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Post by toley on Apr 4, 2021 20:03:08 GMT -7
Smith is playing good, Stalock is good insurance. You pick up a goalie for free in the offseason without giving up all those assets. If all our goalies were playing bad it would be a different story Neither Smith or Stalock are long term solutions. They're fine for right now.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 4, 2021 20:03:52 GMT -7
Smith is playing good, Stalock is good insurance. You pick up a goalie for free in the offseason without giving up all those assets. If all our goalies were playing bad it would be a different story We'd still need to find a buyer for Koskinen as well though in that case, which shouldn't be too tough if you almost give him away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 20:07:06 GMT -7
I think Broberg is untouchable and it would have to be absolutely huge for Holland to think about it for more then 2 seconds.
Gibson is a awesome goalie...struggling this year on a bad team. I would not sell the present and future for him...I look 180 miles south at Markstrom and that was a free agent signing. The risk reward is to great to make those gambles... other good capable goalies will present themselves.
I'd rather see us find a couple capable players for 3c and left wing first. Then I would explore free agent goalies or trades for one...I would not chase the blockbuster trade for a goalie. I think Gibson would be too rich of a transaction.
I would not put all my eggs in one basket for Gibson at these prices...you could fill three or four positions making the entire team stronger.
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Post by windsoroiler on Apr 4, 2021 20:14:51 GMT -7
Smith is playing good, Stalock is good insurance. You pick up a goalie for free in the offseason without giving up all those assets. If all our goalies were playing bad it would be a different story We'd still need to find a buyer for Koskinen as well though in that case, which shouldn't be too tough if you almost give him away. puckpedia.com/player/mikko-koskinen/buyout?s=2021-2022
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 4, 2021 20:24:15 GMT -7
I wouldn't even think they'd have to resort to a buyout. He's shown that in limited use he can be a great option. Should be easy to move to a team looking for a solid backup.
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Post by toley on Apr 4, 2021 20:29:25 GMT -7
I wouldn't even think they'd have to resort to a buyout. He's shown that in limited use he can be a great option. Should be easy to move to a team looking for a solid backup. I think he has a modified no move, not sure on the full details on that.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 4, 2021 20:36:48 GMT -7
I wouldn't even think they'd have to resort to a buyout. He's shown that in limited use he can be a great option. Should be easy to move to a team looking for a solid backup. I think he has a modified no move, not sure on the full details on that. It is, he has a 15 team no trade list. But if he sees himself being pushed to the back burner in favor of a new #1 I have a feeling he will be more than happy to oblige a trade
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Post by windsoroiler on Apr 4, 2021 20:38:18 GMT -7
I wouldn't even think they'd have to resort to a buyout. He's shown that in limited use he can be a great option. Should be easy to move to a team looking for a solid backup. Like toley just said PC gave Koss a NMC, it's a 15 team no trade list. May not be easy to move. Not many teams will want to pay 4.5 mil for any backup. We have Stalock signed for next year also at a good AAV. Good numbers so I'm happy with that. So just a week left, not sure we make any big moves. I've learnt and if correct Klef will not be exempt from not having to protect him for the expansion draft. I thought he was exempt being on ltir but I guess not.
