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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 14, 2023 12:24:11 GMT -7
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 14, 2023 12:30:20 GMT -7
I watched him closely against us and Calgary and wasn't impressed. Small sample size, but he better be cheap.... Not an upgrade on Kulak in my eyes.
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 14, 2023 12:34:30 GMT -7
I hope we don't do this. I don't think EK is the piece we need.
What the Oilers could be looking at giving up to get Erik Karlsson @justherefornhl: Oilers Now host Bob Stauffer suggested it could take something like a 2023 first-round pick, Evan Bouchard, Xavier Bourgault and two contracts with one likely being Tyson Barrie for Karlsson… “You would have to think Barrie, Bouchard, Bourgault would be part of the deal.”
Dustin Nielsen: Stauffer suggests a first, Bouchard, Bourgault, Barrie and Puljujarvi. Five months ago Karlsson appeared to be untradeable and injury prone. Stauffer “is as connected as they come” when it comes to the Oilers Oiler Alert: Chris Johnston on the asking price for Erik Karlsson: “There was a report… that it was going to be three 1st round picks and I’ve been told that’s just not true. I don’t think it’s that high…What dictates it is how much retention there is.”
Oiler Alert: Johnston on who could be interested in Karlsson: “There might be one team where it makes sense to do it before March 3, and that’s Edmonton.”
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 14, 2023 13:42:02 GMT -7
I hope we don't do this. I don't think EK is the piece we need. What the Oilers could be looking at giving up to get Erik Karlsson @justherefornhl: Oilers Now host Bob Stauffer suggested it could take something like a 2023 first-round pick, Evan Bouchard, Xavier Bourgault and two contracts with one likely being Tyson Barrie for Karlsson… “You would have to think Barrie, Bouchard, Bourgault would be part of the deal.” Dustin Nielsen: Stauffer suggests a first, Bouchard, Bourgault, Barrie and Puljujarvi. Five months ago Karlsson appeared to be untradeable and injury prone. Stauffer “is as connected as they come” when it comes to the Oilers Oiler Alert: Chris Johnston on the asking price for Erik Karlsson: “There was a report… that it was going to be three 1st round picks and I’ve been told that’s just not true. I don’t think it’s that high…What dictates it is how much retention there is.” Oiler Alert: Johnston on who could be interested in Karlsson: “There might be one team where it makes sense to do it before March 3, and that’s Edmonton.” I also hope that this does not happen. Another 4 years of $11.5 mil makes no sense for a 32 year old Karlsson. The asking price is way too high if the report is true. The Oilers are the highest scoring team in the league so it's not like an offensive defenseman is what they need. A few years back then maybe. A 28 year old Karlsson, sure. A trade of this nature tells me that they are fine with 3 or 4 goals against per night because they expect to score 5 or 6???
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Post by fogolin2 on Feb 14, 2023 14:13:09 GMT -7
I hope we don't do this. I don't think EK is the piece we need. What the Oilers could be looking at giving up to get Erik Karlsson @justherefornhl: Oilers Now host Bob Stauffer suggested it could take something like a 2023 first-round pick, Evan Bouchard, Xavier Bourgault and two contracts with one likely being Tyson Barrie for Karlsson… “You would have to think Barrie, Bouchard, Bourgault would be part of the deal.” Dustin Nielsen: Stauffer suggests a first, Bouchard, Bourgault, Barrie and Puljujarvi. Five months ago Karlsson appeared to be untradeable and injury prone. Stauffer “is as connected as they come” when it comes to the Oilers Oiler Alert: Chris Johnston on the asking price for Erik Karlsson: “There was a report… that it was going to be three 1st round picks and I’ve been told that’s just not true. I don’t think it’s that high…What dictates it is how much retention there is.” Oiler Alert: Johnston on who could be interested in Karlsson: “There might be one team where it makes sense to do it before March 3, and that’s Edmonton.” I also hope that this does not happen. Another 4 years of $11.5 mil makes no sense for a 32 year old Karlsson. The asking price is way too high if the report is true. The Oilers are the highest scoring team in the league so it's not like an offensive defenseman is what they need. A few years back then maybe. A 28 year old Karlsson, sure. A trade of this nature tells me that they are fine with 3 or 4 goals against per night because they expect to score 5 or 6??? I've said it a hundred times....I'd pay this price for Adam Larsson 2.0 well, not quite this price lol
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Post by windsoroiler on Feb 14, 2023 14:14:47 GMT -7
KH like his older D. We saw this with Keith. If we can get him salary retained in the 3-4 mil range then there is some appeal. We would need a second team to retain as well. Think Gavrikov is the D to target on the cheap, he is just solid and offers little else. Would shore up our second pair. Karlsson would shore up our 2nd pair and then some. The price to pay would be high.
