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Post by windsoroiler on Jan 28, 2022 12:11:02 GMT -7
Games playes might have been some of the reason he picked here too. We have 5 more games then Florida left. More chance for him to get more points and 5 more game cheques cause I assume thats how his pay works he gets 43/82 of his salary. And all of the signing bonus. In Florida he would have got 37/82. Im hoping playing San Jose was 1 reason lol. I thought that too. I don't think it's about the games left, it goes by number of days left in the season. From what I seen it's a 200 day season, there's 93ish days left.
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Post by igibb on Jan 28, 2022 12:16:32 GMT -7
He signed for $750,000 salary and $625,000 signing bonus. The difference in his take home pay between here and Florida based on this is $100,000 less so he wasn't exactly deciding between saving his financial situation or not. I believe he gets roughly half of that 750k base salary (he is playing basically half a season, we have around 93 days left out of a 200 day season) 625k+349k= 974k. May be wrong, a bit confusing. Either way it's 974k or 1.3 mil. No I am pretty sure he gets it all that's why the cap hit is prorated to $2.1 million. $750,000(1/2 a season)+$750,000(1/2 a season) +$625,000 = $2,125000. If his yearly salary was $750,000 then his cap his would have only been $1,375,000.
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Post by windsoroiler on Jan 28, 2022 12:22:12 GMT -7
And the current roster cap. Again not sure why the difference between capfriendly and puck pedia
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Post by igibb on Jan 28, 2022 12:25:29 GMT -7
I would guess because Puckpedia doesn't understand it. How do they think the league gets to a $2.1 million dollar cap hit if his total full season salary and bonuses is only $1.375?
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Post by discostew on Jan 28, 2022 12:34:23 GMT -7
The cap hit is 750k plus double the signing bonus. Cause he gets all the signing honus the cap has to he double
625 ×2 plus 750 is the 2.05.
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Post by discostew on Jan 28, 2022 12:37:13 GMT -7
The benefit of the signing bonue to Kane of course is that he gets 650k cash asap.
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Post by igibb on Jan 28, 2022 12:40:59 GMT -7
The cap hit is 750k plus double the signing bonus. Cause he gets all the signing honus the cap has to he double 625 ×2 plus 750 is the 2.05. But his cap hit according to cap friendly is over $2.1 million so those numbers don't add up either. Someone's got it wrong somewhere not that it matters that much. My point was he didn't turn down a bunch of cash by signing here over Florida due to the taxes. If he is only getting half his salary it's just over $80,000
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Post by windsoroiler on Jan 28, 2022 12:41:40 GMT -7
I would guess because Puckpedia doesn't understand it. How do they think the league gets to a $2.1 million dollar cap hit if his total full season salary and bonuses is only $1.375? I don't know, maybe they got it wrong but they are suppose to be very good at what they do. Interesting to find out what the actual $ amount is. To learn from. Not sure if the LTIR plays any part in it compared to other teams. For us it's dollar in, dollar out.
974k actual paid dollars (we've played actually 107 days (from yesterday when he was signed) out of the 200 day season)
974k / 93 days left in the season
$10.473 salary per day x 200 days: 2.094 million cap if he played the whole year.
If he signed his contract after 5pm yesterday then his actual salary drops to 970k and both puckpedia and capfriendly have the cap hit right at 2.108 million
I'm probably correct now after doing some figuring, just for sh*ts and giggles. Or I'm totally wrong and capfriendly has it right at the 1.375 mil.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jan 28, 2022 12:55:38 GMT -7
I'm guessing there wasn't 10 teams interested, as the only place I heard that was from his agent. Also, he's broke. Our $2.1m offer would have been the top dollars available. Did you listen to his interview? After tax here compared to either Tampa or Florida (very low taxes) are you sure he took the top dollars available? Or did he choose here to play for his future and next contract? Like Barrie did. Playing a lesser role in Florida is not the best way to showcase yourself. Off the ice there's more distractions/trouble to get into in big US cities compared to Edmonton as well. Less temptation, to focus on hockey. Top 6 with McD or Drai then who knows, he could be a 7-8 million dollar player again. Maybe there was less interest than thought but he did say several teams were in the presser. His net pay is 974k to play the rest of the year. Nothing earth shattering. Igibb just posted it's 1.375 million and it says that at cap friendly. Puck pedia has it at 974k total. Not sure which one is right. Neither of us knows if there was other teams involved or what their offers were. We do know that 3 teams consecutively couldn't wait to get this awesome player OFF their teams. I'm not going to say much about it. We got a good hockey player. Lets see how it unfolds.