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 4, 2021 20:44:03 GMT -7
I wouldn't even think they'd have to resort to a buyout. He's shown that in limited use he can be a great option. Should be easy to move to a team looking for a solid backup. Like toley just said PC gave Koss a NMC, it's a 15 team no trade list. May not be easy to move. Not many teams will want to pay 4.5 mil for any backup. We have Stalock signed for next year also at a good AAV. Good numbers so I'm happy with that. So just a week left, not sure we make any big moves. I've learnt and if correct Klef will not be exempt from not having to protect him for the expansion draft. I thought he was exempt being on ltir but I guess not. I must have gotten my reply in just before this one, I already addressed it lol. I'd rather us retain than buy out, at least it wont last as long
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 4, 2021 21:08:23 GMT -7
Smith is playing good, Stalock is good insurance. You pick up a goalie for free in the offseason without giving up all those assets. If all our goalies were playing bad it would be a different story I hope that we're not hitching our wagon to a 40 year old Smith again. You're right, he's playing great and I like the dude, but I am not comfortable relying on him again next year. Heck, we weren't even relying on him this year...Kosko stumbled and Smith has taken over. Great to see, but not a reliable situation longterm
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 4, 2021 21:13:23 GMT -7
I think Broberg is untouchable and it would have to be absolutely huge for Holland to think about it for more then 2 seconds. Gibson is a awesome goalie...struggling this year on a bad team. I would not sell the present and future for him...I look 180 miles south at Markstrom and that was a free agent signing. The risk reward is to great to make those gambles... other good capable goalies will present themselves. I'd rather see us find a couple capable players for 3c and left wing first. Then I would explore free agent goalies or trades for one...I would not chase the blockbuster trade for a goalie. I think Gibson would be too rich of a transaction. I would not put all my eggs in one basket for Gibson at these prices...you could fill three or four positions making the entire team stronger. I don't know what 180 miles is but you must be talking about Calgary. I totally agree, I am not comfortable 'potentially' upgrading in net while punching multiple holes in the organization. If Gibson exceeds expectations, but there is more ways to lose that trade than there are ways to win it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 1:18:28 GMT -7
I think Broberg is untouchable and it would have to be absolutely huge for Holland to think about it for more then 2 seconds. Gibson is a awesome goalie...struggling this year on a bad team. I would not sell the present and future for him...I look 180 miles south at Markstrom and that was a free agent signing. The risk reward is to great to make those gambles... other good capable goalies will present themselves. I'd rather see us find a couple capable players for 3c and left wing first. Then I would explore free agent goalies or trades for one...I would not chase the blockbuster trade for a goalie. I think Gibson would be too rich of a transaction. I would not put all my eggs in one basket for Gibson at these prices...you could fill three or four positions making the entire team stronger. I don't know what 180 miles is but you must be talking about Calgary. I totally agree, I am not comfortable 'potentially' upgrading in net while punching multiple holes in the organization. If Gibson exceeds expectations, but there is more ways to lose that trade than there are ways to win it. Yes Calgary...lol. all of a sudden Gibson is Lindros in these scenarios. Can you imagine giving all that up to find out he performs here exactly like Koskinen. I imagine the ask would be outrageous as Anaheim is probably expecting for them to be back in the same division next season.
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Post by drtaf on Apr 5, 2021 10:47:47 GMT -7
Maybe you've got a better handle on goalies than I've got. It's too unpredictable of a position, to me....but you might be on to something. I keep saynig we have to stop wasting McD and Drai years, and this would be an aggressive step in that direction. Goaltending is an anomaly, look at Smith. Although, I do like Gibson. I think there is something there. From Oilers Now radio, in February That is most definitely the "I don't want to trade but if KH is stupid enough then sure" price. I do understand the rationale that we need to move on getting a "franchise" goaltender before Drai and McD contracts expire, but how do you know Gibson (or any goalie) is even a franchise goalie? Markstrom was considered franchise and played like it for exactly 1 month now what? Carey Price? Holtby? I could literally name 6 goalies off the top of my head that command $5M+ and were considered "franchise" and are now expensive back-ups. What's maybe crazier is I could also name 6 Goalies making under $3M who were considered "back-ups that are now defacto #1's. Jack Campbell was a throw-in for the leafs but is now trusted more than $5M+ Anderson, Murray in OTT, price in MTL? and that's just the cdn teams. There will be a plethora of goalies on the open market before Kraken get their pick of the litter and we are in the "enviable position" of being able to go after whichever one KH deems is the "franchise" goalie of the future, because he won't give a rat's about leaving smith or Kosk exposed and instead will protect his "chosen" one. Even then, Kh thought Markstrom was the "chosen one" and went hard but instead settled on Smith as a last resort and now Smith's numbers blow Marky's out of the water! So if someone like KH (who I respect) can be so far wrong on that, who's to say he will get it right when it counts, and who knows, Stalock may be the one and like Campbell if given the chance, just may run away with the ball? It's as likely to happen as anything else IMO, so HARD NO on giving up 1st's, Broberg or Bouchard on something that is at best a maybe!