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 14, 2023 14:22:45 GMT -7
KH like his older D. We saw this with Keith. If we can get him salary retained in the 3-4 mil range then there is some appeal. We would need a second team to retain as well. Think Gavrikov is the D to target on the cheap, he is just solid and offers little else. Would shore up our second pair. Karlsson would shore up our 2nd pair and then some. The price to pay would be high. I really don't know anything about Gavrikov. I have noticed that our D are slow and paying a high price for Coffey 2.0 would be worth it.
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Post by toley on Feb 14, 2023 14:50:18 GMT -7
I hope we don't do this. I don't think EK is the piece we need. What the Oilers could be looking at giving up to get Erik Karlsson @justherefornhl: Oilers Now host Bob Stauffer suggested it could take something like a 2023 first-round pick, Evan Bouchard, Xavier Bourgault and two contracts with one likely being Tyson Barrie for Karlsson… “You would have to think Barrie, Bouchard, Bourgault would be part of the deal.” Dustin Nielsen: Stauffer suggests a first, Bouchard, Bourgault, Barrie and Puljujarvi. Five months ago Karlsson appeared to be untradeable and injury prone. Stauffer “is as connected as they come” when it comes to the Oilers Oiler Alert: Chris Johnston on the asking price for Erik Karlsson: “There was a report… that it was going to be three 1st round picks and I’ve been told that’s just not true. I don’t think it’s that high…What dictates it is how much retention there is.” Oiler Alert: Johnston on who could be interested in Karlsson: “There might be one team where it makes sense to do it before March 3, and that’s Edmonton.” I don't see how trading for Karlsson is feasible. I've heard San Jose is only willing to retain 18% and if you get a third team to retain another chunk you're giving up too much, also I think the chances of Karlsson having another season like this are low. At this price why not just go after Chychrun?
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Post by drtaf on Feb 14, 2023 15:02:47 GMT -7
I hope we don't do this. I don't think EK is the piece we need. What the Oilers could be looking at giving up to get Erik Karlsson @justherefornhl: Oilers Now host Bob Stauffer suggested it could take something like a 2023 first-round pick, Evan Bouchard, Xavier Bourgault and two contracts with one likely being Tyson Barrie for Karlsson… “You would have to think Barrie, Bouchard, Bourgault would be part of the deal.” Dustin Nielsen: Stauffer suggests a first, Bouchard, Bourgault, Barrie and Puljujarvi. Five months ago Karlsson appeared to be untradeable and injury prone. Stauffer “is as connected as they come” when it comes to the Oilers Oiler Alert: Chris Johnston on the asking price for Erik Karlsson: “There was a report… that it was going to be three 1st round picks and I’ve been told that’s just not true. I don’t think it’s that high…What dictates it is how much retention there is.” Oiler Alert: Johnston on who could be interested in Karlsson: “There might be one team where it makes sense to do it before March 3, and that’s Edmonton.” I don't see how trading for Karlsson is feasible. I've heard San Jose is only willing to retain 18% and if you get a third team to retain another chunk you're giving up too much, also I think the chances of Karlsson having another season like this are low. At this price why not just go after Chychrun? Rumour is KH asked and McD and Drai are pushing or at least saying they'd love Karlsson if possible. It's also been said KH ran it by Kane to make sure there wasnt any lingering animosity and was told there wasnt? At least this tells me KH is doing his job (seriously). If he isnt at least asking about Karlsson and Chychrun and finding the "nail-down price then he wouldnt be doing his job. whether he pays it is another matter and that's what will define his tenure? I've heard an alternate rumour that there's a trade proposed similar to the one mentioned but swapping Bouch for our 2024 1st rounder? I'd do that TBH as any Karlsson deal has to involve cap retention of min $4M so reality is we get Karlsson for next 4 yrs at $7.5M and we can bridge bouch for another 3yrs at a decent cap hit. This could potentially give us a highly competitive team to and through the resigning of McDrai? Chychrun imo is going to be more difficult in that his contract comes up at exact same time as Leon's and then he will likely be wanting nurse+ money? If he doesnt, then that means he was basically a bust so then what??