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Post by windsoroiler on Jan 28, 2022 13:08:38 GMT -7
Did you listen to his interview? After tax here compared to either Tampa or Florida (very low taxes) are you sure he took the top dollars available? Or did he choose here to play for his future and next contract? Like Barrie did. Playing a lesser role in Florida is not the best way to showcase yourself. Off the ice there's more distractions/trouble to get into in big US cities compared to Edmonton as well. Less temptation, to focus on hockey. Top 6 with McD or Drai then who knows, he could be a 7-8 million dollar player again. Maybe there was less interest than thought but he did say several teams were in the presser. His net pay is 974k to play the rest of the year. Nothing earth shattering. Igibb just posted it's 1.375 million and it says that at cap friendly. Puck pedia has it at 974k total. Not sure which one is right. Neither of us knows if there was other teams involved or what their offers were. We do know that 3 teams consecutively couldn't wait to get this awesome player OFF their teams. I'm not going to say much about it. We got a good hockey player. Lets see how it unfolds.
Not going to say much about it either. Just to maybe defend Kane, pretty boy Karlsson is no angel. He had issues with Hoffman in Ottawa before going to SJ if you recall. Not going to dive any further but Karlsson has a track record also. They didn't get along that's fine but that does not mean it's all on Kane. He is also a man of color in the NHL, we've seen all kinds of crap with that, even last weekend in the ECHL. No room for that in hockey.
part 2 of his tsn interview, link above
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Post by AlwaysOil on Jan 28, 2022 13:13:47 GMT -7
One negative I can see with his on-ice…the refs.
I can easily see Edmonton getting more penalties just based on reputation of the player, ‘cause that’s how the game is managed.
I still see him being a great addition.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 28, 2022 14:30:49 GMT -7
So what do you guys think? I don't think he can be sent down if he under performs due to his NMC. To me it's simple, to continue to have an NHL career he will have to focus on hockey. He's 30, he has custody of his young child. So yeah it should ground him more and it's time to grow up. Hope he becomes a better team player, there is no I in team
Again it always gets mentioned how Edmonton is not a desirable (and canada for that matter) location yet we landed another good player. Top teams were interested. So why did Kane choose Edmonton? Sure you have McD and Drai as reasons, could it be because he will get top minutes here vs uncertainty (3rd line minutes) on another team? He's going to be under the microscope here whereas elsewhere he would have more of a private life. In a city where a player can blend in when in public vs here sticking out in public. I understand why he would choose Edmonton and do not understand at the same time.
The presser with KH and EV starts anytime now, 9AM MT. Maybe we will get some answers.
I'm guessing there wasn't 10 teams interested, as the only place I heard that was from his agent. Also, he's broke. Our $2.1m offer would have been the top dollars available. Well we know (from TV journalists sources at least 6 teams made phone calls about him)....Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida. Whatever thoughts there are about Kane's off ice antics...........on the ice, he would be a major assett to most teams so why you are casting doubt on interest in Kane only you know. He will be the best LW that McDavid has had ever....FACT!
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Post by drtaf on Jan 28, 2022 14:33:55 GMT -7
One negative I can see with his on-ice…the refs. I can easily see Edmonton getting more penalties just based on reputation of the player, ‘cause that’s how the game is managed. I still see him being a great addition. I think it could go either way? You look at A-holes like turtle and Marchand and they draw the most penalties in the league and a lot more than they take? The toughest part for him is, I'm sure there will be lots of goading by opposing players and whether he can channel that into positive or negatives for the team. I guess we're gonna find out??
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 28, 2022 14:36:51 GMT -7
Did you listen to his interview? After tax here compared to either Tampa or Florida (very low taxes) are you sure he took the top dollars available? Or did he choose here to play for his future and next contract? Like Barrie did. Playing a lesser role in Florida is not the best way to showcase yourself. Off the ice there's more distractions/trouble to get into in big US cities compared to Edmonton as well. Less temptation, to focus on hockey. Top 6 with McD or Drai then who knows, he could be a 7-8 million dollar player again. Maybe there was less interest than thought but he did say several teams were in the presser. His net pay is 974k to play the rest of the year. Nothing earth shattering. Igibb just posted it's 1.375 million and it says that at cap friendly. Puck pedia has it at 974k total. Not sure which one is right. He signed for $750,000 salary and $625,000 signing bonus. The difference in his take home pay between here and Florida based on this is $100,000 less so he wasn't exactly deciding between saving his financial situation or not. Kane is trying to rectify his career, and the Oilers are trying to rectify their season and play off hopes.....what is your problem with that? And as I mentioned in my response to another doubting poster Fogolin, Kane is without doubt the best LW that McDavid has played with since his first game with the Oilers. We should give the guy a chance without bickering on his salary or motives or off ice antics. Lets just sit back and hope this works out for our team. I don't know what offers he had, but we are paying him something along the lines of what we were paying Alex Chiasson.................point proven there I think that this is a decent (risk free) move for the Oilers.