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Post by blackhawk216 on Apr 5, 2021 11:44:13 GMT -7
Smith is playing good, Stalock is good insurance. You pick up a goalie for free in the offseason without giving up all those assets. If all our goalies were playing bad it would be a different story We'd still need to find a buyer for Koskinen as well though in that case, which shouldn't be too tough if you almost give him away. Bronco, we are going to have to give him away, maybe even add a sweetner for another team to take him. Of the top 50 current goalies in the NHL, only 4 have conceded more goals per game than Mikko. If I was a GM, that is one of the first stats I would be looking at........and he is playing on a good, sure to make the play offs team. I wonder what his number of goals conceded would be on a worst team? I realize the Oilers are not renowned for sound defensive play, but Smith I think is probably in the top 10 or 15 goalies for goals conceded per game. That must mean something, right?
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Post by Bronco73 on Apr 5, 2021 11:57:15 GMT -7
We'd still need to find a buyer for Koskinen as well though in that case, which shouldn't be too tough if you almost give him away. Bronco, we are going to have to give him away, maybe even add a sweetner for another team to take him. Of the top 50 current goalies in the NHL, only 4 have conceded more goals per game than Mikko. If I was a GM, that is one of the first stats I would be looking at........and he is playing on a good, sure to make the play offs team. I wonder what his number of goals conceded would be on a worst team? I realize the Oilers are not renowned for sound defensive play, but Smith I think is probably in the top 10 or 15 goalies for goals conceded per game. That must mean something, right? I completely agree and sorry if my post came off as anything other than that. My point was more to say that we won't be moving him to a team looking for a starter, but as a backup if you look at the numbers he could be pretty good.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Apr 5, 2021 12:30:09 GMT -7
Bronco, we are going to have to give him away, maybe even add a sweetner for another team to take him. Of the top 50 current goalies in the NHL, only 4 have conceded more goals per game than Mikko. If I was a GM, that is one of the first stats I would be looking at........and he is playing on a good, sure to make the play offs team. I wonder what his number of goals conceded would be on a worst team? I realize the Oilers are not renowned for sound defensive play, but Smith I think is probably in the top 10 or 15 goalies for goals conceded per game. That must mean something, right? I completely agree and sorry if my post came off as anything other than that. My point was more to say that we won't be moving him to a team looking for a starter, but as a backup if you look at the numbers he could be pretty good. I know where you are going with this Broncs, but as stated by another poster, 4.5m for a back up is a lot to ask, so I am guessing we would either have to eat some of Koskinen's salary, or throw in a prospect or similar. Maybe I have a too negative slant on Mikko, but if 45 of the other top 50 current NHL goalies have better goals per game conceded, I don't think I have. And to think we are paying the 46th best goalie 4.5m per? Thanks a lot PC. (What was he thinking)?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 19:06:44 GMT -7
Mike Smith is the new Gordie Howe...He still has 10 years left in him.
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Post by fogolin2 on Apr 6, 2021 19:28:28 GMT -7
Mike Smith is the new Gordie Howe...He still has 10 years left in him. Goalie Howe
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Post by windsoroiler on Apr 7, 2021 8:19:39 GMT -7
I wonder what it would take to get Carter Hart.
I would do Nuge for Hart assuming Flyers can sign him. I'm in the trade Nuge now camp if he's going to play hardball. This would give us another 5 mil in cap this year to pull off another trade.
It's one way to make a splash...
Hart is from Edmonton if you want to be sentimental
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Post by drtaf on Apr 7, 2021 10:46:29 GMT -7
He definitely counts as a warm body, i'm shifting towards trading Nuge if we can get that kind of return back. besides, we'd then have 3 HARTs on the team, you'd think we should be able to win some games with that!!
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