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Post by igibb on Feb 14, 2023 15:02:59 GMT -7
If they left out Bourgoult on this proposal I wouldn't hate it tbh, but there's still the idea sharks would have to retain about $3-4M in cap and as everyone and his dog is saying, why would SJ do that for the next 4 yrs It’s being said that Connor and Leon want a puck moving d man instead of a big tough stay at home guy. My issue here is a few things. 1. They obviously are way too focused on Offenes and it shows in their goal differential. They score a lot but do not put up very many more goals then they give up when on the ice. 2. Is it not KH’s job to build this team and not the players. If the players start deciding who they want on the team we might as well forget ever winning a cup. I really am not keen on this move. I do not think Karlson is the right player at this point in time. Very expensive even with money retained which I think is going to further handcuff this team big time. I really don’t think the difference between him and Barrie is that big of a difference. We need someone who can stop the cycle and make life a whole lot tougher to be at our end of the ice then it has been most of this season. Montreal was running circles around us all game. Friedman said the same thing about the players. And I agree who is running this ship? I didn't like the look of coaches having to ask McDavid and Drai if they could put Berlin in for a couple of minutes and I like this even less. Friedman noted during the 32 Thoughts Podcast on Monday that part of the reason GM Ken Holland is likely looking at Karlsson is that word has come from the players that they want a solid puck-moving defenseman who can get them the puck on the fly, not just someone who bangs it off the boards and out of the zone. No one available is as good at that as Karlsson. It’s for that reason that the Oilers aren’t interested in Gavrikov or Joel Edmundson. If Karlsson can’t be acquired because of the complexities of the deal, Shayne Gostisbehere might be a solid backup plan.
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 14, 2023 16:10:30 GMT -7
It’s being said that Connor and Leon want a puck moving d man instead of a big tough stay at home guy. My issue here is a few things. 1. They obviously are way too focused on Offenes and it shows in their goal differential. They score a lot but do not put up very many more goals then they give up when on the ice. 2. Is it not KH’s job to build this team and not the players. If the players start deciding who they want on the team we might as well forget ever winning a cup. I really am not keen on this move. I do not think Karlson is the right player at this point in time. Very expensive even with money retained which I think is going to further handcuff this team big time. I really don’t think the difference between him and Barrie is that big of a difference. We need someone who can stop the cycle and make life a whole lot tougher to be at our end of the ice then it has been most of this season. Montreal was running circles around us all game. Friedman said the same thing about the players. And I agree who is running this ship? I didn't like the look of coaches having to ask McDavid and Drai if they could put Berlin in for a couple of minutes and I like this even less. Friedman noted during the 32 Thoughts Podcast on Monday that part of the reason GM Ken Holland is likely looking at Karlsson is that word has come from the players that they want a solid puck-moving defenseman who can get them the puck on the fly, not just someone who bangs it off the boards and out of the zone. No one available is as good at that as Karlsson. It’s for that reason that the Oilers aren’t interested in Gavrikov or Joel Edmundson. If Karlsson can’t be acquired because of the complexities of the deal, Shayne Gostisbehere might be a solid backup plan. But Gavrikov IS a puck moving Defender. It's literally one of his strengths
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Post by sharptooth on Feb 14, 2023 16:19:07 GMT -7
Isn’t that part of the reason we brought Barrie in? Puck moving/powerplay?
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 14, 2023 16:29:33 GMT -7
This Karlsson chatter has me thinking about Homer Simpson and drunken ideas. They might seem smart at the time, but then you get to see the fallout after.
Like I said in another thread, the Oilers would be better off chasing after Josi who makes $2 mil less. He is the same age, and has a more rounded game. Maybe not available, but if KH is fishing, may as well try out a few different ponds.
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Post by igibb on Feb 14, 2023 16:49:19 GMT -7
Friedman said the same thing about the players. And I agree who is running this ship? I didn't like the look of coaches having to ask McDavid and Drai if they could put Berlin in for a couple of minutes and I like this even less. Friedman noted during the 32 Thoughts Podcast on Monday that part of the reason GM Ken Holland is likely looking at Karlsson is that word has come from the players that they want a solid puck-moving defenseman who can get them the puck on the fly, not just someone who bangs it off the boards and out of the zone. No one available is as good at that as Karlsson. It’s for that reason that the Oilers aren’t interested in Gavrikov or Joel Edmundson. If Karlsson can’t be acquired because of the complexities of the deal, Shayne Gostisbehere might be a solid backup plan. But Gavrikov IS a puck moving Defender. It's literally one of his strengths Every article I have read says he is not a consideration for the Oilers because they are looking for a puck moving defenseman so he must not be that good at it. Everything mentions he is a defensive defenceman whose strengths are being physical, good a breaking up the cycle, shot blocker, strong on the PK. Almost no mention of any offensive upside.
