -7
"Feel the heck whatever you want, as long as you channel it the right way." CM Spoken like a leader that will not accept defeat.
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