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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 16:50:46 GMT -7
With Nurse being from Ontario it amazes me how the population and media out east have nothing good to say about Nurse and this contract will handcuff the Oilers? Oh did you also know because of this deal McDavid and Draisaitl will both be gone because of it?
1. If Nurse wanted out or became available these same disgruntled people would be first inline talking about it is almost as a guarantee he will be a Leaf and to plan the Stanley cup parade! They'd be pumping the contract value that he is Norris material after all.
2. Why is it every player move we make, if we do not make the playoffs, if we don't succeed in the playoffs or if it rains in Edmonton our eastern foes are almost certain this will be the cause for Connor especially to bolt from the franchise? It must really bother them three former Leaf's have jumped ship to the Oilers...I bet Barrie's success last year has them on Xanax...will they be jumping from bridges if Hyman and Ceci follow that success? we can only Hope!
3. Keep comparing Matthews to Mcdavid...the world knows who the best player is and it's a crying shame to make this comparison as Matthews is not in his shadow he is in Leons shadow!
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Post by mrtea on Aug 8, 2021 3:53:29 GMT -7
Yes, Connors and Leons are also stupid. It isn't the money so much as the gauranteed signing bonuses. You cannot buy these guys out. The league should not allow such contracts. Yuke, you are overreacting by saying McDavid's and Draisaitl's contracts are stupid and cannot be bought out. First is that buying out a contract is the last resort to a bad contract. Second is that these are not bad contracts because every other team in the league would find a way to have cap room to take on these contracts. We could easily trade them to some other team. Players have the option of waiving the no trade clause to go to a team they want to go to. Nurse's contract kicks in next season, not this upcoming season and yet you stated in an earlier post that you would prefer to trade Nurse if Broberg and Bouchard turn into good Dmen. Again overreacting. You have not seen Nurse play this upcoming season yet or next or for that matter exactly how Broberg and Bouchard will do in the next few years, yet you are planning on trading him as if you know Nurse will fail. You don't know that Yuke, but it doesn't stop you from overreacting. I don't know the future either Yuke, but I'm going to wait and see how things pan out over the next few years. I do know that even though it was expensive Holland did the right thing by locking up Nurse for his prime years. Yes it was more than I wanted to pay, but that is the reality created by other GM's locking up their players. Going forward we now have our core players locked up for the so called "window of opportunity" to win a cup.
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Post by south on Aug 8, 2021 8:50:23 GMT -7
My initial shock to the Nurse contract was shock at the annual cap hit, not the term. After a few days of reflection, I am now of the belief KH made a deal that should stabilize our D for almost a decade. Nurse is legitimately a #1 Dman who is capable of being in the top 10 Dmen in the league every year. Those types of players are in demand and well compensated. The flat salary cap will not remain static forever. Nurse is a two way player capible of playing a shutdown role, breaking up the cycle,jumping into the offence, relishing the physical game, dropping the gloves, providing leadership, blocking shots and still young enough that his game can still improve. No one else on our D is that versatile. He skates well enough that he can log ridiculous amounts of icetime without sacrificing quality.The more I think about what Nurse brings every night, the more I believe the Oilers made the right move with the size of the contract extension.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 8, 2021 9:18:28 GMT -7
This is bitter sweet. I like Nurse and glad he signed long term. I just don't understand how these players can justify this type of pay. The agents are little more than blood sucking leeches and are wrecking the game. GM's should do a double take on all the buy-out contracts. Holland is handing out money like halloween candy. Right now the Oilers are paying about $4.5 mil for absolutely nothing (penalties) and are currently over the cap. I still think the team is better than it was but the contracts are too high. Hyman should accepted a contract in line with RNH. Nurse should not be getting more than Draisaitl. Pressure is now on and he just sat down under a microscope. He will need to be a beast out there. The players don't have to justify it, they are the products being sold. It's the buyers who set the prices. Hyman was going to get that money, and I'm happy that he got it from us. And, it is in line with RNH's deal. Hyman is worth a bit more, and is getting a bit more. Draisatl being paid under market value doesn't effect Nurse's value. It's like comparing Werenski's deal to Victor Hedman....it's just not how the market works.
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Aug 8, 2021 9:59:03 GMT -7
This is bitter sweet. I like Nurse and glad he signed long term. I just don't understand how these players can justify this type of pay. The agents are little more than blood sucking leeches and are wrecking the game. GM's should do a double take on all the buy-out contracts. Holland is handing out money like halloween candy. Right now the Oilers are paying about $4.5 mil for absolutely nothing (penalties) and are currently over the cap. I still think the team is better than it was but the contracts are too high. Hyman should accepted a contract in line with RNH. Nurse should not be getting more than Draisaitl. Pressure is now on and he just sat down under a microscope. He will need to be a beast out there. The players don't have to justify it, they are the products being sold. It's the buyers who set the prices. Hyman was going to get that money, and I'm happy that he got it from us. And, it is in line with RNH's deal. Hyman is worth a bit more, and is getting a bit more. Draisatl being paid under market value doesn't effect Nurse's value. It's like comparing Werenski's deal to Victor Hedman....it's just not how the market works. I thought having McD some players would accept discounts to come to Edmonton. It's not always just about market value, many players do accept discounts to stay with a good team. If everyone on the Tampa Bay Lightning was getting paid market value, the team would not be as talented as it is today. In a cap era, teams can become trapped with too many great players unwilling to accept discounts (Toronto) which can affect your chances winning the cup.