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Post by Bronco73 on Feb 14, 2023 17:31:17 GMT -7
But Gavrikov IS a puck moving Defender. It's literally one of his strengths Every article I have read says he is not a consideration for the Oilers because they are looking for a puck moving defenseman so he must not be that good at it. Everything mentions he is a defensive defenceman whose strengths are being physical, good a breaking up the cycle, shot blocker, strong on the PK. Almost no mention of any offensive upside. ya because the oilers are known to be the foremost experts in scouting correct talents of perspective players lol. I'm not arguing for him because of a puck moving ability, in fact I'm not even arguing for him at all, although I do feel this is the player type we should be targetting. I just know that the Oilers are looking into and expressing interest in him, and that the Jackets have benched him in anticipation of a trade. The thing about Gavrikov though is he is a reliable stay at home defenseman with size and strength who eats minutes and can be relied upon to transition the puck up the ice. He is strong on the defensive side of the ice and is a strong penalty killer. This in my opinion is more what the oilers need. They don't need another small flashy winger disguising himself as a defenseman, we have enough of those causing defensive lapses in our end of the ice. www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/02/vladislav-gavrikov-held-out-for-trade-related-reasons.html"He is physical, defends hard, blocks a ton of shots, and can help any penalty kill. Plus, even though offense isn’t his calling card, he can effectively move the puck out of his end – not just bang it off the glass." unionandblue.com/2023/01/27/six-potential-landing-spots-vladislav-gavrikov-trade-deadline/"He’ll lay out and block shots, does a terrific job using his body to break up time and space or slow an attack, and has just enough skill to move the puck out of the zone with a quick pass."
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Post by toley on Feb 14, 2023 17:33:49 GMT -7
It’s being said that Connor and Leon want a puck moving d man instead of a big tough stay at home guy. My issue here is a few things. 1. They obviously are way too focused on Offenes and it shows in their goal differential. They score a lot but do not put up very many more goals then they give up when on the ice. 2. Is it not KH’s job to build this team and not the players. If the players start deciding who they want on the team we might as well forget ever winning a cup. I really am not keen on this move. I do not think Karlson is the right player at this point in time. Very expensive even with money retained which I think is going to further handcuff this team big time. I really don’t think the difference between him and Barrie is that big of a difference. We need someone who can stop the cycle and make life a whole lot tougher to be at our end of the ice then it has been most of this season. Montreal was running circles around us all game. Friedman said the same thing about the players. And I agree who is running this ship? I didn't like the look of coaches having to ask McDavid and Drai if they could put Berlin in for a couple of minutes and I like this even less. Friedman noted during the 32 Thoughts Podcast on Monday that part of the reason GM Ken Holland is likely looking at Karlsson is that word has come from the players that they want a solid puck-moving defenseman who can get them the puck on the fly, not just someone who bangs it off the boards and out of the zone. No one available is as good at that as Karlsson. It’s for that reason that the Oilers aren’t interested in Gavrikov or Joel Edmundson. If Karlsson can’t be acquired because of the complexities of the deal, Shayne Gostisbehere might be a solid backup plan. I mean sounds like he's just being a good GM and asking players their opinions and taking them in consideration, also works on a game plan as the forwards want the puck up faster. Also in his post game interview, Woodcroft said it was McDavid's idea to put Berlin in the game.