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Post by fogolin2 on Jan 28, 2022 15:58:09 GMT -7
I'm guessing there wasn't 10 teams interested, as the only place I heard that was from his agent. Also, he's broke. Our $2.1m offer would have been the top dollars available. Well we know (from TV journalists sources at least 6 teams made phone calls about him)....Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida. Whatever thoughts there are about Kane's off ice antics...........on the ice, he would be a major assett to most teams so why you are casting doubt on interest in Kane only you know. He will be the best LW that McDavid has had ever....FACT! Calls? Were there offers? League minimum? The reason I cast doubt on it is because he is the quality of player you say he is, and yet the only 3 teams in is NHL career couldn't wait to get rid of him. He was Jack Eichel's best winger. By far the best LW in the San Jose system. 30gt scorer for the Jets. These type players get a long leash, and yet... The fact that only 6 teams called tells me what I need to know. Whatever, this is how we can get a good player so it's worth a shot.
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Post by Bronco73 on Jan 28, 2022 17:30:50 GMT -7
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Post by FloridaAltFan on Jan 28, 2022 18:48:36 GMT -7
I'll welcome Kane because he is an Oiler now. Fan of the player, not a fan on the person. Hopefully he is done with his antics and keeps any BS far far away from our locker room. Stoked to see what he can bring to our top 6. Our colorful team just got a whole lot more character, for better or for worse. Welcome to the Oilers Evander!! I agree. It seems like he's going into a bit of a continuous meltdown and rebels again'st any authority figure. I'm sure the Oilers will keep a close eye on the situation as it evolves.
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Post by yuke on Jan 28, 2022 19:38:06 GMT -7
I'm guessing there wasn't 10 teams interested, as the only place I heard that was from his agent. Also, he's broke. Our $2.1m offer would have been the top dollars available. Well we know (from TV journalists sources at least 6 teams made phone calls about him)....Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida. Whatever thoughts there are about Kane's off ice antics...........on the ice, he would be a major assett to most teams so why you are casting doubt on interest in Kane only you know. He will be the best LW that McDavid has had ever....FACT! Draisaitl would be the best left winger McDavid ever had but Kane is going to improve this team immensely.
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 28, 2022 22:02:26 GMT -7
Well we know (from TV journalists sources at least 6 teams made phone calls about him)....Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida. Whatever thoughts there are about Kane's off ice antics...........on the ice, he would be a major assett to most teams so why you are casting doubt on interest in Kane only you know. He will be the best LW that McDavid has had ever....FACT! Calls? Were there offers? League minimum? The reason I cast doubt on it is because he is the quality of player you say he is, and yet the only 3 teams in is NHL career couldn't wait to get rid of him. He was Jack Eichel's best winger. By far the best LW in the San Jose system. 30gt scorer for the Jets. These type players get a long leash, and yet... The fact that only 6 teams called tells me what I need to know. Whatever, this is how we can get a good player so it's worth a shot. Agreed Fogs, definately worth a shot and for sure if only for the rest of the season, an absolutely risk free investment.....and I didn't say only six teams phoned about him, from what I have seen on TV and various reports it was a minimum of six teams, could easily have been 10 that phoned about him, and if there was no interest from the teams at the cheap price he has agreed to sign for, why make the calls in the first place? We have got a bargain, and a big addition to the team at roughly what we were paying the likes of Alex Chisasson. What is the problem? If nothing else, it will give the Edmonton City sports "journalists" (note the apostrophes) a reason to say "we told you this would happen" if Kane blows up again. .
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Post by blackhawk216 on Jan 28, 2022 22:07:16 GMT -7
Well we know (from TV journalists sources at least 6 teams made phone calls about him)....Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida. Whatever thoughts there are about Kane's off ice antics...........on the ice, he would be a major assett to most teams so why you are casting doubt on interest in Kane only you know. He will be the best LW that McDavid has had ever....FACT! Draisaitl would be the best left winger McDavid ever had but Kane is going to improve this team immensely. OK yuke, have it your way, I will adjust my comment by saying Kane will be the best LW that McDavid has had that has not weakened the second line.......in fact it now strengthens the second line as it frees up RNH to vacate his spot on the first line. Also, with all due respect to Leon.............Kane brings other weapons that Leon does not.....toughness, the ability to ride shotgun for Connor, not to mention he can fight with the best of them..........and is somewhat of an unknown quantity and perhaps a bit quicker than Leon. So again, with all due respect to Leon, I don't fully agree with you from a team viewpoint......but I can see why you would have that opinion.
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