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 8, 2021 10:00:34 GMT -7
They are all overpaid period.
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Post by pillotte on Aug 8, 2021 10:36:58 GMT -7
They are all overpaid period. I agree, but who's fault is it?
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Post by mrtea on Aug 8, 2021 10:42:04 GMT -7
They are all overpaid period. Yes, they are all overpaid. The league minimum for 2021-22 will be $750,000 and that is too much for the average person to be considered reasonable. Pro sports across the board have ridiculous salaries because the owners make ridiculous profits. Most average people if asked would agree that pro sports salaries are out of control. Now what do we do about it? 1. Quit watching sports? 2. Complain about it? 3. Protest outside arenas and sports stadiums? 4.Quit buying merchandise and sports subscriptions? 5.Complain about it on websites? 6.Try to become a sports athlete and get some of that money for yourself? 7.Start watching movies instead of sports and complain about how much actors make? 8.Accept it as the way things are and continue on? These are a few options, I'm sure there are many more.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 8, 2021 11:25:20 GMT -7
They are all overpaid period. I agree, but who's fault is it? It's ours. We are the glacier of money, where the rivers of money flow from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 12:50:11 GMT -7
They are all overpaid period. No doubt about it, I'm glad I was younger when the WHA came here and of course the Oil Kings... Me ,my brother and friends could afford to go to the games. It seemed more about the game back then. I went to a game in 2020 Oil Vs Rangers and when it was over felt like I had been at a rock concert. Every stop in the action the PA was blaring and you had trouble talking to the person next to you. I don't know maybe I'm old... people used to go to be there to witness the game, now people are almost there for the social event...we were laughing about groups of people in circles all on there phones while the game was on. The world is a different place. I pretty much quit going to games after 2008 as the atmosphere and pricing just seemed out of touch.
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 8, 2021 13:01:37 GMT -7
They are all overpaid period. No doubt about it, I'm glad I was younger when the WHA came here and of course the Oil Kings... Me ,my brother and friends could afford to go to the games. It seemed more about the game back then. I went to a game in 2020 Oil Vs Rangers and when it was over felt like I had been at a rock concert. Every stop in the action the PA was blaring and you had trouble talking to the person next to you. I don't know maybe I'm old... people used to go to be there to witness the game, now people are almost there for the social event...we were laughing about groups of people in circles all on there phones while the game was on. The world is a different place. I pretty much quit going to games after 2008 as the atmosphere and pricing just seemed out of touch. It would be nice if they could make it affordable for a family to go to the games. It’s way too expensive to take the whole family for most people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 13:13:32 GMT -7
No doubt about it, I'm glad I was younger when the WHA came here and of course the Oil Kings... Me ,my brother and friends could afford to go to the games. It seemed more about the game back then. I went to a game in 2020 Oil Vs Rangers and when it was over felt like I had been at a rock concert. Every stop in the action the PA was blaring and you had trouble talking to the person next to you. I don't know maybe I'm old... people used to go to be there to witness the game, now people are almost there for the social event...we were laughing about groups of people in circles all on there phones while the game was on. The world is a different place. I pretty much quit going to games after 2008 as the atmosphere and pricing just seemed out of touch. It would be nice if they could make it affordable for a family to go to the games. It’s way too expensive to take the whole family for most people. Yeah sounds like were both regulated to be tier 2 fans because of pricing
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Post by mrtea on Aug 8, 2021 14:05:26 GMT -7
No doubt about it, I'm glad I was younger when the WHA came here and of course the Oil Kings... Me ,my brother and friends could afford to go to the games. It seemed more about the game back then. I went to a game in 2020 Oil Vs Rangers and when it was over felt like I had been at a rock concert. Every stop in the action the PA was blaring and you had trouble talking to the person next to you. I don't know maybe I'm old... people used to go to be there to witness the game, now people are almost there for the social event...we were laughing about groups of people in circles all on there phones while the game was on. The world is a different place. I pretty much quit going to games after 2008 as the atmosphere and pricing just seemed out of touch. It would be nice if they could make it affordable for a family to go to the games. It’s way too expensive to take the whole family for most people. Yes, all joking aside you are definitely right about that. I know I'll never be able to afford to splurge by going to an NHL game in the near future or maybe even quite a few years. I really wish it was different, but here we are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 15:16:53 GMT -7
It would be nice if they could make it affordable for a family to go to the games. It’s way too expensive to take the whole family for most people. Yes, all joking aside you are definitely right about that. I know I'll never be able to afford to splurge by going to an NHL game in the near future or maybe even quite a few years. I really wish it was different, but here we are. This sounds like a rally cry to Oilers management...100 members on the message board all invited to one free game in one section...we could all meet and greet. Wouldn't that be awesome! what great marketing for them and the coverage they'd get...they could give us all free Jersey's with are board names on the back?