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Post by drtaf on Feb 14, 2023 18:55:20 GMT -7
Friedman said the same thing about the players. And I agree who is running this ship? I didn't like the look of coaches having to ask McDavid and Drai if they could put Berlin in for a couple of minutes and I like this even less. Friedman noted during the 32 Thoughts Podcast on Monday that part of the reason GM Ken Holland is likely looking at Karlsson is that word has come from the players that they want a solid puck-moving defenseman who can get them the puck on the fly, not just someone who bangs it off the boards and out of the zone. No one available is as good at that as Karlsson. It’s for that reason that the Oilers aren’t interested in Gavrikov or Joel Edmundson. If Karlsson can’t be acquired because of the complexities of the deal, Shayne Gostisbehere might be a solid backup plan. I mean sounds like he's just being a good GM and asking players their opinions and taking them in consideration, also works on a game plan as the forwards want the puck up faster. Also in his post game interview, Woodcroft said it was McDavid's idea to put Berlin in the game. I agree, I dont read too much into KH asking his star players for opinions? The team appears to have great chemistry, so if he's contemplating making a "big" move, all players know that means someone has to go out to make room for incoming and he'd be derelict in his duty if he didnt get their thougts on it (especially since he's potentially negotiating their extensions in 2-3 years). Nothings says he has to follow through on what "they" want either? I may not entirely trust his valuation of players and contracts, but his "people skills" appear to be good? The point of my earlier thread is basically: Does acquiring Karlsson significantly increase McDrai's chances of staying? Does acquiring Chychrun decrease it because his contract runs out at same time as Drai? The teams progress and results in next 2 years are undoubtedly going to be most significant factor, but if all things are = and they are contending but maybe not winning, If karlsson is "the guy" McDrai really wanted and KH goes out and does get him, then i think it significantly increases them staying to "finish" the job? JMO
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Post by toley on Feb 14, 2023 19:29:18 GMT -7
I mean sounds like he's just being a good GM and asking players their opinions and taking them in consideration, also works on a game plan as the forwards want the puck up faster. Also in his post game interview, Woodcroft said it was McDavid's idea to put Berlin in the game. I agree, I dont read too much into KH asking his star players for opinions? The team appears to have great chemistry, so if he's contemplating making a "big" move, all players know that means someone has to go out to make room for incoming and he'd be derelict in his duty if he didnt get their thougts on it (especially since he's potentially negotiating their extensions in 2-3 years). Nothings says he has to follow through on what "they" want either? I may not entirely trust his valuation of players and contracts, but his "people skills" appear to be good? The point of my earlier thread is basically: Does acquiring Karlsson significantly increase McDrai's chances of staying? Does acquiring Chychrun decrease it because his contract runs out at same time as Drai? The teams progress and results in next 2 years are undoubtedly going to be most significant factor, but if all things are = and they are contending but maybe not winning, If karlsson is "the guy" McDrai really wanted and KH goes out and does get him, then i think it significantly increases them staying to "finish" the job? JMO I don't think acquiring Chychrun, necessarily hurts Draisaitl or McDavid from staying, depends on Chychrun's performance and can he stay healthy? What if they get Karlsson for the remainder of this year and next gets injured and retires? Maybe you could bridge Chychrun, if the lockroom is good? And who knows what the cap will be the first year Oilers are able to Re-sign Draisaitl? I'm also not betting that Holland will be the Gm to Re-sign either Draisaitl or McDavid, there's lots of variables til then so make a move and you can't worry about 2-3 years into the future. Holland also isn't the type to sell prospects for help now.
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Post by neufab94 on Feb 15, 2023 8:33:30 GMT -7
Specter said on Fan 960 this morning that the Oilers view their needs differently than a couple of months ago. The performance of Broberg and Desharnais has shifted the focus to the forward group. That said, apparently they have mined the Karlsson option to exhaustion and it doesn't look workable. (I say GOOD).
Specter threw out O'REILLY as a target as well as Kane. I think he is just spit-balling but who knows. Apparently the Oilers 1st round pick is on the table, which it should be. As well, pretty much anyone on their farm system is in play.
KH will do whatever he wants and I just hope that he gets it right. I do not have full confidence and am a little sceptical that we are about to see an overpayment for.... someone. I guess overpayment is acceptable if it works.
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Post by sharptooth on Feb 15, 2023 11:50:11 GMT -7
Specter said on Fan 960 this morning that the Oilers view their needs differently than a couple of months ago. The performance of Broberg and Desharnais has shifted the focus to the forward group. That said, apparently they have mined the Karlsson option to exhaustion and it doesn't look workable. (I say GOOD). Specter threw out O'REILLY as a target as well as Kane. I think he is just spit-balling but who knows. Apparently the Oilers 1st round pick is on the table, which it should be. As well, pretty much anyone on their farm system is in play. KH will do whatever he wants and I just hope that he gets it right. I do not have full confidence and am a little sceptical that we are about to see an overpayment for.... someone. I guess overpayment is acceptable if it works. Most often the trade deadline consists of all overpays. I have confidence in KH. I like his patience. I’m fine if he doesn’t do a lot, if he just tinkers a little or goes after a big fish. All I don’t want is a ridiculous overpay which is what i see the teams are asking for a lot of these guys. With some of the prices out there I just don’t see KH getting any of the guys that have been mentioned for quite a while now.
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