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 8, 2021 15:57:27 GMT -7
Yes, all joking aside you are definitely right about that. I know I'll never be able to afford to splurge by going to an NHL game in the near future or maybe even quite a few years. I really wish it was different, but here we are. This sounds like a rally cry to Oilers management...100 members on the message board all invited to one free game in one section...we could all meet and greet. Wouldn't that be awesome! what great marketing for them and the coverage they'd get...they could give us all free Jersey's with are board names on the back? A free beer would be great as well cause there as expensive as the tickets and jerseys lol. That would certainly be a fun night though. We would probably have a few scraps among some of our members lol.
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 8, 2021 15:59:59 GMT -7
It would be nice if they could make it affordable for a family to go to the games. It’s way too expensive to take the whole family for most people. Yes, all joking aside you are definitely right about that. I know I'll never be able to afford to splurge by going to an NHL game in the near future or maybe even quite a few years. I really wish it was different, but here we are. I would love to be able to take my wife and two kids to a game one of theses years. It’s just very expensive by the time I travel, hotel, tickets, food etc. Maybe this winter. I think it’s going to be very hard to get tickets even with a full stadium. People are excited to get out and do this type of thing.
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Post by fogolin2 on Aug 8, 2021 17:27:48 GMT -7
Yes, all joking aside you are definitely right about that. I know I'll never be able to afford to splurge by going to an NHL game in the near future or maybe even quite a few years. I really wish it was different, but here we are. This sounds like a rally cry to Oilers management...100 members on the message board all invited to one free game in one section...we could all meet and greet. Wouldn't that be awesome! what great marketing for them and the coverage they'd get...they could give us all free Jersey's with are board names on the back? My jersey would be the best one.
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Post by mrtea on Aug 8, 2021 18:10:55 GMT -7
Yes, all joking aside you are definitely right about that. I know I'll never be able to afford to splurge by going to an NHL game in the near future or maybe even quite a few years. I really wish it was different, but here we are. This sounds like a rally cry to Oilers management...100 members on the message board all invited to one free game in one section...we could all meet and greet. Wouldn't that be awesome! what great marketing for them and the coverage they'd get...they could give us all free Jersey's with are board names on the back? That truly would be awesome, but I probably couldn't afford the flight from New Brunswick and then a couple of nights in a hotel. I love the concept though!!
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Post by yuke on Aug 8, 2021 18:49:03 GMT -7
Yuke, you are overreacting by saying McDavid's and Draisaitl's contracts are stupid and cannot be bought out. First is that buying out a contract is the last resort to a bad contract. Second is that these are not bad contracts because every other team in the league would find a way to have cap room to take on these contracts. We could easily trade them to some other team. Players have the option of waiving the no trade clause to go to a team they want to go to. Nurse's contract kicks in next season, not this upcoming season and yet you stated in an earlier post that you would prefer to trade Nurse if Broberg and Bouchard turn into good Dmen. Again overreacting. You have not seen Nurse play this upcoming season yet or next or for that matter exactly how Broberg and Bouchard will do in the next few years, yet you are planning on trading him as if you know Nurse will fail. You don't know that Yuke, but it doesn't stop you from overreacting. I don't know the future either Yuke, but I'm going to wait and see how things pan out over the next few years. I do know that even though it was expensive Holland did the right thing by locking up Nurse for his prime years. Yes it was more than I wanted to pay, but that is the reality created by other GM's locking up their players. Going forward we now have our core players locked up for the so called "window of opportunity" to win a cup. You have failed to see my point. If you want a team to compete continuously, the old players must be replaced with the new talent. It isn't an over reaction it is the truth. Why do you think Nurse or any others ask for the later years to be high in signing bonuses instead of their first years. It is a great deal for the player, if their play drops from an injury or personal reasons, the pay still comes in and a buyout is useless. Stupid way of doing business and yes I know Holland was forced into it because of other stupid managers
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Post by sharptooth on Aug 8, 2021 18:53:46 GMT -7
This sounds like a rally cry to Oilers management...100 members on the message board all invited to one free game in one section...we could all meet and greet. Wouldn't that be awesome! what great marketing for them and the coverage they'd get...they could give us all free Jersey's with are board names on the back? That truly would be awesome, but I probably couldn't afford the flight from New Brunswick and then a couple of nights in a hotel. I love the concept though!! We would all pitch in
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